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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2009 7:02:58 AM | message detail

The thing is that CT and FFVI are not that closely related to FFVII, especially CT.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2009 7:17:40 AM | message detail

While I don't think FFVI and CT have enough in common for LttP to defeat FFVII, but it does guarantee LttP to come in second.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/11/2009 7:45:11 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | Posted: 3/11/2009 10:02:58 AM | #051
The thing is that CT and FFVI are not that closely related to FFVII, especially CT.

They don't need to be for LTTP to take first place in that match.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/11/2009 7:51:33 AM | message detail

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1664

We're already guaranteed about 28/29% from this poll alone.
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Kamekguy | Posted 3/11/2009 7:55:31 AM | message detail

charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2009 8:06:55 AM | message detail

So what were the biggest snubs in this contest? This is taken from the latest version of the Nomination Tally.

21
(DS) The World Ends With You

19
(PS2) Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 / Persona 3 FES

16
(DS) Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trials and Tribulations

14
(GBA) Mother 3

13
(DS) Elite Beat Agents

12
(N64) WWF No Mercy

11
(GC) Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem

10
(ARC/DC/PS2/XB) Marvel vs. Capcom 2
(PS) Suikoden II
(PS3/X360) Rock Band 2

Funny how TWEWY is the biggest snub based on board 8's nominations. Other snubs include Super Smash Bros., Assassin's Creed, Xenosaga and something from the following series Devil May Cry (my pick for the next NRT), Crash Bandicoot, Tomb Raider, and Guitar Hero.

Overall nothing too important missed it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2009 8:10:03 AM | message detail

KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/11/2009 8:11:45 AM | message detail

No Rock Band or Guitar Hero missing is important imo. But it probably suffered from split noms... Nobody knew which GH or Rock Band to center the noms around.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2009 8:41:38 AM | message detail

I'm surprised that FFVII > SMB3 > LttP hasn't been considered. If the Legend of Zelda makes it this far, which seems likely considering it could potentially be versing 3 Mario games in the quarterfinals then what's stopping SMB3 from taking the upset?

If Chrono Trigger ~= LttP in 2004

Spring 2004 - Semi-Final #1
Super Mario Bros. 3 - 47.77%
Chrono Trigger - 52.23%
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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/11/2009 9:02:52 AM | message detail

Castlevania: Symphony
Kirby Super Star
Resident Evil
Super Mario 64

I'm liking a KSS upset in that fourpack for first place, and then AGAIN in the next match with a second place spot behind Chrono Trigger. Thoughts on how insane and irrational I'm being? Kirby's performance in the last Character Battle (read: Cinderella Run) really inspired me not to doubt the little guy or his games.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/11/2009 9:05:01 AM | message detail

I'm liking a KSS upset in that fourpack for first place

No.

There is a 0% chance of KSS > Super Mario 64. >_>
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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/11/2009 9:07:40 AM | message detail

>_>
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KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/11/2009 9:10:02 AM | message detail

Mario 64 > SotN seems like a pretty simple pick for that 4pack. If Kirby was only Nintendo rep in the match (The reason he did so well in the character contest), then he might have a shot. But Mario 64 there will take out any chance of a good Kirby showing.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/11/2009 9:15:05 AM | message detail

Eh, I kinda just wanted to defy all logic with an upset pick, but rethinking it a few times (read: like six times) that is pretty goddamn shaky. I might as well invest my upset picks in ones that are actually plausible.

With that being said, let's get it MKII > Sonic II >____>
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Rufus Shinra 18 | Posted 3/11/2009 9:17:56 AM | message detail

The second half of the bracket is pure hell to predict for me.
It's full of SFF and games with unkonwn strenght, throw in the randomness of four ways and in the end I think that 10 games or so have a chance to follow OOT to the finals.
I decided to screw logic ang go with blind fanboyism. I have all of the four MGS games coming out of their divisions, lol.

Crimson Dragoon | Posted 3/11/2009 9:22:34 AM | message detail

Mario 64 > Resident Evil

REFEAR IMO

Just ask Ocelot. *nods*
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2009 9:22:53 AM | message detail

I'm torn, who do I take to the finals with OoT? MGS4 or FFX?
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/11/2009 9:29:19 AM | message detail

Kirby's performance in the last Character Battle (read: Cinderella Run) really inspired me not to doubt the little guy or his games.

I say, you're putting WAY too much faith in KSS. Woth Super Mario 64 there, the chance of a good Kirby showing is zero percent.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 3/11/2009 9:30:10 AM | message detail

Where's the evidence of no overlap between CT and FFVII? If it's just the finals from the Games Contest, that doesn't really mean anything more than SC2k3's finals.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2009 9:31:50 AM | message detail

There's plenty of overlap between CT and FF7, it's just not as big or onesided as say, Cloud/Squall. LttP being the only non-Square game in that match, and it alrerady being as strong as CT means that I can't see it not coming first there.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2009 9:33:41 AM | message detail

And I think Link doubling Crono/Vincent in 2007 is proof enough
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2009 9:38:08 AM | message detail

Can someone please tell me how stupid I am for having FFVII > Mario 64 as a division final? I have a setup where Goldeneye doesn't leech off of Mario 64 and CT gets knocked around by Final Fantasy VII due to a relevance drop, SFF, an overperformance by CT in the finals, and SM64 getting SFF'd into the ground by OoT, and therefore using its great performance against NiGHTS as the basis for its strength.

SM64 and Goldeneye not hurting other is very unlikely. CT getting SFF'd by FFVII is also unlikely- LFF, sure, but nothing, absolutely nothing, SFFs CT. Overperformance by CT in the finals.....I agree, but I also think SSBM overperformed, so I guess what I really mean by that is that the 32/64 division is badly underrated. It's hard to gauge where SM64 was in 2004, but I'd guess it was around SMW, which puts it well below CT. Without Goldeneye it might have a chance there, but with it, it's highly highly unlikely.

They don't need to be for LTTP to take first place in that match.

That's true, but FFVII is a good deal above LTTP, and it won't be easy to make up that gap. All 4 of these games are popular enough (3 of the top 4 games on the site!) to have a lot of overlap with each other, and LFF has its limits- for example, Zack only went from 30% to 34% on Link when Mario and Megaman X were added. I could see the match going something like....

FFVII 35%
LTTP 30%
CT 23%
FFVI 13%
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/11/2009 9:42:27 AM | message detail

There really isn't any proof that CT would not hurt FF7 considerably, but there is none for vice-versa as well.

Just think, just about 30% of the site would vote FF7 literally over anything. FF7 just might be liked way more than Cloud and Sephiroth to the point where LFF is a non-factor. That's what I'm banking on.

The only thing that worries me here is that it's more or less three RPGs and one Final Fantasy, but I still think there are enough modern FF fans to make FF7 blow everything out of the water.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2009 9:47:00 AM | message detail

There's overlap between CT and FFVII....but I think we're underestimating how much LFF it takes to make up a 60-40 gap. Snake only went from 44% to 50% on Cloud with Sephiroth added......I rather doubt CT and FFVI combined will hurt FFVII as much as Seph hurt Cloud, especially as CT and FFVI will hurt each other, and LTTP needs more than Snake got there to win this. It does have a chance, but I don't think it should be considered the favorite here.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/11/2009 9:53:26 AM | message detail

I'm not sure what LTTP gets today but I'd imagine it would be about 40/60 give or take a few points.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/11/2009 11:16:23 AM | message detail

How heavily are we debating the Battletoads/Final Fantasy/Prince of Persia/Super Mario World fourpack?
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 3/11/2009 11:17:00 AM | message detail

SMW > FF

No debate.
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 3/11/2009 11:18:02 AM | message detail

Enny has the right idea.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/11/2009 11:20:40 AM | message detail

nintendogirl1 | Posted 3/11/2009 2:17:00 PM | message detail
SMW > FF

No debate.

Hah, that's actually what I got right now for an "upset". grumble grumble my bracket's probably cookie as **** if I thought that was a cute upset.

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Applekidjosh | Posted 3/11/2009 11:32:12 AM | message detail

I still think it's a travesty we didn't get a single rock band / guitar hero entry. I'm sure if you looked at the nominations there were enough split between the 5 or so games that got nominated to put ONE in, if he had centered them around one.

too much thought for him?

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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 3/11/2009 11:36:11 AM | message detail

Why would he do that? That's just dumb.
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voltch | Posted 3/11/2009 1:01:20 PM | message detail

hey guys,kinda scared bout mario RPG>RE2

resident evil is a strong franchise and RE2 will have the hardcore vote,it's also the 2nd best selling game in the franchise,so says it's got 65-70% of RE4's strength,does that stomp on mario?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2009 1:07:45 PM | message detail

I took RE2 there without hesitation. If DKC2 wasn't there, it would be interesting, but RE2 has that match. The main reason why I kept telling people to put DKC2 in Lufia's place to give Yoshi's Island a good fight instead of ruining this one
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/11/2009 1:14:02 PM | message detail

So...it's that time of year again.

SA>ToS in Round 1. It's three casual games (two of them bound to be weak) versus a Nintendo RPG. I say it stands out just enough to go on!

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charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2009 1:14:06 PM | message detail

How much stronger do you think RE2 is compare to RE?
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voltch | Posted 3/11/2009 1:17:30 PM | message detail

quite a bit i'd say,tbh games with leon would be stronger than chris games imo.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2009 1:22:43 PM | message detail

I don't know I'm pretty sure Leon would have been weak if it wasn't for RE4.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/11/2009 1:32:24 PM | message detail

weaker than fodder? nah. he would have probably been around Claire's level.

I think RE got SFF'd a bit by MGS anyway.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/11/2009 1:32:40 PM | message detail

Leon would have probably been the weakest of the four main characters.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/11/2009 1:34:40 PM | message detail

Am I stupid to have Goldeneye advancing to the Division Finals?

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_Harmonica_ | Posted 3/11/2009 1:37:08 PM | message detail

You'd be stupid not to.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2009 1:37:16 PM | message detail

weaker than fodder? nah. he would have probably been around Claire's level.
Based on importance of the series before RE4 would be...

Jill > Claire > Chris > Leon

I think RE got SFF'd a bit by MGS anyway.
I also believe that.
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voltch | Posted 3/11/2009 1:40:43 PM | message detail

still there's got to be a reason why a numbered RE game with Leon sells better,RE5 doesn't look like it'll propel Chris to his level either.
i guess Mr Kennedy just got lucky wityh his placements.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2009 1:51:18 PM | message detail

The only thing that would stop GE is if Star Fox/Mario Kart sap it and let RE2 get by. But FF7 will be hurting RE2 just as much if not more so.....
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/11/2009 2:30:23 PM | message detail

So how's everybody's view on the Super Metroid/Super Mario Kart/Sonic 3 match?
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greatone10 | Posted 3/11/2009 2:41:20 PM | message detail

Sonic 3 > Super Metroid, but I am not confident in any part of that result at all. Personally, I think people are quite apathetic towards Mario Kart if there is anything that could even remotely steal its appeal. No proof for this, just a hunch.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/11/2009 3:42:57 PM | message detail

I have a hard time seeing Super METROID stealing Super Mario Kart's appeal. What other choice do they have? ... Gunstar Heroes?
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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/11/2009 4:48:07 PM | message detail

Ew...SMB3/SFII/SMW/MM3...
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 3/11/2009 4:56:55 PM | message detail

Why does everyone forget that FFX and MGS2 shared a common opponent in 2004.

Final Fantasy X 49.06% 40253
Super Smash Bros. Melee 50.94% 41798

Super Smash Bros. Melee 56.72% 42494
Metal Gear Solid 2 43.28% 32429

Sort of makes that 4 pack easy to decide.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 3/11/2009 4:58:32 PM | message detail

MGS in 2004 =/= MGS in 2009
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