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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 655

KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/10/2009 3:29:53 PM | message detail
time for some chrono cross to the finals action
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2009 3:29:56 PM | message detail
I take that back. It DID beat TP, but it was hardly convincing.
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 3/10/2009 3:31:18 PM | message detail
I'm liking Starcraft's placement. It could go deep.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/10/2009 3:31:24 PM | message detail
Considering RE4 couldn't beat TP with a crapload of Nintendo LFF helping it out in the GOTC poll, something tells me taking it over the biggest Zelda game isn't a good idea.

RE4 did beat LoZ:TP with a crapload of Nintendo LFF, for the record. I would also take SSBM over every game in that poll, and LoZ:TP should bother LoZ:OoT decently enough.

I'll think on it all more later -- right now I've gotta go to rehearsal.....
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/10/2009 3:32:18 PM | message detail
Yeah, CT/FFVI probably have more overlap than FFVII/FFVI. And, CT would need a huge amount of LFF to beat FFVII there.

As for RE4.....I don't think any amount of LFF, not even LTTP + TP, could get it to beat OOT.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/10/2009 3:32:24 PM | message detail
For that match I just went "Hey look, 3 PS2 M-rated games and World of Warcraft!"

I decided against putting a GTA game first or second on that match. I remember someone else in these stats topics (not this one) saying that GTA has been disappointing each year. Putting my faith in GTA could get me burned here.

Oh, and MGS3 gets second.

If it gets first in round 1 against WoW, it shouldn't get second in round 2, barring a massive collapse on MGS3's part or more aggressive WoW rallying. And that match doesn't even have any SFF to deal with either.




For the final match, I have FF7/Chrono Trigger/OoT/FFX, in which I picked OoT > FF7.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/10/2009 3:33:43 PM | message detail
I'm liking Starcraft's placement. It could go deep.

I have it going up to round 4.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2009 3:34:22 PM | message detail
Honestly, if you throw OoT into that poll with the rest of those options, I'm not entirely convinced it doesn't WIN.

You people just don't seem to realize how strong OoT is. RE4 ain't touching it.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2009 3:35:45 PM | message detail
Wait, I said I was going to let people think OoT can be beaten, right?

Carry on.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/10/2009 3:35:49 PM | message detail
SSBM what?

It will be FFX/Metroid Prime/SSBM/Diablo 2, no way anything except FFX > D2 happens there.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/10/2009 3:43:46 PM | message detail

From: RockMFR 5 | Posted: 3/10/2009 6:31:18 PM | #303
I'm liking Starcraft's placement. It could go deep.


It will.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/10/2009 3:45:29 PM | message detail
You have NO IDEA how badly I want to pick FFX > OoT > RE4/TP in that one match. 2004's (lol) stats have a 60-40 match as-is, and then you add TP to the poll in a format that blatantly favors FFX? Bah.
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 3:47:24 PM | message detail
Starcraft>MGS,if this happens payoff will be nice

final consisting of FFVII>OoT>LttP/RE4 which takes advantage of LFF,but not sure we're getting 3 mario games vs zelda.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/10/2009 3:47:27 PM | message detail
Am I crazy for picking Chrono Trigger to not only defeat LttP in round 4, but also make it to the finals too?

I figure that with the release of Chrono Trigger DS a few months ago, it would get enough of a strength boost to avoid losing to LttP. It's also worth noting that Chrono Trigger defeated LttP 5 years ago. Chrono Trigger makes it through round 5 as well on the basis it's strong enough to defeat SMB3, also keeping in mind that Chrono Trigger defeated SMB3 5 years ago as well.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/10/2009 3:47:34 PM | message detail
60-40 is actually a pretty big gap. Cloud went from 56% on Snake to just under 50% when Sephiroth was added to the mix....I wouldn't expect TP to hurt OOT as much as Sephiroth hurt Cloud. They'll overlap less, and OOT will take a larger proportion of the votes.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/10/2009 3:50:02 PM | message detail
It's a big gap in 1v1. For whatever reason, I cannot stop looking at that Game of the Century poll where FFX just murdered everything.
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 3:50:10 PM | message detail
oh and Lttp beating VII early on looks VERY tempting,though once CT and VI get knocked out nintendo's jammin itself with mario overloads.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2009 3:50:47 PM | message detail
Why wouldn't you expect OoT just not to crush TP rather than just split 50/50 with it, especially if OoT is in danger?

Think of Cloud/Snake/Kirby/Sephiroth last year. Sephy got destroyed because the FFVII fans rallied around Cloud.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/10/2009 3:50:53 PM | message detail
Am I crazy for picking Chrono Trigger to not only defeat LttP in round 4, but also make it to the finals too?

If you believe CTDS has lifted Chrono Trigger to near-OOT levels, then that's fine. I still don't think that's completely impossible (look how much Snake boosted from a trailer and how much Square boosted in 2003, possibly/mostly from Kingdom Hearts), but it's very very very unlikely. As in about as close to impossible as we can get in a 4-way contest that's sequel to a contest from 5 years ago.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/10/2009 3:50:58 PM | message detail

From: -LusterSoldier- | Posted: 3/10/2009 6:47:27 PM | #313
Am I crazy for picking Chrono Trigger to not only defeat LttP in round 4, but also make it to the finals too?

I figure that with the release of Chrono Trigger DS a few months ago, it would get enough of a strength boost to avoid losing to LttP. It's also worth noting that Chrono Trigger defeated LttP 5 years ago. Chrono Trigger makes it through round 5 as well on the basis it's strong enough to defeat SMB3, also keeping in mind that Chrono Trigger defeated SMB3 5 years ago as well.


I think I have LTTP > FF7 in that match. Isn't that the one with FF7, FF6 and CT?
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Tediz247 | Posted 3/10/2009 3:51:58 PM | message detail
Links to the aforementioned game of the century polls?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/10/2009 3:52:00 PM | message detail
Yeah I ended up with FF7/FF6/CT/LttP too. Taking CT over LttP there would be crazy
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2009 3:53:12 PM | message detail
Poll 2995 (01/13/08)
BEST OF 2007: Game of the Century (so far)

27768 24.75% 2001: Final Fantasy X
7068 6.3% 2002: Metroid Prime
5070 4.52% 2003: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
15646 13.95% 2004: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
20435 18.22% 2005: Resident Evil 4
18910 16.86% 2006: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
17279 15.4% 2007: Super Mario Galaxy

TOTAL VOTES: 112176
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 3:53:58 PM | message detail
72-88,who else has SMB>Zelda for everymatch till the LFF kicks in?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2009 3:54:26 PM | message detail
I have SMB > LoZ the whole way through.
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 3:55:34 PM | message detail
i'm also thinking of taking FFIV over SMW,if SMB3 overpowers SMW the FF name could mean a sneak win.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2009 3:57:00 PM | message detail
FFIV has gotta get there first!
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 3:58:02 PM | message detail
hmmm VI and LttP are dead even normally,but throw in kart and sonic and maybe nintendo splits enough to?

i hate it when matches have to be decided through cowardly sneaks.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 3/10/2009 3:58:25 PM | message detail
Super Mario World
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy II (IV)
Mega Man 3

I don't see FFIV making it out of there TBH.
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 3:58:56 PM | message detail
OH **** didn't notice it would be 2 FFs vs MM3
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/10/2009 3:59:38 PM | message detail
I imagine Final Fantasy 1 will be killed so badly that it won't really hurt much
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/10/2009 4:00:04 PM | message detail
Isn't that the one with FF7, FF6 and CT?

I have a final consisting of FF7/Chrono Trigger/OoT/FFX, in which I went with OoT > FF7 given the LFF mess in that match.

who else has SMB>Zelda for everymatch till the LFF kicks in?

I'm thinking of taking an upset option by putting SMB > MM2 in round 3 because Zelda should probably be SFFed lower than MM2 because of SMB.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2009 4:00:53 PM | message detail
Poll 1443 (11/20/2003)
Which Final Fantasy title is your all-time favorite?

2567 2.82% Final Fantasy
1128 1.24% Final Fantasy II
4148 4.55% Final Fantasy III
3332 3.66% Final Fantasy IV
1521 1.67% Final Fantasy V
13196 14.48% Final Fantasy VI
36823 40.41% Final Fantasy VII
9079 9.96% Final Fantasy VIII
4826 5.30% Final Fantasy IX
10246 11.25% Final Fantasy X
2040 2.24% Final Fantasy X-2
2210 2.43% Final Fantasy XI

TOTAL VOTES: 91116

I wouldn't be so sure about that!
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/10/2009 4:01:31 PM | message detail
Well I'm not sure, but that poll certainly didn't change my mind any
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 4:01:54 PM | message detail
urgh,i got MGS4 going all the way to the semis just cos brawl allows it reduce it's opponent's strength for it.
RE4>MGS4 so far,TP would have to be very strong to wipe the floor with brawl.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/10/2009 4:02:16 PM | message detail
I don't see how Mario 1 > Zelda 1 makes much sense, but I guess it's possible.
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heroic tranny | Posted 3/10/2009 4:02:47 PM | message detail
FF1 won't get killed. that'll be a 60/40 kind of thing, I think. might be a 65/35 thing now with the remake but I wouldn't expect FF1 to just fall apart -- not to FF4. to FF6, yeah.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 3/10/2009 4:04:50 PM | message detail
Also, does everyone else have the rather eerie reminder of the GoTY with CoD4/SSBB/MGS4/Fallout 3.

Because to my mind, that's the most predictable match I have set up in the whole bracket.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/10/2009 4:05:25 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2592

Maybe this one's a bit better.

Mario 1 > Zelda 1 doesn't make much sense, I know, but I'm going against the grain here!
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heroic tranny | Posted 3/10/2009 4:05:49 PM | message detail
I dunno. COD4 was LFF'd pretty hard in its GOTY so you could conceivably see it putting up a fight there.
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 4:06:19 PM | message detail
hmmm,what were the results?also i'm sure CoD4 will need more checking after you know wiping the floor with halo3
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 3/10/2009 4:06:36 PM | message detail
Well Ulti, SMB > LoZ in 2004 if you think that SMB is worth more then 43.2% indirectly on SMB3. LoZ has aged FAR worse then SMB to my mind and depending on what the pictures could look like, SMB could have that in the bag easily.

It's not a lock, but I'm comfortable.
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Big Bob | Posted 3/10/2009 4:07:09 PM | message detail
I agree with Mario 1 > Zelda 1

While Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time has essentially rendered the original Zelda obsolete, the original Mario, while simple, is still playable and charming. Not as good as later games, but still playable today.
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 4:09:08 PM | message detail
another scary possibility is doom,if it has midcard strength then that's a pikachu setup right there.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/10/2009 4:09:29 PM | message detail
I agree with Mario 1 > Zelda 1

Hmm. Mario 1 > MM2 possible in round 3 with an SFF situation between Mario 1 and Zelda 1?
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 4:11:17 PM | message detail
the most annyoing part is what happens when brawl meets galaxy/TP,does one game give up a place for an LFF advantage taker,do both ames still go through,or does brawl get stomped?
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/10/2009 4:13:49 PM | message detail
One thing to note: This is the first games contest in 5 years, and therefore almost nothing is certain. It is very very likely that we will be shocked at least once and probably more during this contest. So go ahead and take those longshot upsets!
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a winner is you | Posted 3/10/2009 4:14:57 PM | message detail
MM2 > Mario/Zelda would be more likely if you believed that to be the case.

however, we've seen many times that Mega Man gets beat up by Nintendo so it's not going to get out of this easily. plus, we've seen Zelda 1 go 56/44 with SMB3 so we know Mario 1's going to have a fight on its hands if it advances there.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/10/2009 4:15:10 PM | message detail
What's everybody's opinion on G/S and Tactics? Ramza has fallen to the likes of Laharl and Pikachu places over Ryu.
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voltch | Posted 3/10/2009 4:15:37 PM | message detail
same deal with Melee,does OoT's presence allow starcraft to pass?
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