GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 654
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/6/2009 10:21:55 PM | message detail |
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Ninja Gaiden.. has a terrible poll history. but Duck Hunt is so going to get owned still. It was sold with SMB for crying out loud. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| ZFS | Posted 3/6/2009 10:22:15 PM | message detail |
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The problem with this bracket isn't even really four-ways. 1v1's would
be more fun to predict, but there's a point to be made about going
through some boring stuff. What the problem is is all this generation
stuff - if he would ditch that, we'd be in business. --- http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3006/wtfcrono.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2009 10:22:35 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, Bacon doesn't seem to care that he's alienating the ones who've been around the longest because it gets more votes. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/6/2009 10:23:34 PM | message detail |
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From: LeonhartFour | #203 Wii redux. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| Yesmar | Posted 3/6/2009 10:24:00 PM | message detail |
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I really need to do some reading for school, but here's a random format
I came up with that solves a couple of issues people have, and with
which I will use Div. 1 from 2007 as an example. 1) Give all the characters seeds, which I'm fairly confident was done anyway, and then drop the bottom 4: 1) Samus 2) Mega Man 3) Midna 4) Yoshi 5) Knuckles 6) Kratos A. 7) Frog 8) Diablo 9) KOS-MOS 10) Axel 11) Scorpion 12) Rikku 2) The first round consists of two four way matches between the lower 8 seeds. The top 4 all receive byes for this round. The four way matches will consist of 7 v. 8 v. 9 v. 10, and 5 v. 6 v. 11 v. 12. This gives us: Axel Diablo Frog KOS-MOS and Knuckles Kratos A. Rikku Scorpion 3) The winner of the first match becomes the 7 seed to Mega's 2 and the loser becomes the 8 to Samus's 1. The winner of the second match becomes the 5 seed to Yoshi's 4 and the loser becomes the 6 to Midna's 3. The contest then continues on as a normal 1 v. 1. I think that this: A) Allows 96 entrants in, while only increasing the contest's length by 2 weeks. B) Helps prevent blow outs, by distributing character's seedings in the 1 v. 1 on a strength based format. This kind of rebracketing (which would simply be done automatically on anyone's initial contest form. Bacon wouldn't need to do anything after the contest's begun) also would lead towards as many close matches as possible, by shooting for the best possible competition for each entrant. It also cuts out less interesting matches. We don't have to sit through Yoshi vs. Vaan or Midna Vs. Agent 47 while waiting for them to face off against Knuckles and/or Scorpion. C) While I also like Ulti's idea, his sets up repeated matches for two straight weeks, which we just saw in 4 ways the round before. --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2009 10:24:21 PM | message detail |
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And yeah, if he'd just drop the eras by generation, that'd make things a LOT better... --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/6/2009 10:25:07 PM | message detail |
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I want to join in on the Stats Topic Doom and Gloom Session, but everything's pretty much been covered. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/6/2009 10:26:06 PM | message detail |
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I'll take DK > PO and never look back. I don't think PO would have
made such a match with DH five years ago, and aging will probably hurt
it more than DK. Little Mac is a bad point of comparison...but it's
still not favorable. Another thing from a certain list I talk about a
lot: here's the NES games it's between... #63: Contra - NES #65: Metroid - NES [...] #71: Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! - NES [...] #76: Final Fantasy - NES #77: Dragon Warrior - NES ...it's in-between two games that aren't strong and two games that get by on their brand-name. This was from over three years ago. I imagine GameFAQs's users from this list were more willing to support PO than casuals today. I know DK's not on the list, but it's still named after the big ape, plus it's more iconic and beat a pack-in game for the system. DK all the way. I do like that it's our favorite choker against one of our favorite underdogs though. =) --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/6/2009 10:26:17 PM | message detail |
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I can honestly see Bacon's way of seeing things though. If we look
outside of our 1 vs 1 stat love, somebody would really find the same
blowouts boring and whatnot. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| ZFS | Posted 3/6/2009 10:26:27 PM | message detail |
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I mean, really, one of you guys who are good at this bracket making
thing, take this bracket and scramble it up without divisions. Don't
try to make the most 'ideal' bracket, just keep it basic and make some
good matches. I'm sure it'd be a lot better once you're mixing new and
old together. --- http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3006/wtfcrono.jpg |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:26:36 PM | message detail |
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Oh no, he's pissing off, what, a hundred people here? Obviously I don't know whether the public would really prefer 4-ways, but one thing is true: you all are the minority. Can't really do anything about it. Your glory days are over. This is the future of GameFAQs Contests. Say goodbye to indepth analysis and the ilk. From now on it's about luck and joke entries. Enjoy what you can. --- http://l33trappacat.blogspot.com/ |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2009 10:26:56 PM | message detail |
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Where's Donkey Kong on that list, HaRR! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2009 10:28:19 PM | message detail |
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And while I do understand why Bacon's doing it the way he's doing it, I
don't know if he's entirely correct in some of his assumptions, but
this has already been covered repeatedly, so... --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:28:50 PM | message detail |
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And I'm still convinced that Bacon has always disliked the board and
designed this contest purely to spite everyone here. The topic flooding
idea was a nice touch. --- http://l33trappacat.blogspot.com/ |
| PunchingPower | Posted 3/6/2009 10:29:09 PM | message detail |
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^5 Mega let's go post about Coach and Taj and how they are wastes of human lives oh man we're so vile feels gooooooooood --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 10:29:13 PM | message detail |
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I disagree with HM. good luck making a bracket where the final 16
aren't 6 Nintendo and 6 Square games. here's a preview of a 'seeded'
final 16 - FF7 FF10 CT FF6 OOT LTTP TP SM64 SMW SMB3 SSBM SSBB MGS 007 RE4 Starcraft now, try to make a bracket that sets up a good final week with that. good luck. --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:30:40 PM | message detail |
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From: PunchingPower | #215 But I like Taj. --- http://l33trappacat.blogspot.com/ |
| PunchingPower | Posted 3/6/2009 10:31:25 PM | message detail |
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I'm such an ass XD --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2009 10:31:54 PM | message detail |
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Uhhh... FFVII TP SSBM Mario 3 OoT FFVI CT LttP SM64 SMW FFX StarCraft RE4 MGS GE007 SSBB Go --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| ZFS | Posted 3/6/2009 10:32:04 PM | message detail |
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Try making a good 1v1 bracket that's done by generations. You're gonna
get a bunch of SFF no matter what you do - that's just how these
contests are since they're dominated by Square and Nintendo. We've
dealt with this since these things started. We were a few hundred votes
away from losing a bunch of matches last games contest, and it was
riddled with SFF then, too. The final stretch is still gonna be rough, but would you rather have it as it is now, or have a contest all mixed up? --- http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3006/wtfcrono.jpg |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:33:33 PM | message detail |
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From: transcience | #216 FF7 FF10 CT FF6 SM64 SMW SMB3 SSBM MGS 007 RE4 Starcraft OOT LTTP TP SSBB We'd have FF7, SMB3, RE4, and OoT. Eh. --- http://l33trappacat.blogspot.com/ |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 10:33:44 PM | message detail |
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oh, I like mixed up. in recent years we've moved away from Nintendo and Square dominance -- this is a good thing. but if you ask me what the bigger problem is, I say the fourway format, by far. --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 10:34:57 PM | message detail |
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for example, FF10 vs. FF6 is a good match. SM64 vs. SMW is a good match. TP vs. SSBM is a good match. FF10 vs. FF6 vs. Metal Gear Solid vs. Twilight Princess is a bad match because the two Square games are dead in the water. --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/6/2009 10:35:04 PM | message detail |
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Already acknowledged DK's not on the list! I'm saying no big brand-name
is backing it up (and no, Mike Tyson isn't a brand-name; it's less of
one than Madden)
and it fell in the Contra-DW range with the hardcore crowd. I would
think it would be the LEAST casual-friendly game in its match, too, so
I don't see how it's going to pull the upset. It'll beat Space
Invaders, at least -- it deserves that much. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2009 10:37:03 PM | message detail |
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so I don't see how it's going to pull the upset. People have said this about Little Mac before!! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| ZFS | Posted 3/6/2009 10:37:41 PM | message detail |
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Can't say I agree. You can have a crack at that 1v1 by generations
bracket. I still don't think it ends up being that much better. You're
gonna lose some of the good matches we have now, replaced with boring
ones, and you're still gonna run into lots of SFF. It's bad either way. But if you ditch the generations - and I don't think he'd be as turned off to this idea - you're gonna end up with a better bracket. Is it gonna be the best thing ever? Probably not, but hey, there's no guarantee you get that in 1v1 either. Four-ways aren't always the turn off, I don't think, it's how you make a four-way bracket. --- http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3006/wtfcrono.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2009 10:38:29 PM | message detail |
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You know, if we dropped them both, things would get a lot better!!!! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 10:39:13 PM | message detail |
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and I'm saying that our two-company dominance turns fourways into LFF
messes, generations or not. it'd be better, but not THAT much better.
you're very unlikely to get a final where FF7 and OOT are on neutral
ground. --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:39:14 PM | message detail |
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FFVII SMW high seed fodder #1 high seed fodder #2 TP MGS/007 SSBB SM64 --- OoT StarCraft LttP CT SMB3 FFVI/RE4 FFX SSBM Wastes StarCraft and SMW, requires two non-elite games (let's say Galaxy and MGS4) and to have good seeds and some deserving games to have slightly lower seeds, which is probably workable. Two good fourpacks (I think), a good match in LttP/CT, two boring semis (unavoidable with FFVII/OoT), and a real final, not one wrecked by LttP. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 10:39:26 PM | message detail |
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Leon's onto something. --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/6/2009 10:39:48 PM | message detail |
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darn you soda popinski --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:40:11 PM | message detail |
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Oh, whoops, I thought you were talking about going to a 1v1 and still being compelling even with all the SFF. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| ZFS | Posted 3/6/2009 10:43:40 PM | message detail |
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I think it would be that much better, but
we'll never know. I'm not opposed to four-ways like most of you guys
are, it doesn't ruin it for me. I'd like to see it be a 1v1, too, but
it's not like four-ways don't have their own advantages. 1v1's do, too,
but you gotta make best of what ya got. If everyone tried to get him to
change the generation thing instead of complaining about no 1v1s even
after he said it ain't happening, we'd better off, but oh well ! Gotta aim for that middle ground - four-ways, no generations. It's the worst as it is now, would be best 1v1, no generations. --- http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3006/wtfcrono.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/6/2009 10:44:01 PM | message detail |
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From: transcience | #216 Heh, this just might be our best argument against Bacon: there are just too many of the same games. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 10:46:08 PM | message detail |
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nah, you make good 1v1 stuff. I've done it before, you've done it before. we know it's possible, just tricky. but fourways are just ouch. it's very possible that we'll know every result by the round of 16 just by looking at the companies. --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| ZFS | Posted 3/6/2009 10:47:53 PM | message detail |
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I've see a bunch of 1v1 stuff that's made with mixing stuff. I don't
think I've seen a bracket done by generations since the games contest,
everyone here pretty much agreed that was no good. I don't think 1v1
with generations is honestly that much better than what we've got. Who remembers Tetris vs. Pong who wants this again ! --- http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3006/wtfcrono.jpg |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 10:48:44 PM | message detail |
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---- vs. | let's do this --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:49:05 PM | message detail |
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I'm not dead set against fourways. But look at three of the probable quarterfinals for this bracket: The Legend of Zelda Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World Link to the Past Final Fantasy VI Final Fantasy VII Chrono Trigger Ocarina of Time Metal Gear Solid Super Smash Bros. Melee Final Fantasy X There's one good match between all six potential places (FFX/MGS). That's pathetic. Division by era is, I'd wager, a large part of the problem, but no matter what you do with fourways you're going to end up ruining matches like the second and third one or just getting flat out awful SFF fests like the first. At least you can only do the first in 1v1 brackets. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:49:35 PM | message detail |
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From: ZFS | #236 This time we could have L-Block VS Pong Paddle with the ball touching it so that it looks like an upside-down L-Block! --- http://l33trappacat.blogspot.com/ |
| ZFS | Posted 3/6/2009 10:52:18 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I agree with you. Axing generations isn't gonna make everything
better; you're still gonna have to deal with SFF and LFF no matter what
when it comes to four-ways, but it's definitely one of the bigger
problems. It won't be perfect, but mixing everything up stops one big
division of SFF like we have now. --- http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3006/wtfcrono.jpg |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 10:52:50 PM | message detail |
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you know what I think would help? company caps. --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:53:48 PM | message detail |
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Anyway, if you at least mix up the quarters as per Harrich's suggestion you get something slightly better. See: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48468595 Although that particular pairing forces FFVII/Ocarina too soon, but, on the bright side, we get to see if Ocarina can overturn it in favourable circumstances instead of just getting killed because LttP is there. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:54:30 PM | message detail |
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From: transcience | #241 Large amounts of fodder. Instead of SFF matches, we get Tanner vs Jay Solano! --- http://l33trappacat.blogspot.com/ |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 3/6/2009 10:56:35 PM | message detail |
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Company caps wouldn't keep out those final ~14 of 16 that are
Square/Nintendo games, though. You'd probably avoid some early round
silliness like Paper Mario preventing Metroid Prime from advancing, but
it wouldn't significantly change the later stages. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 10:58:05 PM | message detail |
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it would cut down on the 'problem' though. say you limit it to two games per series -- less stuff can get in the way. finals would still be pretty wonky, but maybe we could salvage the rest. --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/6/2009 11:00:27 PM | message detail |
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Two games per series? In a 128-bracket? So all the high-profile games
would be in one 32-bracket, and then the other three could be villains,
female, and female villains! --- http://l33trappacat.blogspot.com/ |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 11:01:22 PM | message detail |
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aww yeah --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| Yesmar | Posted 3/6/2009 11:02:45 PM | message detail |
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I'm not sure I agree that Bacon shouldn't listen to us because we're
just a "minority." Who were the people that were clamoring for major
changes to begin with? They certainly weren't a majority. People were
disappointed in 2006 because of the Male Vs. Female thing, not because
they were tired of 1 vs. 1. The format of the contest certainly wasn't
changed because of public opinion last time, why should that affect it
this time? --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
| transcience | Posted 3/6/2009 11:07:57 PM | message detail |
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by the way, I'm working on some tweaks to take this bracket from awful to mediocre - http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48465602 come join me! --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2009 11:38:53 PM | message detail |
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A two-game series cap would be pretty bad, I think. Who gets snubbed:
World or Mario 64? Neither deserves to be snubbed. Maybe a five game
limit would be best, but then again, that only really applies to like
three series (FF, Zelda, Mario), and they're the most popular anyway so
why not let them have more games in? --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
