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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 653

voltch | Posted 3/4/2009 1:40:10 PM | message detail
RE4>TP>Galaxy,gut feeling there.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/4/2009 1:43:38 PM | message detail
I doubt that Soul Calibur would've beat Halo, especially in retrospect. Ivy doing badly in 2006, Soul Calibur doing badly in the Series Contest that year, and Nightmare not even making the contest field then despite being one of the Rally Tournament winners all suggest that Soul Calibur fluked that match with Kingdom Hearts.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/4/2009 1:44:26 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #402
I doubt that Soul Calibur would've beat Halo, especially in retrospect. Ivy doing badly in 2006, Soul Calibur doing badly in the Series Contest that year, and Nightmare not even making the contest field then despite being one of the Rally Tournament winners all suggest that Soul Calibur fluked that match with Kingdom Hearts.


Or Kingdom Hearts was just that weak
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MetricTrout | Posted 3/4/2009 1:44:51 PM | message detail
Still waiting for the bracket...
charmander6000 | Posted 3/4/2009 1:45:29 PM | message detail
I knew someone would bring this up.

We all know that Starcraft cheated, it would be shown about a 1,000 times that tournament. That is not a normal circumstance and you know it.


Rallying does not mean cheating and who's to say that Starcraft was the only one cheating in that match. The only match I'll give credit for cheating is SSBM/Starcraft.

We've also seen Vincent, a five seed easily win against Dante, a one seed in an 8 seeded bracket. Dante showed no strength jumps between years. Seeds mean nothing other than bracket placement which could create a bandwagon, which is hard to start in a one vs one situation. A game like RE4 will not start a bandwagon type rally unless it beats a big name in a close match.

As for X Stats saying Halo would have beat WW. BS, Halo would have lost to Kingdom Hearts in round 2 by a healthy margin, let alone touched FF X, WW, and SSBM.

X Stats didn't take account for the bandwagon explosion so while those three games would beat Halo, I'm pretty sure Halo would have easily won against KH after it's embarrassing performance against Soul Calibur.

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red sox 777 | Posted 3/4/2009 1:46:59 PM | message detail
Or that Kingdom Hearts just wasn't that strong back then. A game does not need to be terribly strong on its own right to provide massive boosts as KH did. Or to put it another way, yes Cloud and Sephiroth's KH boost was big, but it was small compared to the strength they already had from FFVII.
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GameZACKS | Posted 3/4/2009 2:41:35 PM | message detail
20 bucks says as soon as I get axed we get the bracket (I'm suspended now).

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/4/2009 3:52:47 PM | message detail
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Majin Lou | Posted 3/4/2009 3:53:30 PM | message detail
Aww snap the stickied topic is gone.
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paulg235 | Posted 3/4/2009 3:54:42 PM | message detail
This is either good news, or bad news.
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ZFS | Posted 3/4/2009 3:55:28 PM | message detail
Let's do this

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TheOceIot | Posted 3/4/2009 3:56:10 PM | message detail
bracket am coming soon confirmed
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CasanovaZelos | Posted 3/4/2009 3:57:05 PM | message detail
It's probably both.

The good news is that the bracket will probably be put up soon.

The bad news is that the bracket will probably be up soon, leading to people whining because *insert game here* didn't make it.

I'll start:
The bracket stinks because Rollercoaster Tycoon didn't make it.
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paulg235 | Posted 3/4/2009 3:57:47 PM | message detail
TEKKEN 3 will make it. Believe.
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CasanovaZelos | Posted 3/4/2009 3:59:07 PM | message detail
Tekken 3 will be so overseeded if it does make it. Thank you, critical ratings greatly contrasting with the average GameFAQs user view of Tekken 3.
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paulg235 | Posted 3/4/2009 4:00:21 PM | message detail
TEKKEN will finally get the respect the franchise deserves if it does. No way does it become the Halo of the contest. >.>
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/4/2009 4:01:16 PM | message detail
Tekken would be lucky to become the Tales of the contest.

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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 3/4/2009 4:03:36 PM | message detail

From: GameZACKS | #407
20 bucks says as soon as I get axed we get the bracket (I'm suspended now).


Probably. The bracket never comes up until I get Warned/Suspended, and I just got Warned earlier today.

You're welcome, everybody.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/4/2009 4:06:15 PM | message detail
We've got some team players here, getting suspended for the cause and all!
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 3/4/2009 4:07:25 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #419
We've got some team players here, getting suspended for the cause and all!


Hey, you should thank Smurf for getting me Warned!
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GameZACKS | Posted 3/4/2009 4:07:42 PM | message detail
well I got suspended and an hour later the topic came down. shouldn't be long now boys.

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HaRRicH | Posted 3/4/2009 4:18:37 PM | message detail
So, let's test Nintendo real quick before the bracket's up:

Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess VERSUS Final Fantasy X
Super Mario 64 VERSUS Metal Gear Solid
Super Mario Galaxy VERSUS Metal Gear Solid 4
Super Smash Bros. Melee VERSUS Chrono Trigger
Super Smash Bros. Brawl VERSUS Resident Evil 4
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/4/2009 4:21:12 PM | message detail
FFX
MGS
MGS4
SSBM
RE4

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ZFS | Posted 3/4/2009 4:21:55 PM | message detail
FFX
MGS
Galaxy
CT
RE4

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/4/2009 4:24:01 PM | message detail
FFX
MGS
Galaxy
CT
RE4
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Xeybozn | Posted 3/4/2009 4:25:00 PM | message detail
TP
SM64
Galaxy
Melee
RE4
MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/4/2009 4:25:48 PM | message detail
I was thinking about the TP one a bit more..

Wasn't Windwaker, at least by how it killed Arcadia, gonna have a close match with FFX?

You could say TP wins because TP > Windwaker by that maybe...
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/4/2009 4:26:21 PM | message detail
Twilight Princess
Metal Gear Solid
Super Mario Galaxy
Chrono Trigger
Resident Evil 4
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ZFS | Posted 3/4/2009 4:28:10 PM | message detail
TP vs. FFX would be a close match, but man, that's a pretty goofy way to decide who to pick!

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MetricTrout | Posted 3/4/2009 4:32:13 PM | message detail
The anticipation is killing me!
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/4/2009 4:40:05 PM | message detail
CAn't wait! Should be up tonight!
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/4/2009 5:57:45 PM | message detail
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/4/2009 6:05:01 PM | message detail
Hmm, I'm changing my original predictions after looking at how badly RE4 blew out the other 2 games in the Final GotY poll from 2005. Brawl struggled with MGS4 for a few hours.

Final Fantasy X
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Galaxy
Chrono Trigger
Resident Evil 4
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/4/2009 7:09:07 PM | message detail
The games it blew out weren't that strong you know.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/4/2009 7:12:43 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy X > Twilight Princess
Metal Gear Solid > Super Mario 64
Metal Gear Solid 4 > Super Mario Galaxy
Chrono Trigger > Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Resident Evil 4

I'm tempted to call a sweep for the non-Nintendo side, but Brawl > RE4 just feels right to me, despite my having been on the anti-Brawl bandwagon from the beginning.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/4/2009 7:16:33 PM | message detail
Actually, scratch that. RE4 ought to be able to do much better than 52% against MGS4, and there's no need to be afraid of Brawl. Team Non-Nintendo Sweep it is.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 3/4/2009 7:19:42 PM | message detail
From: red sox 777 | #435
Final Fantasy X > Twilight Princess

Maybe.

Metal Gear Solid > Super Mario 64

No.

Metal Gear Solid 4 > Super Mario Galaxy

Doubtful.

Chrono Trigger > Super Smash Bros. Melee

Probably

Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Resident Evil 4

Probably.

From: red sox 777 | #436
Actually, scratch that. RE4 ought to be able to do much better than 52% against MGS4.

No
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 3/4/2009 7:27:54 PM | message detail
Twilight Princess (Again, I'm one of those who think this newest generation of games are all higher than everyone expects)
Super Mario 64 (It's ****ing Mario. I think even in this anti-Nintendo climate nostalgia will win out over MGS)
Metal Gear Solid 4 (Galaxy, while critically acclaimed, doesn't really pull at the heartstrings like 64. I think Galaxy will be strong, but I don't think it'd hang as closely to Brawl, SFF aside)
Chrono Trigger (It'd beat Melee in 2004, it could do it again with a DS port vs Nintendo backlash)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Again, I think Brawl/MGS4 are around the likes of FF7 and OoT, so I don't think RE4 would hold a candle to those two)
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paulg235 | Posted 3/4/2009 7:33:47 PM | message detail
Twilight Princess > Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid > Super Mario 64
Metal Gear Solid 4 > Super Mario Galaxy
Chrono Trigger > Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Resident Evil 4
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/4/2009 8:00:48 PM | message detail
MGS4... around the likes of FF7?


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Meeks54 | Posted 3/4/2009 8:04:39 PM | message detail

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | #2158
Twilight Princess (Again, I'm one of those who think this newest generation of games are all higher than everyone expects)
Super Mario 64 (It's ****ing Mario. I think even in this anti-Nintendo climate nostalgia will win out over MGS)
Metal Gear Solid 4 (Galaxy, while critically acclaimed, doesn't really pull at the heartstrings like 64. I think Galaxy will be strong, but I don't think it'd hang as closely to Brawl, SFF aside)
Chrono Trigger (It'd beat Melee in 2004, it could do it again with a DS port vs Nintendo backlash)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Again, I think Brawl/MGS4 are around the likes of FF7 and OoT, so I don't think RE4 would hold a candle to those two)




Let me start it early this year.



ONE LESS BRACKET.


Good god, You think Brawl is going to be close to OoT?
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Biolizard28 | Posted 3/4/2009 8:08:51 PM | message detail
Anyone who thinks MGS has a snowball's chance in Hell with a scarf on to beat SM64 should print their bracket out and use it as toilet paper.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/4/2009 8:12:04 PM | message detail
Uh.....why is that? We didn't get a good read on either game in 2004 and we haven't since....MGS did beat SM64 on the list. Why is it impossible?
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Biolizard28 | Posted 3/4/2009 8:13:14 PM | message detail
What list?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/4/2009 8:14:11 PM | message detail
The Fall 2005 list dude come on bro.
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ZFS | Posted 3/4/2009 8:15:08 PM | message detail
Don't know why MGS wouldn't have a great shot against Mario 64.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/4/2009 8:16:41 PM | message detail
Hey now as the main proponent of MGS's strength here and also the main source of disrespect for SM64's strength I say that match will be no more than a tripling in MGS's favor

no less of course

but no more
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Biolizard28 | Posted 3/4/2009 8:17:17 PM | message detail
Unless the two are, like, 20 spaces apart, I think SM64 shouldn't have much of a problem winning.

From: ZFS | #446
Don't know why MGS wouldn't have a great shot against Mario 64.

Why would it?
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Meeks54 | Posted 3/4/2009 8:21:27 PM | message detail
SM 64 56%
MGS 44%


And I am probably really lowballing SM 64.

People do remember Final Fantasy Tactics right?


Are you really saying you think that MGS would have a prayer at SM 64?

Does anyone think even with SFF killing SM 64 that FFT would have scored what SM 64 did on OoT?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/4/2009 8:26:21 PM | message detail
we don't know where FFT is either.

and btw MGS today won't be as weak as MGS 2004.

I don't see why that match isn't 50/50.
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