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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 653

M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/1/2009 3:56:58 PM | message detail
SMB3 (Easy one)
MGS3 (MGS strength should dwarf those below)
Halo 3 (Should be a bit weak but not as weak as the below)
MP3 (Though it might have a small chance of upsetting Halo 3)
Sonic 3 (I have my doubts about this game's strength)
Warcraft 3 (It'd surprise people, hell, it may even be stronger than Sonic 3, but I'll err against)
GH3 (It might have potential, but I kinda doubt it)

MGS4 (I really think MGS4 and Brawl are very strong, thus #1)
RE4 (Easily first or second, second in my case)
SF4 (Biggest hype for a SF game in a long time and a recent release, so I think it'll have legs)
CoD4 (People still play it despite WaW, held up well in last year's GotY, GameFAQs is shifting toward western games thanks to 360)
GTA4 (The hype and inflated scores hurt the game, I imagine GTA3 and its spinoffs would even beat it)
FF4 (Low end of the FF totem poll, I don't have much faith in it or any pre-FF6 game in the series)
SO4 (This is a joke, right?)
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/1/2009 3:58:14 PM | message detail
I really hope Warcraft 3 makes it. It won't be as strong as Starcraft, but I think it could do well and not have the anti votes WoW would get
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Gaddswell | Posted 3/1/2009 4:01:01 PM | message detail
I'd love to see WC3 too.

How much do you think DotA affects WC3?
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/1/2009 8:45:02 PM | message detail
I doubt Warcraft 3 will really have much strength, but since it's Blizzard I still expect it to pull off a crazy upset.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/1/2009 8:49:07 PM | message detail
We really need the bracket.....tomorrow is the first monday of March....about time. I'm not sure of the exact date, but I think we're right around the 5th anniversary of the original BGE bracket....let's start this contest on the 5th anniversary of that contest.

Wait, that's April 1st.....Best Joke Ever Contest confirmed, L-Block vs. Zack Fair vs. World of Warcraft vs. CATS in the finals!
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/1/2009 8:56:53 PM | message detail
The contest started on April 2nd because CJayC wanted to do April Fools.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/2/2009 6:12:27 AM | message detail
Now I'm thinking that he might simply be waiting until the 5th anniversary of the first BGE contest. And I feel that GTA4 is a flop waiting to happen.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/2/2009 7:00:31 AM | message detail
well i expect san andreas to get in before 4 anyway.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/2/2009 7:28:49 AM | message detail
I think GTA4 will get in even if scores aren't involved with a game getting in. If they are, it's a clear lock, but even if not I'm sure plenty of casuals will still nominate it enough that it'd even get into a 64-game bracket.

But yeah, I definitely agree that the game will flop hard. In fact, I'd love to see Warcraft 3/GTA4 now just for the amusement factor. I wouldn't hesitate picking WC3 at all.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/2/2009 7:29:46 AM | message detail
GTA4 will tank against anything with a semblance of strength. Any GTA game would, really.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/2/2009 7:37:08 AM | message detail
I wouldn't go as far as any GTA game. We've seen GTA 4 beat everything but Fallout 3, MGS4, and Brawl (but who'd expect it to beat those three anyway)?

And San Andreas didn't do half bad in the century poll. I think it has a big enough following to at least not discount it 100% against some series.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/2/2009 7:39:56 AM | message detail
GTA4 got absolutely massacred by Fallout 3, who got beaten comfortably by both Brawl and MGS4, neither of which are going to be top 10 games. GTA4 looked like complete ass, there's no getting around that. I'd take San Andreas over 4 yeah, but with everything we've seen come out of the series (or haven't seen, rather), I don't see how you can have confidence in it winning matches against anything important.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2009 12:29:22 PM | message detail
Yeah, GTA4 is between the Fallout 3's and the Gears of War 2's of the contest world...it can win a match, but it's not going to cause major damage anymore.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/2/2009 3:50:07 PM | message detail
I don't know, I think GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas could have decent strength. Not enough to cause any crazy upsets, but I think they could hold their own against a few notable titles. More credit than I'd give GTA4.

So what will happen if nominations are still open at the end of this week?
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/2/2009 4:04:12 PM | message detail
I was really hoping we'd have a bracket today. I miss the days of nominations taking 3 days.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/2/2009 4:14:22 PM | message detail
Told you guys.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/2/2009 4:36:43 PM | message detail
GTA4 withotu question would be the strongest GTA title. Those kinds of games are all about recency... just look at how Tommy Vercetti used to be a mid carder then became fodder once Vice City became forgotten
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/2/2009 4:38:58 PM | message detail
GTA4 may be the strongest GTA title now, but none of them are going to be worth much.....don't expect any of them to outperform MGS2 again.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/2/2009 4:49:20 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #267
GTA4 withotu question would be the strongest GTA title.


Recency may not be the case for SA. I doubt GTA4 could do what it did in that century poll.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/2/2009 4:50:36 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #269
Recency may not be the case for SA. I doubt GTA4 could do what it did in that century poll.


I doubt it could, either. But SA isn't really cared about now, since series like GTA are all about what the most recent one is. Righ now, GTA 4 is wihout a doubt stronger then San Andreas even though San Andreas was stronger at its peak.
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ZFS | Posted 3/2/2009 4:54:19 PM | message detail
Nah. SA would beat GTAIV, recency or not. But I'd agree that I don't expect much out of any of the GTAs anymore - they won't be fodder, but I don't have high hopes for them doing that well. That's one series that's been on a decline here for a while.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/2/2009 4:57:44 PM | message detail
I don't think people should be so down on GTA4 just cuz Fallout 3 killed it. Or do people forget Fallout 3 held its own against MGS4 and SSBB, the two big boys?
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trannyscience | Posted 3/2/2009 4:59:20 PM | message detail
SA rocks 4.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/2/2009 4:59:35 PM | message detail
Nominations are off the front page.
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trannyscience | Posted 3/2/2009 5:00:09 PM | message detail
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TheOceIot | Posted 3/2/2009 5:01:07 PM | message detail
!!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/2/2009 5:01:16 PM | message detail
WOOT
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Gaddswell | Posted 3/2/2009 5:01:28 PM | message detail
It was up just 5 minutes ago!
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/2/2009 5:03:59 PM | message detail
Don't forget to submit your prediction for Predict the Bracket

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=47060375
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ZFS | Posted 3/2/2009 5:04:45 PM | message detail
let's do this

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Ngamer64 | Posted 3/2/2009 5:05:40 PM | message detail
Whoo hoo, Contest season is BACK!

Yes, everyone be sure to submit the 64 games you think will make it to charmander's topic.

ALSO, did anyone get a final count on the number of noms that were submitted? I'm assuming it was a little over 160k.

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Master Moltar | Posted 3/2/2009 5:06:14 PM | message detail
c'mon no bracket tonight

i need to work on 2 papers no way they get done if it goes up
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/2/2009 5:06:21 PM | message detail
I did a count a few days ago. It was 163k+.

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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2009 5:07:30 PM | message detail
Recency or not, GTA:SA was GotY here while GTA4 disappointed beyond belief. I know times have changed for GTA between those years, but GTA:SA beat MGS3 and Halo 2 with ease while GTA4 lost 62-38 to FO3 and is closer to L4D. Heck, compare GTA4's 17.33% to GTA:SA's 13.95% in these two polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3358
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2995

LFF or not, that's a huge change in caliber (how many games in the GotC-poll do you want to take FO3 over?) I also think it will do fair enough despite being older. Fans of the series will probably recognize GTA:SA as being the better of the two since that's what's apparently happening with SSBM/B, and the Top 100 List suggests recency isn't everything within that fanbase (though GTA:SA did the best of GTA's 3D-games, GTA3 also beat GTA:VC).
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2009 5:08:48 PM | message detail
Nominations, down?

...I might fail a midterm because of this. Dammit, yet awesome.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/2/2009 5:09:18 PM | message detail
c'mon no bracket tonight

i need to work on 2 papers no way they get done if it goes up


As glad that I am about nominations being closed I too have a lot of work today. I won't be able to properly discuss the bracket until tomorrow evening.
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Gaddswell | Posted 3/2/2009 5:10:17 PM | message detail
I kinda wish nominations did last until RE5 came out though.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/2/2009 5:10:41 PM | message detail
I did a count a few days ago. It was 163k+.

Hmm. I'd say around 167k-170k seems like a pretty close estimate for how many nominations we got up to before they closed down earlier today.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2009 5:13:41 PM | message detail
Everybody, quick, what three games are you most interested in seeing for the contest (whether it be for bracket placement, favoritism, or just if they made the bracket at all)?
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paulg235 | Posted 3/2/2009 5:14:31 PM | message detail
Now with the noms done, when are we expecting THE actual bracket to be up?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/2/2009 5:14:41 PM | message detail
World of Warcraft
Street Fighter 2
Fallout 3
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/2/2009 5:15:28 PM | message detail
Fire Emblem (fanboyism)
Zelda 1 (so many interesting possibilities)
Super Mario Galaxy (both)
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RustyMrShokka | Posted 3/2/2009 5:16:38 PM | message detail
Mortal Kombat II
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paulg235 | Posted 3/2/2009 5:17:57 PM | message detail
TEKKEN 3
Final Fantasy IX
Super SMash Bros Brawl
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2009 5:18:39 PM | message detail
I'll go with.....

Super Mario 64 (fanboyism)
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (if it makes it or not)
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (bracket placement)
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/2/2009 5:19:31 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy IX
Metal Gear Solid 2
Pokemon Red

Of course, 2/3 are likely not to make it in, but hey.

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red sox 777 | Posted 3/2/2009 5:20:42 PM | message detail
YES YES YES LET'S DO THIS!

Uh....

Chrono Trigger
The Legend of Zelda
Pokemon RBY
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ZFS | Posted 3/2/2009 5:21:06 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy IX, Chrono Trigger, and MGS4, probably. Last one just to see where it's at.

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 3/2/2009 5:21:22 PM | message detail
Majora's Mask
Persona 3 (or 4)
Elite Beat Agents
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/2/2009 5:21:48 PM | message detail
Anyone remember that url we kept on checking last time that showed the bracket?
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