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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 653
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/28/2009 4:36:30 PM | message detail |
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The thing is, that's not reflected in the strengths of the characters - Raiden struggled to beat Sam Fisher
before his MGS4 debut, and pretty much any other character apart from
*maybe* Solidus would be horrible fodder. Meanwhile, no matter what
incarnation he's presented in the protagonist of MGS3 is very popular,
while The Boss passes the fodder line and Major Ocelot is still
arguably the most powerful Ocelot we've ever seen. FF9 is clearly,
easily weaker than FF8 - it has a lot of love, but it's got a fair
amount of detractors as well and tends to be among the "forgotten"
Final Fantasies. MGS is a much smaller series where every main title
gets a LOT more comparative attention than FF, and MGS3's sales are
hardly a factor when you're talking about a site like this. MGS2 has to
win because it's more *liked* than MGS3, and I have a hard time seeing
that happen. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| trannyscience | Posted 2/28/2009 4:37:36 PM | message detail |
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I'll go with MGS3 > MGS2, but using Raiden and Big Boss is an awful way to try and justify it and you know it. --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2009 4:40:09 PM | message detail |
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I'm waiting for HaRRicH to bust out the list to prove MGS3 > MGS2 and FFVIII > FFIX! Okay, FFT vs. FFVIII/FFIX: Who you got? --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 2/28/2009 4:40:18 PM | message detail |
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I know I'm kinda late on the debate of 1v1 vs 4ways, but theres just one more thing I gotta say about why I like it better. 1v1, even if its more "Legitimate", lacks both the votals (most important thing to Bacon, and why 4ways is likely staying), and any interest in matches that are blowouts. For example, who really cares about a Link or Cloud match in round one of 1v1? But you can still get excitement for the second place finisher since that character still advances, so theres a reason to keep up with every days match nearly. But in 1v1, theres no point in even checking a round 1 Link or Cloud match since its a given who will win regardless, and theres no other factors to be interested in. Essentially, it makes nearly every match have some sense of enjoyment instead of just a few. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/02/sf4franken06.jpg |
| MetricTrout | Posted 2/28/2009 4:40:54 PM | message detail |
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OK. So you convinced me MGS3 > MGS2. What about MGS3 vs MGS4? MGS4 got good reviews, is pretty much the only game on the PS3, and sold only 0.7 million less than MGS3. |
| ZFS | Posted 2/28/2009 4:41:02 PM | message detail |
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FFVIII and IX win that easy. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2009 4:42:46 PM | message detail |
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I'll take MGS3 > MGS4, but I don't really know. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/28/2009 4:43:48 PM | message detail |
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Anybody have an explanation as to way MGS underperformed on FF7? --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2009 4:44:21 PM | message detail |
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FFVII owns anything it has anything in common with. Same problem with OoT/GoldenEye. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| ZFS | Posted 2/28/2009 4:45:21 PM | message detail |
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Probably the same thing that happened with OoT/Goldeneye. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| trannyscience | Posted 2/28/2009 4:45:43 PM | message detail |
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'cause MGS sucked in 2004. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1757 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1769 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1775 --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2009 4:46:08 PM | message detail |
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That's also true. Remember when Melee DESTROYED Metal Gear Solid 2? --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/28/2009 4:46:21 PM | message detail |
| I won't concede that. Big Boss, when he's in his
"old" incarnation, is no longer recognizable to voters as a Snake
proxy, yet he 70-30'd Raiden into oblivion. For that to have happened,
the MGS fanbase had to recognize him as Naked Snake, the protagonist of MGS3, and vote for him accordingly. Yes, he can still probably beat Raiden even if MGS3 is weaker than MGS2 - but not that badly. There's a huge consensus there among the fanbase, and MGS2 is, to most, synonymous with Raiden. It still has a presence because of the MGS namesake and because people actually did play and like it, but put it up against MGS and MGS3 and it's probably folding. MGS2's hope is that it has a bigger enough playrate overall to be stronger indirectly, and on this site that's hard to envision. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| ZFS | Posted 2/28/2009 4:46:54 PM | message detail |
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Ha, holy crap Mega Man/Snake. Talk about a turnaround. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/28/2009 4:47:15 PM | message detail |
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Yeah I was figuring that too. It makes MGS/Goldeneye so much more interesting... --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2009 4:47:49 PM | message detail |
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Man, remember when some of us thought MGS2 was possibly stronger than
MGS indirectly? Whew, what were some of us thinking? LOL XSTATS --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/28/2009 4:49:37 PM | message detail |
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That was actually the reason I asked whether or not people thought MGS underperformed or not. Heh. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 2/28/2009 4:50:36 PM | message detail |
| Also, it appears most people here think that MGS should be the strongest in the series. Is there a reason for that? Why would you put it over MGS3 or MGS4? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 2/28/2009 4:51:00 PM | message detail |
| I'm also not really okay with MGS2 performing
worse than Vice City against Melee - barely beating FFT is infinitely
more impressive than that - but Division 128 was really freaking weird
in general. Wow it's enough to make you really really want to see a new Games Contest well too bad that'll never happen --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2009 4:53:44 PM | message detail |
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At the very least, MGS would beat any of the other three directly. There's no doubt it's the most popular of the four. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/28/2009 4:59:24 PM | message detail |
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One other thing about the last game contest is the issue of the poll placement. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2009 5:00:10 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem this time. It hasn't been since then. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Xeybozn | Posted 2/28/2009 5:41:05 PM | message detail |
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What do you guys think of this eightpack? Halo Mega Man 2 Diablo II Half-Life 2 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Sonic 2 Fallout 3 Pokemon Red/Blue |
| ddr_dancer | Posted 2/28/2009 5:42:17 PM | message detail |
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How well do you guys think MGS4 will fare? --- Allow myself to introduce... myself - Austin Powers Faith is the acknowledgment that you have absolutely no justification for the silly **** you believe. |
| Meeks54 | Posted 2/28/2009 5:55:55 PM | message detail |
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From: Xeybozn | #1103 Megaman 2 (Halo is going to get killed by anything so much as associated with Nintendo) Diablo 2, but I am not positive on this, since they are both PC. Sonic 2 Pokemon Red/Blue Megaman 2 Pokemon Red/Blue (though even I admit I may be underestimating Sonic 2) Pokemon Red/Blue. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/28/2009 5:58:28 PM | message detail |
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Halo Mega Man 2 Diablo II Half-Life 2 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Sonic 2 Fallout 3 Pokemon Red/Blue --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/28/2009 6:18:53 PM | message detail |
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Why in the world is this on pace to kill in less than a week --- TurnTurnTurn your brain in. ~*ST*~ Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| charmander6000 | Posted 2/28/2009 7:51:10 PM | message detail |
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Because the bracket will be released on Monday. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Congratulations to FastFalcon for winning the guru contest, you are the best among the best. |
| Big Bob | Posted 2/28/2009 7:54:57 PM | message detail |
| I'll have a feeling that he's not going to release
the bracket until Resident Evil 5 is out. After that, there really
aren't any big-name games coming out in the next few months, and FFXIII
is still a year away. --- Here's our chance for an all-out attack! http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=big_bob |
| MetricTrout | Posted 2/28/2009 7:59:49 PM | message detail |
| Bracket in T - 1 hour? |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/28/2009 8:13:05 PM | message detail |
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Even tonight I don't feel like the bracket will be released on Monday. >_> --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 2/28/2009 8:16:51 PM | message detail |
| We can only hope... |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/28/2009 8:34:02 PM | message detail |
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I've thought for a long time that SSBM overperformed on FFVII....you
can explain the top half of the 128 division with Starcraft having
variable strength, but I just can't see Vice City being that strong.
Not that we'll ever get confirmation on whether this is true or not, as
so much has changed in the past 5 years. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/28/2009 8:42:39 PM | message detail |
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The old game contest stats are weird in general - Div128 is crazily
bunched together, Div32/64 is riddled with SFF, and some of the Div8
titles are crazy high (thinking LoZ and FF in particular). If you say
something like Melee overperformed on FFVII to any significant degree
than you end up with stuff like Zelda 1 over FFX. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/28/2009 8:47:35 PM | message detail |
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And while we're on the subject of FF and Zelda 1, why not rank these? Final Fantasy Final Fantasy VIII Final Fantasy IX Final Fantasy Tactics The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask Wind Waker Super Mario World Super Mario 64 Add FFXII/Galaxy if you're feeling ambitious, but I want to stay away from newer games at the moment. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| ZFS | Posted 2/28/2009 8:49:33 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, the old games stats were just weird when you look at them. I
would expect things to be radically different today for a lot of stuff.
We never really got to see old games against new games either. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| MetricTrout | Posted 2/28/2009 9:01:03 PM | message detail |
| Well, how disappointing. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/28/2009 9:05:48 PM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy VIII The Legend of Zelda Super Mario 64 Super Mario World Final Fantasy Tactics Final Fantasy IX Majora's Mask Wind Waker Final Fantasy I probably think better of Zelda 1 than anyone else here, and I expect it and FF1 to be much farther apart now than they were in 2004. However, I agree that Zelda 1 wasn't close to FFX in 2004, isn't now, and would have lost to FFVIII, FFT, and maybe FFIX back then. The 2004 stats outside the 32/64 division feel very compressed, yes, especially in division 128. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| ZFS | Posted 2/28/2009 9:08:44 PM | message detail |
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Super Mario World Final Fantasy VIII Super Mario 64 Final Fantasy IX Final Fantasy The Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker Majora's Mask Final Fantasy Tactics --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| transience | Posted 2/28/2009 9:27:13 PM | message detail |
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Super Mario 64 Super Mario World The Wind Waker Final Fantasy VIII Final Fantasy IX Majora's Mask The Legend of Zelda Final Fantasy Tactics Final Fantasy --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 2/28/2009 9:30:26 PM | message detail |
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As if we didn't have enough proof of Sonic's stock plummeting, his new game isn't anticipated as much as Madworld (as of now). What is Madworld, anyway? --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| transience | Posted 2/28/2009 9:33:23 PM | message detail |
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go to gametrailers and watch trailers - it's basically the new No More Heroes, made by the people who made Okami. --- xyzzy STREET FIGHTER 4, SON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPKGSk13zo |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/1/2009 7:56:05 AM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy Tactics (Hangs even with MGS, don't know how confident I
am with it over the Marios, but I think it's more respected and
recognized than 8/9) Super Mario 64 (I think SM64 is more memorable and would get more notice than World) Super Mario World (SMB3 and SM64 kinda steal its thunder, so I don't really have faith in it) Final Fantasy VIII (I'm worried I'm underestimating it, but I also feel most of Squall's strength is from KH since we haven't seen Seifer or even Rinoa in the female bracket) Final Fantasy IX (The general fanbase respects this even less than 8, which is a shame) The Legend of Zelda (The game itself is better than FF, gameplays holds up better, more memorable, more played, and ****, did better against SMB3 despite being the same fanbase) Wind Waker (Overshadowed by other Zeldas, people accepted the visual style but that doesn't mean they have to like the game) Final Fantasy (Name and MM apathy will keep this aloft) Majora's Mask (Overrated as **** in this topic, originally I had this and WW over the NES games but I realized those could probably still get some votes) Galaxy crushes FF12 due to random FF12 hate and (now begrudging anti-Nintendo) respect for Galaxy. Would anyone have taken SMB3 or LttP over CT before CTDS and Nintendo anti-hype? Hell, would anyone do it now? --- http://l33trappacat.blogspot.com/ |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/1/2009 8:15:38 AM | message detail |
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I'll grant you, FFT did hang even with Metal Gear Solid. But there's
the issue that 2004 was Snake's worst year. Would it be able to do the
same nowadays, though? I doubt it. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| red sox 777 | Posted 3/1/2009 9:44:19 AM | message detail |
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My CT fanboyism would have kept me from actually taking them in a
bracket to beat CT if we'd had a contest, but I think LTTP, SMB3, and
SSBM were all capable of beating CT from 2006-7 at least, and possibly
2005 and 2008 also (likely, in LTTP's case). There's been a lot of
people in this topic who've said they'd take LTTP over CT even now,
after CTDS, although I don't agree there. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| BombLasagna | Posted 3/1/2009 9:50:26 AM | message detail |
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Yup, that's pretty much the reality of the situation. Is there really
anyone left in FA that we could go feasibly go after that would make a
decent splash here? I can't think of anyone as of the moment. I agree
that something
else needs to be done (hopefully getting Q, though I won't get my hopes
up). I feel like we need to make some sort of addition outside of the
draft, but I honestly don't know where it's going to come from. --- This lasagna is the bomb, yo! hail ec your lord and savior |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/1/2009 9:51:05 AM | message detail |
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what --- Oh fine. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
| BombLasagna | Posted 3/1/2009 9:51:59 AM | message detail |
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you heard me kleenex --- This lasagna is the bomb, yo! hail ec your lord and savior |
| voltch | Posted 3/1/2009 10:17:30 AM | message detail |
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still no bracket?grrrrrrrrr,we're the first goddamnit. someone rank these 3rd and 4th in the series. MGS3 SMB3 GHIII Sonic 3 Halo 3 Warcraft III MP3 RE4 MGS4 FFIV CoD4 GTAIV SFIV SO4 --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| charmander6000 | Posted 3/1/2009 12:16:37 PM | message detail |
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SMB3 MGS3 Halo 3 MP3 Warcraft III Sonic 3 GHIII RE4 MGS4 FFIV CoD4 GTAIV SFIV SO4 --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Congratulations to FastFalcon for winning the guru contest, you are the best among the best. |
