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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 653

ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 4:58:29 PM | message detail
And I wouldn't be that worried about taking FFVI over anything recent. FFX is just a special case because it's aged so well and you're putting new Square against old Square. But if it's FFVI vs. TP? I go FFVI every time there. I think it has fallen off some, but nothing crazy. It'd still put up good numbers against LttP today.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 4:58:58 PM | message detail
Hey, I liked it (and I think I voted for it in that poll), but it was definitely still a NES game and that seemed to have turned a lot of people off.
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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2009 4:59:10 PM | message detail
I'm bored, here's an eightpack

1 Metal Gear Solid 3
8 Final Fantasy IX

4 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
5 Metroid Prime

3 Kingdom Hearts 2
6 Super Smash Bros Brawl

2 Super Mario Galaxy
7 Zelda: Wind Waker
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/27/2009 4:59:31 PM | message detail
It'd still put up good numbers against LttP today.

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voltch | Posted 2/27/2009 4:59:32 PM | message detail
FFVI vs RE4/CoD4/GHIII?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:00:39 PM | message detail
1 Metal Gear Solid 3
8 Final Fantasy IX

4 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
5 Metroid Prime

3 Kingdom Hearts 2
6 Super Smash Bros Brawl

2 Super Mario Galaxy
7 Zelda: Wind Waker
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:01:54 PM | message detail
1 Metal Gear Solid 3
8 Final Fantasy IX

4 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
5 Metroid Prime

3 Kingdom Hearts 2
6 Super Smash Bros Brawl

2 Super Mario Galaxy
7 Zelda: Wind Waker

...Maybe!

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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2009 5:02:20 PM | message detail
so if I'm reading you right, HM... MGS4 > MGS3?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 5:04:07 PM | message detail
1 Metal Gear Solid 3
8 Final Fantasy IX

Eh, why not? I'll take the upset! FFIX is a tricky customer...

4 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
5 Metroid Prime

I don't put any stock into GTA anymore until it proves otherwise. The site shift back in 2005 seems to have hit GTA just about as hard as any series.

3 Kingdom Hearts 2
6 Super Smash Bros Brawl

Honestly, this is an easy call for me. Brawl disappointed in the GOTY polls, but it's not losing to a Kingdom Hearts game.

2 Super Mario Galaxy
7 Zelda: Wind Waker

Hey, Mario games can beat Zelda games, and this one will be no exception!

FFIX > Metroid Prime

Eh, Samus is a big name, but she's bigger than Metroid. I won't take MP over a major franchise name.

SSBB > Galaxy

This is hard to say because the Mario series beat the Smash Bros. series a couple of years ago, but I don't really expect Galaxy to be THAT strong.

SSBB > FFIX

FFIX isn't going to be THAT strong...
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:06:12 PM | message detail
Who knows. I feel good about FFIX > MGS3, but I have a hard time seeing it over Brawl for some reason. Dunno why.

Brutal pack you came up with here.

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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2009 5:08:16 PM | message detail
hmm, thought people were down on Brawl enough to make it lose here. let's try this again -

1 Mario 64
8 Metal Gear Solid 4

4 Super Smash Bros Brawl
5 Final Fantasy 6

3 Resident Evil 4
6 Super Mario World

2 Metal Gear Solid
7 Goldeneye
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 5:08:28 PM | message detail
Eh, the only really difficult matches are the first one and the last one, in my opinion. darn you ffix
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:09:16 PM | message detail
Although thinking about it, I'd take FFIX over MGS4 in a heartbeat. Time to work some bias and take FFIX > Brawl.

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charmander6000 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:10:10 PM | message detail
I may be underestimating FFIX, but I see it as almost a full tier below these other games.
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:10:31 PM | message detail
1 Mario 64
8 Metal Gear Solid 4

4 Super Smash Bros Brawl
5 Final Fantasy 6

3 Resident Evil 4
6 Super Mario World

2 Metal Gear Solid
7 Goldeneye

This pack is pretty easy, I think.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/27/2009 5:10:58 PM | message detail
1 Metal Gear Solid 3
8 Final Fantasy IX

4 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
5 Metroid Prime

3 Kingdom Hearts 2
6 Super Smash Bros Brawl

2 Super Mario Galaxy
7 Zelda: Wind Waker
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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2009 5:11:06 PM | message detail
it's that FF franchise vote that you can't underestimate. remember, FFT went even with MGS and FF1 got that 40%.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 5:11:07 PM | message detail
1 Mario 64
8 Metal Gear Solid 4

4 Super Smash Bros Brawl
5 Final Fantasy 6

3 Resident Evil 4
6 Super Mario World

2 Metal Gear Solid
7 Goldeneye

Mario 64 should get enough franchise voting to get past MGS4, but I think FFVI has enough strength to take it out. I don't think it's worth 45% or so on LttP indirectly, and neither is Brawl...

As much as I think RE4's got great potential, I think it'll fold to a classic name like Mario World. Taking MGS to win just because...
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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:14:59 PM | message detail
1 Metal Gear Solid 3
8 Final Fantasy IX

I don't know how to judge either of these, but I'm loth to trust FFIX to do anything.

4 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
5 Metroid Prime

Similarly, I'm wary of Prime but I'm not picking GTA in a match it could lose.

3 Kingdom Hearts 2
6 Super Smash Bros Brawl

I don't know what to think about KH/II...the series did moderately well and Sora's got a lot going for him, but I don't think I'd pick either game over much.

2 Super Mario Galaxy
7 Zelda: Wind Waker

People seem to forget that WW did pretty good in 2k4, and it's got the definite series advantage here, but my heart and that Century poll say Galaxy.

1 Metal Gear Solid 3
5 Metroid Prime

I don't even know what to say about this.

6 Super Smash Bros Brawl
2 Super Mario Galaxy

Brawl was hyped beyond belief and Galaxy was, like, anti-hyped, so this is a rather weird match. How sweet it would be if the tides had turned, but I don't think they have.

1 Metal Gear Solid 3
6 Super Smash Bros Brawl

I haven't the slightest idea how to order MGS2/3/4, so I'll take the game that beat one of them already.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/27/2009 5:15:57 PM | message detail
1 Mario 64
8 Metal Gear Solid 4

4 Super Smash Bros Brawl
5 Final Fantasy 6

3 Resident Evil 4
6 Super Mario World

2 Metal Gear Solid
7 Goldeneye
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:16:46 PM | message detail
I may be underestimating FFIX, but I see it as almost a full tier below these other games.

Really? I'd agree with you if we were talking about the TP/FFX/RE4/MGS1/Goldeneye group, but most of those games are a tier down. That's where I'd expect FFIX to hang around; it's one of those games that'll do really well if it gets in, because there's a lot of people who love it, even if it's not the most popular game, and it'll get a lot of support just by being FF. FFVIII should probably be around there, too.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:17:22 PM | message detail
it's that FF franchise vote that you can't underestimate. remember, FFT went even with MGS and FF1 got that 40%.

That was four years ago. We just had a game with Final Fantasy VII in its title nab all of 5% in the GotY poll.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:18:32 PM | message detail
Er, five years ago. Particularly seeing how long it's taking for this contest actually start.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 5:18:36 PM | message detail
That was four years ago. We just had a game with Final Fantasy VII in its title nab all of 5% in the GotY poll.

We've also had Zelda games bomb in GotY polls, too. They're different beasts.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:19:04 PM | message detail
Right, and I wouldn't trust Majora's Mask anymore than I'd trust FFIX.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 5:19:07 PM | message detail
Psh, FFVIII is above FFIX!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:21:19 PM | message detail
It almost certainly is (and FFVIII/MGS3 would give me more of a pause), but that's not the point. I'm not picking FFIX over something good just because it's got FF in the title.
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:21:34 PM | message detail
FFIX over FFVIII indirectly for the upset !

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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2009 5:21:43 PM | message detail
yeah, not buying that reasoning - Crisis Core is a different beast from a mainline title. Minish Cap got killed in 2003, even losing to Mario Kart - that didn't mean anything for Wind Waker.
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:22:23 PM | message detail
Well, there's a difference between picking something just because it has FF in the title, and picking something that has other things going for it on top of that. The whole Crisis Core thing doesn't really fly to me. That's not the same thing at all, really.

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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2009 5:23:07 PM | message detail
here's a weird fourpack

1 Super Smash Bros Melee
4 Twilight Princess

2 Link to the Past
3 Mario 3
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:23:20 PM | message detail
Not just Majora's Mask. LTTP's GBA Remake only garnered 3% in a GOTY poll. SMB3's GBA Remake......didn't even make it to the Overall GOTY poll, getting nearly quadrupled by Final Fantasy Tactics Advance in the GBA poll. That was SquareFAQs at its height, but I really wouldn't draw anything from CTDS and Crisis Core's performance in the GOTY poll.
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:24:07 PM | message detail
I'd feel good about LttP > Melee there.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:24:14 PM | message detail
I don't think WW relies on series votes, though, whereas FFIX would (despite being the best 3D FF!).
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:24:55 PM | message detail
LTTP > Melee, without much difficulty.
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:25:22 PM | message detail
Not sure how FFIX relies on franchise voting, but then TWW doesn't.

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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2009 5:26:54 PM | message detail
I can't say I see a difference there. FF9 is not some unknown game. it consistently gets as many FAQ hits as FF8 (it's currently above FF8 actually). its characters aren't as strong as Squall, but don't have a leading role in KH to their credit either. Zidane and Vivi still beat Kefka and company and everyone seems to give FF6 its due.

FF9'll be fine. I wouldn't take it to win the pack but it's not a weakling.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 5:28:21 PM | message detail
FFIX over FFVIII indirectly for the upset !

Yeah, right! I miss the days when you didn't like FFIX!

As for the fourpack: LttP > TP

Link to the Past already proved to be stronger than Mario 3 indirectly, so I don't think it's going to lose directly. I can't see TP struggling to beat MGS4 either.
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:29:33 PM | message detail
Wrong Smash!

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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 5:29:39 PM | message detail
I dunno, I think of FFIX pretty far down the FF chain. Remember that modern FF poll where it barely scraped by XII?
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Yesmar | Posted 2/27/2009 5:34:41 PM | message detail
I would be wary of FFVI if only because what we saw back in 04 had the benefit of the lowered poll placement behind it. Look at what that did for Crono.
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ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 5:35:56 PM | message detail
Yeah, but that was right after FFXII had come out. I think it'd probably drop off a good bit if it got ran again today.

But those modern FF polls are always trouble because FFVII's there hogging almost half the vote. Need a "What's your favorite non-FFVII Final Fantasy"

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trannyscience | Posted 2/27/2009 5:42:16 PM | message detail
What's your favorite Zelda game?

Legend of Zelda 8.95% 4721
Link to the Past 29.39% 15505
Link's Awakening 4.83% 2547
Majora's Mask 5.1% 2691
Ocarina of Time 41.41% 21849
Oracle of Ages/Seasons 2.38% 1257
Wind Waker 4.96% 2618
Zelda II: Adventure of Link 2.98% 1574
TOTAL VOTES 52762

I don't see anyone using this to argue against Wind Waker.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 5:55:02 PM | message detail
We need some new Favorite (Game) polls, especially in anticipation of this new contest!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/27/2009 6:10:23 PM | message detail
1 Mario 64
8 Metal Gear Solid 4

Not even close.

4 Super Smash Bros Brawl
5 Final Fantasy 6

Ditto.

3 Resident Evil 4
6 Super Mario World

Nice forcing of a trap match.

2 Metal Gear Solid
7 Goldeneye

Ditto again.

1 Mario 64
4 Super Smash Bros Brawl
6 Super Mario World
2 Metal Gear Solid

No real basis for this.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 6:11:25 PM | message detail
If Mario 64 and Mario World face head-to-head, Mario World's gonna win! Just so you know...
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/27/2009 6:13:52 PM | message detail
1 Mario 64
8 Metal Gear Solid 4

4 Super Smash Bros Brawl
5 Final Fantasy 6

3 Resident Evil 4
6 Super Mario World

2 Metal Gear Solid
7 Goldeneye

I can see FFVI/MGS going either way; going with MGS due to how impressive Snake has been recently.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/27/2009 6:24:18 PM | message detail
1 Metal Gear Solid 3
8 Final Fantasy IX

4 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
5 Metroid Prime

3 Kingdom Hearts 2
6 Super Smash Bros Brawl

2 Super Mario Galaxy
7 Zelda: Wind Waker


FF9 > MGS3 (I'm just putting my fath in Square here)
MP > GTA: San Andreas > (I'm not going to trust GTA)
Brawl > KH2 (I dunno)
SMG > Wind Waker (Wind Waker's performance on Metroid Prime was TERRIBLE. And considering it's a Zelda game? No way in hell I'm going to give Wind Waker a chance here.)

FF9 > Prime (Samus is a big name, but I doubt that one of her games can stand up to a Final Fantasy title.)
Brawl > Galaxy (Another coin flip.)

Brawl > FF9 (I have no idea)
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/27/2009 6:46:10 PM | message detail
heh. Brawl over FF6? Interesting. I'd barely take Melee over it.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/27/2009 7:24:07 PM | message detail
In a tossup match, I'm going with recentcy most of the time.

And WTF is wrong with Nall?

Why do you humans crave those things (Dragon Diamonds) so much? Don't you know they're made from my ****?
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