GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 653
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/26/2009 4:38:33 PM | message detail |
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WE WANT THE DAMN BRACKET! ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories ~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~ http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html ~*aprosenf's poll script*~ http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. --- TurnTurnTurn your brain in. ~*ST*~ Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| Meeks54 | Posted 2/26/2009 5:03:51 PM | message detail |
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Can't wait for Chrono Trigger vs A Link to the Past II. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/26/2009 5:09:32 PM | message detail |
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Can't wait for FFX/SSBM - The Revenge! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/27/2009 12:20:02 PM | message detail |
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You really think FFX could win that? --- TurnTurnTurn your brain in. ~*ST*~ Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| voltch | Posted 2/27/2009 12:24:59 PM | message detail |
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no wai,but FFX vs brawl/galaxy/twilight princess are things i want to see. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| Big Bob | Posted 2/27/2009 12:43:09 PM | message detail |
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Persona 3 for the win! --- Here's our chance for an all-out attack! http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=big_bob |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/27/2009 12:44:37 PM | message detail |
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I'm one SSBM voter who'll be voting FFX this time! We just need...a few hundred more. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:07:14 PM | message detail |
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Squall went up against a noble niner in the first round in 2002. Thats hardly a fair comparison. It's not like he would have performed any better had he gone up against one in the second round. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Congratulations to FastFalcon for winning the guru contest, you are the best among the best. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/27/2009 1:07:55 PM | message detail |
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Tag --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:09:52 PM | message detail |
| Things can change a lot- you don't have to go as
far back as 2002 to show it either. Look at Snake- went from losing
57-43 to Megaman in 2004 to beating him 55-45 in 2006. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| Meeks54 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:15:36 PM | message detail |
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From: voltch | #005 So you want to see FFX get mercilessly beat then? Personally, I want X to dodge big Nintendo games and VII/VI/CT/RE 4 as long as it can, other wise it is going home early. And that game deserves to go far. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 1:18:39 PM | message detail |
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MWC'd FFX beats Brawl/Galaxy/RE4 easy. It should have a close match with TP, but I dunno if it'd win that one. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:19:31 PM | message detail |
| FFX should probably be the favorite against
Brawl/TP/Galaxy/RE4 at this point, and has a good shot against FFVI
also. I'm not taking it against the top 6, but it has an (far) outside
chance against Melee if the Deboost hit it really hard. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 2/27/2009 1:19:32 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Galaxy over FF10 in an incredibly close match --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 1:22:33 PM | message detail |
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FFVI would be a weird match because of SFF. Indirectly, I think FFVI is
still a bit stronger, but who knows what happens when they get together. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| Mr3790 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:33:54 PM | message detail |
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I'd also ake Galaxy over FFX. Unless Galaxy is really disappointing. --- AC:WW Code: Name:Mr.378 Town:Darkcity FC: 4210-5769-8462 GENO WHIRL! |
| Meeks54 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:39:32 PM | message detail |
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Galaxy would have to be Kingdom Hearts disappointing to to get taken
out by X I should say. (Someone has to be this contests Kingdom Hearts
though, could be Galaxy, I'd put my money on GTA 4 though) Here is a question though? Indirectly (since we can guess where the SFF would fall) Galaxy vs Twilight Princess. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| charmander6000 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:45:30 PM | message detail |
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I don't think it will be GTAIV since we're all expecting it to fail. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Congratulations to FastFalcon for winning the guru contest, you are the best among the best. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:49:16 PM | message detail |
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Uh....what? FFX is much much stronger than Kingdom Hearts --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| Meeks54 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:51:12 PM | message detail |
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From: red sox 777 | #059 I was not saying it isn't. What I am saying is, that Galaxy would have to disappoint like Kingdom Hearts (hugely successful well reviewed hyped game that we think will do well but just dies for some reason) --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/27/2009 1:57:47 PM | message detail |
| How exactly did KH disappoint? Cloud won the
contest, Sephiroth curbstomped Mario with over 61%, Squall crushed
Luigi with over 60%.....unless you mean its performance in the Games
Contest. But why would SMG be expected to do better than FFX in the
first place- do you think it's stronger than SMW and SM64? --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| Meeks54 | Posted 2/27/2009 2:02:41 PM | message detail |
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From: red sox 777 | #101 I of course mean in the games contest. Why would I be talking about the character contest right now? I actually think the better question might be how weak do you think SMW and SM 64 are for losing to 2 of the 4 strongest games on the site? I would put Galaxy a bit below 64, but I would think 64 (probably second strongest Mario game) would take X with little problems. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/27/2009 2:28:10 PM | message detail |
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FFX > Galaxy seems like an easy pick to me. I doubt it'd considerably better than World or 64. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 3:50:12 PM | message detail |
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Galaxy would have to be Kingdom Hearts disappointing to to get taken out by X I should say. Ha. I'm not sure whether you're overestimating Galaxy or underestimating FFX, but man, this is pretty off. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 2/27/2009 4:07:12 PM | message detail |
| Reading Gamestop a few minutes ago, the story
about FF4 sequel coming to Wii (**** yes), it seems most of the
comments were people pissed over Square-Enix's obsession with remaking
older games while ignoring FF7. If FF13 disappoints and Square neglects the fans' outcries of FF7 for PS3, would we eventually see anti-Square sentiment just as we have Nintendo? Will 2009 be the year we see Capcom breaking N9's and Snake defeating Mario and/or Sephiroth 1v1? Will the large anti-Nintendo sentiment affect older Nintendo games like SMB3, OoT, and SSBM, or will Nintendo redeem itself by the time we finally have the games contest in 2011? --- http://l33trappacat.blogspot.com/ |
| voltch | Posted 2/27/2009 4:21:49 PM | message detail |
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ya know X vs VI i'd take X,cos old FFs tend to really stink it up. I really do wonder what IV's maximum strength is right now. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/27/2009 4:24:42 PM | message detail |
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X vs VI probably would have been 50/50 four years ago. I'd take X just for it standing strong longer. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 4:26:29 PM | message detail |
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Standing strong longer? --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/27/2009 4:28:06 PM | message detail |
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Well, you know what I mean. FFVI seems like the kind of game to me to
lose more ground as time passes in comparison to something recent like
FFX. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| voltch | Posted 2/27/2009 4:28:47 PM | message detail |
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? oh and for XIII,i don't think it'll flop,cyberpunk FFs can only be a good thing. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 4:30:32 PM | message detail |
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FFVI probably hasn't dropped all that much since the last games
contest. Definitely not as strong as it was, but it hasn't dropped off
the map or anything. But FFX would probably win 1v1 just because it's
new Square. I wouldn't be too surprised if FFVI gets the SFF in that
one, though. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| voltch | Posted 2/27/2009 4:34:28 PM | message detail |
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FFVI is the only part of the game that doesn't suck in a gamefaqs
contest.....the game itself,weird how the characters all fail abysmally. come to think of it,who is the strongest character to come from a proper ensemble cast? --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 4:38:15 PM | message detail |
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You really think FFX could win that? Eh, probably not, but still, it's an upset pick that COULD be worth taking! Like CT > LttP again! And I don't really expect Galaxy to do that great, as much as I love it. We need a new Favorite Mario Bros. Game poll though. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 4:39:48 PM | message detail |
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I don't know, I definitely don't think FFVI would put up 47% on LttP in
a rematch. We haven't had a favourite FF poll in ages so it's hard to
back this up, but just looking at what happened to CT over the last
couple of years (and Sonic and Mega Man and the other characters that
were biggest in the NES/SNES era) I'd be pretty nervous about picking
it over newer games. (I would anyway because I love FFVI, but still.) --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 4:42:43 PM | message detail |
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Oh, it definitely wouldn't put up 47% on LttP again, but it wouldn't do that much worse either, I don't think. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| voltch | Posted 2/27/2009 4:45:45 PM | message detail |
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wait,why would FFVI do worse on lttp? let's not overestimate that game,it's strong,but if an older game like VI is expected to drop in popularity,why shouldn't the same happen to Lttp? afterall we just established that in spite of link remaining top dog,square's years have been more impressive recently than nintendo's. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/27/2009 4:47:52 PM | message detail |
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because 2004 was still a year of square domination. not to mention that with CT dropping its characters, the same thing could happen to FFVI characters since they share somewhat a fanabase. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 4:48:39 PM | message detail |
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Kefka's never been that impressive to begin with, but he's seemed less impressive in recent years. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/27/2009 4:49:10 PM | message detail |
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So I finally started playing Lunar SSSC. If I ever manage to win another guru contest, I'm so getting Nall into a contest. --- TurnTurnTurn your brain in. ~*ST*~ Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 4:50:13 PM | message detail |
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Kefka's seemed about the same as he always is - weak and unimpressive,
but always gets put in matches you think he should be able to win! --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| voltch | Posted 2/27/2009 4:50:16 PM | message detail |
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i still think that even if the characters go down,the game itself should remain very powerful. heck Dissidia alone could keep 47% for FFVI vs Lttp,which is apparently immune to a drop over time. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/27/2009 4:51:13 PM | message detail |
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If I ever manage to win another guru contest, I'm so getting Nall into a contest. Oh good lord. --- Oh fine. http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w333/usagiaruku/1224857053726.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 2/27/2009 4:54:06 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, didn't FF3/6 have a well-received remake for the DS in recent years? --- Play Super Robot Taisen: Original Generation (1 and 2) for Gameboy Advance today |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 4:54:10 PM | message detail |
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The same sort of thing could very well happen with LttP (and Mario 3
while we're at it), but I don't think it would be anywhere as bad as
FFVI. Plus, LttP has further to fall than FFVI before it starts running
into challengers and Mario 3 is goddamn Mario 3; everyone's played it
no matter how old they are (94% in 2005, that's ridiculous). By the
way, by similar logic as LttP - it's got too far to fall before hitting
trouble -- I'd still feel very comfortable taking CT over anything
recent. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 4:54:11 PM | message detail |
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Kefka's seemed about the same as he always is - weak and
unimpressive, but always gets put in matches you think he should be
able to win! I dunno. He doesn't seem like he should be losing to the Marcus Fenixes, Duke Nukems, and Niko Bellics of the world, at least it didn't seem like it in 2005. After all, he almost beat Tommy Vercetti then. I think I'd probably take Pac-Man in a rematch, too! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 4:54:56 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, didn't FF3/6 have a well-received remake for the DS in recent years? Nah, just a GBA port. The ACTUAL Final Fantasy III had a DS remake though. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 4:54:59 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, didn't FF3/6 have a well-received remake for the DS in recent years? Off by 2 error, that was FFIV. VI had a GBA port a few years ago but it doesn't seem to have done anything for Kefka, that's for sure. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| ZFS | Posted 2/27/2009 4:55:54 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, didn't FF3/6 have a well-received remake for the DS in recent years? That was the original FFIII, not FFVI. We're still another game away before they get to doing a FFVI remake, if they ever do. It did have a GBA port that came and went a couple of years ago, though. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 2/27/2009 4:56:37 PM | message detail |
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See, "well-received" made me think FFIV and not (the real) FFIII, which would otherwise make more sense. <_< --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/27/2009 4:57:27 PM | message detail |
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Well, it almost beat NSMB in that GotY poll though! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
