GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 652
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/9/2009 6:31:27 PM | message detail |
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February 21st is my birthday, I totally expect the bracket as a present! ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories ~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~ http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html ~*aprosenf's poll script*~ http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. --- TurnTurnTurn your brain in. ~*ST*~ Now Playing: MGS: Portable Ops, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| greatone10 | Posted 2/9/2009 6:35:17 PM | message detail |
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Screw that, I don't want to wait until Feb 21. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. I hereby bow to FastFalcon who FastFalcon Punched my bracket. |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 2/9/2009 9:23:10 PM | message detail |
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tagalag --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 2/9/2009 9:23:27 PM | message detail |
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first --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
| TheOceIot | Posted 2/9/2009 9:25:11 PM | message detail |
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Considering how little SBAllen seems to care about cheating (and
contests in general) I'm half expecting Starcraft or WoW to blatantly
cheat their way to victory. That's assuming this contest actually
happens. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://img.imgcake.com/ducks1.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2009 9:28:05 PM | message detail |
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Let's see where most people think Brawl falls nowadays... Final Fantasy X vs. Brawl Resident Evil 4 vs. Brawl Metal Gear Solid vs. Brawl Majora's Mask vs. Brawl Metal Gear Solid 4 vs. Brawl --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| PunchingPower | Posted 2/9/2009 9:33:16 PM | message detail |
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| PunchingPower | Posted 2/9/2009 9:33:53 PM | message detail |
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FFX RE4 MGS MM Brawl I know that a contest scenario is different than what we saw a few weeks ago, but what we saw a few weeks ago was still bad. Really bad. GameFAQs as a whole, like many of the Internet's other gaming-friendly corners, has largely cast off the Wii. As the console's biggest, most anticipated, and ultimately most disappointing game, I think Brawl will take the brunt of our ire. EATS IT, NINTENDO. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/9/2009 9:37:27 PM | message detail |
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From: TheOceIot | Posted: 2/10/2009 12:25:11 AM | #005 I have first hand account that he really does care, he's just been really busy. --- TurnTurnTurn your brain in. ~*ST*~ Now Playing: MGS: Portable Ops, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 2/9/2009 9:39:32 PM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy X vs. Brawl Resident Evil 4 vs. Brawl Metal Gear Solid vs. Brawl Majora's Mask vs. Brawl Metal Gear Solid 4 vs. Brawl Brawl Brawl Metal Gear Solid Brawl Brawl --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| TheOceIot | Posted 2/9/2009 9:42:40 PM | message detail |
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I understand that he is busy but it wouldn't kill him to put up a
banner. And I really don't think he cares about cheating judging by the
last CB. Let's see where most people think Brawl falls nowadays... Final Fantasy X vs. Brawl Resident Evil 4 vs. Brawl Metal Gear Solid vs. Brawl Majora's Mask vs. Brawl Metal Gear Solid 4 vs. Brawl FFX Brawl Brawl MM Brawl --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://img.imgcake.com/ducks1.jpg |
| ExDeeThaNemesis | Posted 2/9/2009 9:45:45 PM | message detail |
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Brawl Brawl MGS Brawl MGS4 --- WarThaNemesis is the man. GO AND ¬_¬!!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/lolspurs.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2009 9:48:01 PM | message detail |
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FFX RE4 MGS MM Brawl Here's someone who knows what's up. Don't think Brawl can hang with any of the top/upper tier stuff, though it might be able to pull out a win against something like Majora's Mask, because who knows where that game lands. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/9/2009 9:49:11 PM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy X vs. Brawl Resident Evil 4 vs. Brawl Metal Gear Solid vs. Brawl Majora's Mask vs. Brawl Metal Gear Solid 4 vs. Brawl FFX (Something tells me that it might be out of Brawl's reach) RE4 MGS Brawl (Majora's Mask is at best around Wind Waker's level, though it's probably even weaker. I can't really see any reason for MM to be stronger at all.) Brawl --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 2/9/2009 9:53:46 PM | message detail |
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My prediction is FFX hasn't aged well and RE5 will drain enough strength and attention away from RE4 that Brawl could beat it. --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/9/2009 9:55:05 PM | message detail |
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Time to see who really knows what's up. Chrono Trigger vs. Brawl Chrono Trigger vs. Melee Chrono Trigger vs. Mario 3 Chrono Trigger vs. Twilight Princess Chrono Trigger vs. Link to the Past --- Oh fine. http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w333/usagiaruku/1224857053726.jpg |
| ExDeeThaNemesis | Posted 2/9/2009 9:55:54 PM | message detail |
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Trigger Trigger Trigger Trigger ...LttP ;_; --- WarThaNemesis is the man. GO AND ¬_¬!!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/lolspurs.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2009 9:56:35 PM | message detail |
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Don't know why you would think FFX hasn't aged well. If anything, I
expect to see it stronger today than it was back in '04. It's one of
those games that gets more love as time goes on. --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 2/9/2009 9:56:54 PM | message detail |
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I'd literally take Chrono Trigger over all of those, even LTTP again --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HaRRicH | Posted 2/9/2009 9:57:56 PM | message detail |
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FFX, RE4, MGS, SSBB, SSBB. RE4 is the only one that has a chance to be
upset, which I'm not buying. That said...I'm not taking LoZ:MM >
SSBB. How do people feel about SMG/LoZ:MM? --- Play Super Robot Taisen: Original Generation (1 and 2) for Gameboy Advance today |
| TheOceIot | Posted 2/9/2009 9:58:05 PM | message detail |
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A year ago I would have taken LTTP over CT but I'd probably take CT now. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://img.imgcake.com/ducks1.jpg |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 2/9/2009 9:58:12 PM | message detail |
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Don't know why you would think FFX hasn't aged well. If anything, I
expect to see it stronger today than it was back in '04. It's one of
those games that gets more love as time goes on. I just have a feeling much of the core Squeenix fanbase has changed over time, but he,y maybe your right. --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 2/9/2009 9:58:52 PM | message detail |
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take Galaxy over MM I see MM being on WW level also --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| ZFS | Posted 2/9/2009 10:00:42 PM | message detail |
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Trigger Melee Trigger Trigger LTTP woo --- Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! |
| PunchingPower | Posted 2/9/2009 10:01:25 PM | message detail |
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I beg to differ about FFX "not aging well." As HM said, it may even be
stronger now, if anything. FFXII flopped, which means that X is still
the most recent "bigtime" Final Fantasy title. By the time XIII comes
out, X will have had the spotlight all to itself for nearly a decade. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 2/9/2009 10:06:13 PM | message detail |
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When in doubt, take the newer game. --- Better to ask than to speculate |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/9/2009 10:12:09 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and I'd take Galaxy over MM as well. Once again: TP vs. Brawl Galaxy vs. Brawl Galaxy vs. TP Who ya got? --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/9/2009 10:13:44 PM | message detail |
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Chrono Trigger over all of those. FFX Brawl MGS Brawl Brawl --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/10/2009 5:31:45 AM | message detail |
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I'll just say this: Anyone who thinks Majora's Mask has even the
slightest chance to beat Brawl either thinks way too much of Majora's
Mask or way too little of Brawl. MM is a lower tier Zelda (although
lower tier Zelda is still strong), and Brawl is still going to be a
strong game. Yeah, MGS4 got closer to it than we thought, but
seriously, how many matches in Division 128 were just really close?
That just seems to be the case with the last two generations. It's hard
to get separation, it seems. Every other one is debatable, I think. Brawl could honestly beat all of them, though I wouldn't take it. And Chrono Trigger over all of them! Twilight Princess > Brawl > Galaxy, also. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| GameZACKS | Posted 2/10/2009 7:05:07 AM | message detail |
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While X may have plenty of reasons to age well, the site as a whole
shifting away from square doesn't elicit too much confidence in it
outperforming itself from 2004. That was the last year of Square
domination. --- GAMEZACKS |
| transience | Posted 2/10/2009 7:07:53 AM | message detail |
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Majora's Mask has no chance there. every other game should take Brawl. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/10/2009 7:40:10 AM | message detail |
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Square did fine for itself last year, and besides, the site being less
Nintendo-centric means FFX becomes proportionally stronger in a sense! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/10/2009 8:37:09 AM | message detail |
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I'm a little wary of RE4 > Brawl. While I'd love for it to happen,
and I'd probably take games of comparable strength over Brawl, that
particular matchup doesn't feel right for some reason. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/10/2009 9:24:04 AM | message detail |
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i'd take RE4 > Brawl but if Brawl won i wouldn't be surprised. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 2/10/2009 10:02:07 AM | message detail |
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Brawl would beat the last four for sure, but Brawl VS FFX is a tough
one for me. I could see it going either way. I'd probably just pick
Brawl for fanboyism's sake, but definitely one I wouldn't feel
comfortable with. I think TP is a tad underrated. Yeah, it's not the game we expected would dethrone FF7 or even OoT, but I still think it could beat Chrono Trigger. Don't know if LttP would net the upset though, since CTDS is more recent and LttP hasn't had anything since its VC release a couple years ago. CT vs Brawl, I'd also have a tough time with but I guess I'd go CT since I'd still put it above FFX. Should beat Melee and SMB3 with ease, though. Majora's Mask wouldn't even be Wind Waker's level. Just because a vocal minority loves it doesn't mean ****. Lots of people hated the three-day system and everyone usually ignores it in favor of OoT anyway. It's like the FF8 of the Zelda series. Yeah, most people on GameFAQs like the main character but are so apathetic about the game itself that they don't even bother acknowledging it in a contest setting. No Seifer in Villain's? No Rinoa in Female's? Yeah, it's clear Squall gets all his strength from KH. --- Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 Fallout 3 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/10/2009 10:05:09 AM | message detail |
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i cant see MGS4 even coming close to CT, so yeah, I'd take it over Brawl easily. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/10/2009 10:06:18 AM | message detail |
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also I think MM has potential but not a lot. there really is little evidence supporting that it'd be weak, though. but after seeing MGS4, fanbase voting is still a force. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/10/2009 10:10:02 AM | message detail |
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TP would not beat Chrono Trigger, it's the Final Fantasy 9 of the Zelda series. --- TurnTurnTurn your brain in. ~*ST*~ Now Playing: MGS: Portable Ops, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| HaRRicH | Posted 2/10/2009 10:38:24 AM | message detail |
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it the FF9 of the LoZ series is fair when it likely beats the FFX of
the FF-series..... --- Play Super Robot Taisen: Original Generation (1 and 2) for Gameboy Advance today |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/10/2009 11:24:45 AM | message detail |
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TP and Brawl would not come close to CT, and TP would get beat down by LTTP. And of course, Melee > Brawl! --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 2/10/2009 11:27:54 AM | message detail |
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I can see MM being fairly strong (anyone want to join me on the Zelda 1
> SMW/SM64/MGS4 upset train?), but I don't like MM's chances against
something that should be higher on the Nintendo SFF chain (Brawl).
That, and Zelda 1 > MM, I think, meaning I wouldn't entertain MM
over those Mario games. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 2/10/2009 12:15:55 PM | message detail |
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FFIX: worst-selling FF in the last decade TP: best-selling Zelda in the last decade, has a good chance of becoming the best-selling Zelda ever. Not seeing the comparison there. Maybe MGS2 would be a better comparison: great reviews, tons of hype, huge sales, fanbase somewhat disappointed. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/10/2009 12:28:58 PM | message detail |
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Majora's Mask absolutely has a shot against Brawl. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| GameZACKS | Posted 2/10/2009 12:31:06 PM | message detail |
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worst game ever vs. best game ever how do you figure --- GAMEZACKS |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/10/2009 12:33:41 PM | message detail |
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Barely putting up 52% against a game most of the site hasn't played is
a bad sign; it means you're getting significantly anti-voted, and
that's bad news for Brawl. Plus, I don't think we've ever seen how
Smash stands up to Zelda SFF. That alone gives Majora's Mask, which is
a pretty unknown quantity in and of itself, a shot. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 2/10/2009 12:56:45 PM | message detail |
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But any and every poll we've ever seen MM in has been...well,
underwhelming, to say the least. And MGS4 is mostly franchise voting,
and everyone knows it. And WW is the FFIX of the Zelda series, if anything. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 2/10/2009 1:03:51 PM | message detail |
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Hmm... FF = Zelda 1 FFVI = LttP FFVII = Ocarina FFVIII = Majora FFIX = Wind Waker FFX = TP Sounds about right! --- thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon! (thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat) |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/10/2009 1:10:09 PM | message detail |
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And MGS4 is mostly franchise voting, and everyone knows it. Sure, but didn't Smash look like the stronger franchise in 2006? No matter which way you slice it, Brawl looked terrible. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3004 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3364 How did it even manage a drop of that magnitude... --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 2/10/2009 1:16:48 PM | message detail |
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because all of that was just hype. after release, opinions changed. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/10/2009 1:18:27 PM | message detail |
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Yes, exactly. It's not a stretch to think opinions may have changed enough for Brawl to lose to a console Zelda game. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
