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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 650

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2009 9:18:22 PM | message detail
I wonder if he is gonna put lbp into final poll
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2009 9:28:17 PM | message detail
Eh...maybe, but probably not. We already saw it destroyed badly, and when it's facing MANY more big-name games while competing with MGS4 again over the PS3-share (as well as FO3), it will do so much worse than the PS3-poll made it look.

SB may add it as a nice gesture, but it wouldn't matter much. MGS4 is still advancing in the overall-GotY and almost certainly still getting second place, then LBP will be gone in the final-GotY. It would probably amount to being just another game the handheld-GotY's will beat if it's in.
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Yesmar | Posted 1/10/2009 9:30:38 PM | message detail
Brawl should beat MGS4 with around 59% or so after crunching these stats. It would probably win by a little more though, since it was being leeched when it went against No More Heroes.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/10/2009 9:31:13 PM | message detail
fallout 3 would beat brawl by 65%

see i can number crunch too
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Gaddswell | Posted 1/10/2009 9:48:15 PM | message detail
What the...? Another one?
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2009 9:50:43 PM | message detail
What's so great about this poll is that it ties with the past seven out of nine goty entrants (let's ignore the MMORPG poll). Sadly Persona 4 and Fallout 3 do not have any games in this poll that also were in their previous poll. Using fancy and unreliable x-stats the goty poll will look something like this.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 50.00%
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots – 47.32%
Gears of War 2 – 32.41%
Chrono Trigger – 21.89%
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King – 16.30%
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII – 13.87%
Mega Man 9 – 13.16%
Persona 4 - ???
Fallout 3 - ???

Biggest surprise is CT is expected to do well. Persona 4 should hit last while Fallout 3 looks prime to take third.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/10/2009 9:51:17 PM | message detail
I also took those numbers from 30 minutes into the poll.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2009 10:07:04 PM | message detail
I was just trying to figure out how to best compare them through that...!

I'll try to make the numbers the way it should look in the actual poll, barring FO3 and P4.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2009 10:17:07 PM | message detail
Bah, harder than I thought...

...while still working on them though, it's all the more amazing CT is expected to do well off of those numbers since FF4 was most likely hurting it. CTDS may surprise some people...surprisingly.....
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2009 10:30:25 PM | message detail
Estimations based off of charmander's numbers:


SSBB - 25.65%
MGS4 - 24.27%
Gears 2 - 16.62%
CT - 11.23%
WoW:WotLK - 8.36%
CC:FF7 - 7.11%
MM9 - 6.75%

Again, it still needs Persona 4 and Fallout 3...but from what today gave us thirty minutes into the match, SSBB/MGS4 should be mighty close...it's hard to imagine FO3 getting so close to SSBB like MGS4. Then again though, we should really wait until the poll finishes and then consider how many votes each poll drew as well for slight bonuses...but hey, we're impatient and starving for this information.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 1/10/2009 11:11:28 PM | message detail
Much as I'd like to move on to the final GotY, I've got to admit this is a worthwhile new poll. At least it gives us a chance to see some cool new games in action outside of an environment where they get crushed by the AAA titles for their consoles. This New IP poll and the Downloadable poll are pretty cool additions to the lineup, but there was no excuse for forcing us to sit through another day with the MMOs.

As for the results themselves... whoa, very impressed by LBP! Just glancing over the names before voting I was under the impression that NMH might give it a run for its money, but yikes was I ever wrong. Yeah, this certainly makes me reconsider my Fallout > MGS prediction, but I still don't buy MGS4 being any kind of competition for Brawl since (as has been pointed out) NMH was the sore thumb in the Wii poll and surely overperformed on SSBB as a result.

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HaRRicH | Posted 1/10/2009 11:18:42 PM | message detail
Haha...talk about PS3-loyalty in today's poll. The PS3-ownership is at 36.59% while LBP and Valkyria Chronicles are currently at 39.39%.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/10/2009 11:51:29 PM | message detail
think it'll drop?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/10/2009 11:52:48 PM | message detail
also lol i forgot spore was in the poll.. i guess WoW is going to bomb. hard.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/11/2009 12:58:59 AM | message detail
Wow, Spore is bombing to all these options despite having almost no SFF bringing it down. I never would've expected it to be so weak.

...nor would I have expected LBP to dominate so hard. There's no "franchise vote" there and the PS3 isn't exactly beloved, so either PS3 fanboys are exceedingly devoted or we've got a playrate disproportionately higher than ownership going on.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2009 1:00:00 AM | message detail
for being such a wide-open poll, this is really predictable. cool poll.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/11/2009 1:46:07 AM | message detail
Well, they got Sackboy into the contest before LBP came out, so at least one aspect of them are dedicated to the cause!


So...it feels obvious, but I'll ask: LBP versus GTA4, what wins? If GTA4 can win that, FO3 will be expected to get 43.16% or better on MGS4 (depended on how badly GTA4 could beat LBP). That would be plenty good to get it third place in the overall-GotY, then reducing the options down to three should favor FO3 the most in the final-GotY (between the smaller PS3-base and not having Gears 2 or WoW:LotLK around any more, that has to help).
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/11/2009 2:53:21 AM | message detail
I imagine LBP is only doing as well as it is because of the hype it got. Even people with no PS3 know all about it.

So it's probably sweeping the casual votes.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2009 4:43:26 AM | message detail
GTA4 of course. this is a poll of games that didn't do very well and aren't very well known. LBP, if nothing else, is well-known. LBP absolutely bombed sales-wise compared to expectations and it's still probably the best-selling game here.

hm, maybe Odyssey sold better. but that's about all.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2009 4:43:38 AM | message detail
oh wait, Spore, duh. but that's a whole other bag.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2009 4:45:04 AM | message detail
also, I'd strongly warn against extrapolating this stuff. it's already a bad idea with so much we don't know about, but then there's the fact that games have never looked too linear.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 1/11/2009 6:01:10 AM | message detail
By "Way to fail, world", I mean way to have a disappointment in first and an even BIGGER disappointment in third.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2009 7:14:17 AM | message detail
only reason lbp is doing so well here is because its up against a bunch of badly selling games
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/11/2009 7:47:17 AM | message detail
LBP would give WoW a match!
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/11/2009 7:54:46 AM | message detail
LBP is making MGS4 look really good right now. And CT being projected to get 21% (even, say, 25%+ if you believe it suffered a lot of LFF) on Brawl isn't surprising. Sure it's a port of a game that wasn't made in 2008 in a 2008 GOTY poll, but it's still the #3 game on the site. Right now I'm rather skeptical of this poll though: LBP doing so well coupled with the word "original" in the question doesn't quite sit right with me. Although I would love to see MGS4 give Brawl a fight like this poll suggests!
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ZFS | Posted 1/11/2009 7:56:51 AM | message detail
I think today drives the point home about how meaningless comparisons are between these polls - what's the difference between MGS4 and Brawl when LBP is wrecking the Wii's third place game?

Brawl will probably still have a pretty easy win, but it's hard to say how much more impressive, if at all, it was in the Wii poll over MGS4. Hard to take anything away from it when there's nothing to go on.

Guess we'll find out in the next few days.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2009 7:57:41 AM | message detail
Guess we'll find out in the next few days.

more like a couple weeks at this pac
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transience | Posted 1/11/2009 7:58:55 AM | message detail
the more polls, the better. do this all month, I don't mind.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2009 8:00:41 AM | message detail
the more polls the more bacon stalls the noms and contest :(
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transience | Posted 1/11/2009 8:01:47 AM | message detail
that's fine. the last contest ended less than two months ago, I think.

no hurry.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/11/2009 8:11:00 AM | message detail
i'd be fine with that if the last contest was actually... enjoyable.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/11/2009 8:12:08 AM | message detail
also, I'd strongly warn against extrapolating this stuff. it's already a bad idea with so much we don't know about, but then there's the fact that games have never looked too linear.

I know that's why I called them unreliable. Still I thought CT was going to struggle against FFVII and here it's expected to beat WoW with no problem. MGS4 is probably overrated due to LBP maybe when I do this again I'll use Valkyria Chronicles instead.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 1/11/2009 8:15:11 AM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 1/11/2009 11:00:41 AM | #129
the more polls the more bacon stalls the noms and contest :(


Nothing wrong with some good ol' GOTY polls.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/11/2009 10:57:23 AM | message detail
Late to this party, but worldwide I'm pretty sure TWEWY outsold LBP.

But yes. I blame marketing.
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TheOceIot | Posted 1/11/2009 10:59:26 AM | message detail
Really? LBP has sold 1.3 million so far, I would be surprised if TWEWY sold more than that.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2009 11:00:02 AM | message detail
ha. there's making up numbers and then there's TWEWY > LBP.
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ZFS | Posted 1/11/2009 11:02:28 AM | message detail
You're pretty far off there. LBP's over a million worldwide, TWEWY's at half that between the U.S. and Japan.

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HaRRicH | Posted 1/11/2009 11:18:10 AM | message detail
also, I'd strongly warn against extrapolating this stuff. it's already a bad idea with so much we don't know about, but then there's the fact that games have never looked too linear.

True enough, but I think most of us are rather anxious to get to the main GotY-polls and it's the first time we've been able to try extrapolation like this for them. It should be fun to see how right or wrong our information is for this.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2009 11:20:37 AM | message detail
yeah, I thought they were cool comparisons too. just don't take it too seriously or use it as proof, y'know?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2009 11:28:07 AM | message detail
lol lightning
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/11/2009 12:09:54 PM | message detail
"Whoops."
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Karma Hunter | Posted 1/11/2009 12:10:15 PM | message detail
yeah, I thought they were cool comparisons too. just don't take it too seriously or use it as proof, y'know?

Considering that currently extrapolating through LBP *and* VP puts MGS4 above Brawl I would like to respectfully disagree and instead suggest we end the GotY polls now and just give it to MGS4 imhhho
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hailEC | Posted 1/11/2009 6:54:12 PM | message detail
So there's no reason for us to be getting these joke best of polls other than bacon to buy more time to be lazy so he doesn't have to do anything with the contest. Guarantee he screws it up somehow.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2009 7:44:47 PM | message detail
whats with the high votals today?
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/11/2009 7:59:41 PM | message detail
Vote totals are terrible today like they have ever since this started, what happen to those 90k vote totals?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/11/2009 8:01:17 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #145
Vote totals are terrible today like they have ever since this started, what happen to those 90k vote totals?


well high votals comparetively

it'll end up with the second highest totals of all the goty polls with only wii higher
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LinkLegend27 | Posted 1/11/2009 8:02:37 PM | message detail
So when does Allen put the nominations on the Home Page?
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TheOceIot | Posted 1/11/2009 8:04:31 PM | message detail
Never. The games contest isn't real, he is just playing with us.
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transience | Posted 1/11/2009 8:05:13 PM | message detail
it's a.) a weekend and b.) has games on every platform. both lead to higher vote totals.
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Gaddswell | Posted 1/11/2009 8:26:41 PM | message detail

TheOceIot (#148)
Never. The games contest isn't real, he is just playing with us.



Or the contest is full of B8 noms!
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