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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 649

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/5/2009 9:38:11 PM | message detail

From: Yesmar | #299
Animal Crossing did not sell badly my any stretch of the imagination based on any numbers that have been released. Where are you getting this from?


it didnt sell badly in comparative terms to other games... but it sold badly as a nintendo holiday ap and didnt live up to sales expectations
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 1/5/2009 9:40:50 PM | message detail
Is it really not up to sales expectations? It's sold better than Wild World did at its launch... and that game has gone on to sell over 10 million copies ;>_>
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/5/2009 9:41:39 PM | message detail

From: MoogleKupo141 | #302
Is it really not up to sales expectations? It's sold better than Wild World did at its launch... and that game has gone on to sell over 10 million copies ;>_>


It was projected at about 1.2 million during holiday season in america by analysts... it only hit 750k or so
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Ngamer64 | Posted 1/5/2009 9:43:14 PM | message detail
Update!

* Chrono Trigger - 27.70% on DS poll, 20127 votes (of 72651 total)
* WoW: WotLK - 36.83% on PC poll, 22383 votes (of 60780 total)
* Persona 4 - 44.53% on PS2 poll, 21612 votes (of 48534 total)
* MGS4 - 53.56% on PS3 poll, 39796 votes (of 74297 total)
* Crisis Core - 51.04% on PSP poll, 29476 votes (of 57756 total)
* Brawl - 58.28% on Wii poll, ? votes (of ? total)

Not an overwhelming showing for Crisis Core, but still, that was solid. It had no trouble pulling down plenty more votes than the other three, but on the other hand its competition was so weak that this poll was less popular than one featuring (basically) only WoW and Spore. This sets up a very interesting battle neat the bottom of the ranks... WoW figures to have the most dedicated fanbase, but P4 supporters are pretty hardcore as well so maybe it can keep it close. CC gets to pull down the Final Fantasy advantage, which might be enough to make all the difference, because even though CT has very powerful name recognition of its own, being a port going up against so many other good options is sure to hold it way back.

As for the battle for the overall GotY, well... I'd have to agree that Brawl has pretty much salted it away with this performance. Given the stronger competition I wasn't even sure that Brawl was going to match MGS4's percentage from the other day- then when I saw that the well-loved Okami had been added to the mix as well, I felt pretty confident in a percentage win for MGS. Instead, heck, it's not even going to be close! All that's left to see is if the ASV carries SSB to even greater heights.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/5/2009 9:46:41 PM | message detail
I mean maybe if you look at pure numbers it looks like animal crossing has sold well, but you gotta put alot of factors into place. Like as a kotaku regular theres been a few articles there about Animal Crossing being a flop to sales expectations
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 1/5/2009 9:47:45 PM | message detail
Those are some pretty silly sales expectations ;>_>.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/5/2009 9:48:39 PM | message detail

From: MoogleKupo141 | #306
Those are some pretty silly sales expectations ;>_>.


Why? It was nintendos biggest holiday title for the wii, it was also their most marketed, so its not too much to ask for to want big sales for it.
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ZFS | Posted 1/5/2009 9:49:48 PM | message detail
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PiGuy96 | Posted 1/5/2009 9:50:34 PM | message detail
First month sales hardly matter for a game like Animal Crossing. Its success or failure will be judged on whether it, like Wii Play/Wii Fit/Mario Kart Wii, is on the top ten sales lists several months (or years, in Wii Play's case) after its release.
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trannyscience | Posted 1/5/2009 9:50:53 PM | message detail
who knew that animal crossing was supposed to sell millions

Brawl just dropped. I wanted to see it push everything under 10%.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 1/5/2009 9:59:42 PM | message detail
Why? It was nintendos biggest holiday title for the wii, it was also their most marketed, so its not too much to ask for to want big sales for it.

It's silly because they could like... look at the last Animal Crossing game's sales and see that it's not a game that's going to sell millions all at once.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/5/2009 10:38:26 PM | message detail
Compare today to...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2625

...SSBB versus LoZ:TP, who you got?
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/5/2009 10:56:02 PM | message detail
Actually, this is much easier to compare...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2988

...I dunno how much better MKW/NMH is than MP3/RE4:Wii, and I would take FE:RD over ToS2. SSBB/SMG may actually be more comparable afterall...though I'm definitely taking SSBB there.
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Gaddswell | Posted 1/5/2009 11:09:03 PM | message detail
Aww, doesn't look like ToS2 and Okami is that close anymore.

ToS2 has this
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Gaddswell | Posted 1/6/2009 1:04:07 AM | message detail
Well, never mind. It changed again and Okami has the lead.

Too bad about NMH though. It doesn't look like it'll lead at all against Mario Kart now.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/6/2009 5:45:44 AM | message detail
Wow NMH really fell off. When I went to bed it was almost even with Mario Kart
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Master Moltar | Posted 1/6/2009 6:13:28 AM | message detail
Wow, good show from Brawl. I would've thrown my vote to NMH had I checked the results first.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/6/2009 6:52:36 AM | message detail
I am surprised Animal Crossing is doing THIS bad though

I just noticed it got 0 votes that last 5 minute update
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/6/2009 7:43:24 AM | message detail
Animal Crossing is one of those series where people will buy them, but it won't be their favourite game of the system. Also Brawl SFF is pretty much killing any hope for any Nintendo title. I believe Mario Kart Wii would crush No More Heroes if it wasn't for Brawl.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/6/2009 7:45:49 AM | message detail
Mario Kart would easily be winning this poll if Brawl weren't in it. No doubt in my mind.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/6/2009 7:48:05 AM | message detail
You know, I was thinking...After we have the Games Contest this year, we should do a Game of the Decade Contest next year, with only games released since 2000 in it.

Who would be the favorite in such a contest?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/6/2009 7:50:33 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #321
You know, I was thinking...After we have the Games Contest this year, we should do a Game of the Decade Contest next year, with only games released since 2000 in it.

Who would be the favorite in such a contest?


one of the smash bros or final fantasy x
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/6/2009 7:55:50 AM | message detail
Melee or Brawl would win that contest. Although Brawl rSFFing Melee and then losing to FFX in the final would be good!
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/6/2009 8:31:32 AM | message detail
GG MGS4.

Seriously, everything from Animal Crossing and above would probably beat LittleBig Planet. Maybe even Okami and ToS2, but likely not. Brawl might even have a shot at surpassing FFVII and OoT in the games contest judging by this.

In other news, this may be the first GotY award Brawl gets from a major site. lol, critics.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/6/2009 8:32:48 AM | message detail
Seriously, everything from Animal Crossing and above would probably beat LittleBig Planet. Maybe even Okami and ToS2, but likely not. Brawl might even have a shot at surpassing FFVII and OoT in the games contest judging by this.

you'd think after 2 years of 4ways people would understand SFF
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/6/2009 9:22:18 AM | message detail
post-2000 contest?

Give me winner of Brawl/Melee, although I'd give the outside shot to Metal Gear Solid 2/4. 2004 was by far Snake's worst year, and Metal Gear stock has never been higher than it is now.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/6/2009 9:26:37 AM | message detail
Let's see we'd have Brawl, Melee, FFX, MGS4, SMG, TP.

It would be an interesting contest.
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transience | Posted 1/6/2009 9:27:28 AM | message detail
I made a bracket for this once. I imagine some of you remember - it was pretty competitive.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 1/6/2009 9:54:26 AM | message detail
Remember? Heck, I'm about to LINK it!

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ngamer#Tranny.27s_Post-2000_Games_Bracket

This was done back in April of '07 though, so I imagine it needs a bit of an update.

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/6/2009 10:27:11 AM | message detail
Yeah, the only real SFF target in this poll is Mario Kart Wii, MAYBE Animal Crossing. Everything else is no more likely to get SFF'd than MGS4's competition. And even then there's the enormous difference in quality...
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ZFS | Posted 1/6/2009 1:58:44 PM | message detail
Seriously, everything from Animal Crossing and above would probably beat LittleBig Planet. Maybe even Okami and ToS2, but likely not. Brawl might even have a shot at surpassing FFVII and OoT in the games contest judging by this.

Haha.

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 1/6/2009 2:08:58 PM | message detail
I like the idea of a decade contest. Resident Evil 4 being in a semi final is awesome.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 1/6/2009 2:10:02 PM | message detail
Oh sorry for double posting but I second that "Haha".


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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/6/2009 3:26:29 PM | message detail
Not really "haha". LittleBig Planet, for all its acclaim, was a commercial flop considering the hype and expectancies. Kind of a shame really.

Maybe ToS2 is pushing, but I can't see it having any legitimate strength. It only did as well as it did because other than MGS4, the only other worthwhile game sold about 50, 000 copies total.

Yeah.

*Insert comment about nails and coffins*
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_Hogger_ | Posted 1/6/2009 3:30:37 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #330
Yeah, the only real SFF target in this poll is Mario Kart Wii, MAYBE Animal Crossing. Everything else is no more likely to get SFF'd than MGS4's competition. And even then there's the enormous difference in quality...


Tales of symphonia has been proven to be SFF'd by Nintendo in the past, so thats another game being SFF'd. I don't trust this poll at all because its basically Nintendos biggest game against alot of lesser games nintendo fans like. put SSBB up against competition a bit different and it won't own this much
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ZFS | Posted 1/6/2009 3:36:01 PM | message detail
That was less about the LBP stuff and more about FFVII or OoT needing to worry because the one good Wii game this year is trashing competition most of this site doesn't care about.

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/6/2009 3:57:56 PM | message detail
Yeah, but my point is that ToS isn't getting SFF'd by Brawl anymore than MGS4 SFF'd Resistance.

We shall see. Let's wait until the final poll.

Also, Wii has had quite a few great games this year. One of which isn't even on this poll!

By the way, it's World of Goo.
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_Hogger_ | Posted 1/6/2009 4:00:24 PM | message detail
world of goo isnt exclusive
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ZFS | Posted 1/6/2009 4:01:56 PM | message detail
There will probably be a good 10-15% between Brawl and MGS4 in the final poll, which speaks more about the difference in ownership between the PS3 and Wii than anything else. Doesn't really say anything about how Brawl will do in a contest.

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red sox 777 | Posted 1/6/2009 4:07:03 PM | message detail
Yeah, and Brawl doesn't look as amazing when you consider that Galaxy got the same percentage in last year's Wii poll. It's really hard the gauge the strength of the field here, but I wouldn't be worried about FFVII or OOT even if Brawl doubles MGS4.
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HaRRicH | Posted 1/6/2009 5:22:40 PM | message detail
By the way, it's World of Goo.

SB responded to a feedback ticket I sent about a downloadable-GotY by saying such a poll is already in the queue. Look for it whenever that poll comes up.
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_Hogger_ | Posted 1/6/2009 6:27:37 PM | message detail
World of Goo is on PC also so even if there wesn't a DL poll it wouldnt be on the Wii poll
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Gaddswell | Posted 1/6/2009 8:41:59 PM | message detail
Aww, ToS2 and Okami both did fall back off near the end. When I last saw the poll, Okami was at 6.76% and ToS2 was at 6.59%. Didn't expect another lead change between the two too.
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Gaddswell | Posted 1/6/2009 9:01:42 PM | message detail
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts 5.51% 7
Culdcept SAGA 0.79% 1
Fable II 22.05% 28
Gears of War 2 37.8% 48
Lost Odyssey 5.51% 7
Ninja Gaiden II 6.3% 8
Tales of Vesperia 18.9% 24
Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise 3.15% 4
TOTAL VOTES 127

Well, Vesperia and Fable II for 2nd looks fun to watch.
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_Hogger_ | Posted 1/6/2009 9:05:26 PM | message detail
hail to the fenix
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_Hogger_ | Posted 1/6/2009 9:12:43 PM | message detail
... nuts and bolts is beating ninja gaiden 2?

the hell?
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Gaddswell | Posted 1/6/2009 9:16:28 PM | message detail
Well, ng2's up on it again. That one looks fun to watch too.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 1/6/2009 10:33:01 PM | message detail
There's total Rare LFF going on here. If VP wasn't there, Banjo-Kazooie would totally have 9.something percent totally for definitely.
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_Hogger_ | Posted 1/6/2009 10:37:06 PM | message detail

From: MoogleKupo141 | #348
There's total Rare LFF going on here. If VP wasn't there, Banjo-Kazooie would totally have 9.something percent totally for definitely.


i'd have a very hard time believing that nuts and bolts could beat ninja gaiden 2 in any circumstances
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Ngamer64 | Posted 1/6/2009 11:18:50 PM | message detail
Update!

* Chrono Trigger - 27.70% on DS poll, 20127 votes (of 72651 total)
* WoW: WotLK - 36.83% on PC poll, 22383 votes (of 60780 total)
* Persona 4 - 44.53% on PS2 poll, 21612 votes (of 48534 total)
* MGS4 - 53.56% on PS3 poll, 39796 votes (of 74297 total)
* Crisis Core - 51.04% on PSP poll, 29476 votes (of 57756 total)
* Brawl - 57.97% on Wii poll, 46045 votes (of 79423 total)
* Gears of War 2 - 37.05% on 360 poll (currently), ? votes (of ? total)

Well, Brawl didn't end up appearing quite as dominating as it was originally looking yesterday. It was over 58% and still rising soon after the NPH leaving us to believe that 60% might be possible with the ASV, but instead it took a deep hit overnight to fall back to the low 56s. The ASV was very kind, as we'd expected, but even so it came up a little short of 58. In any case the game had zero trouble topping MGS4 in every regard, and in addition this was quite easily the most popular poll so far this year... everything appears to be lined up for a fairly easy GotY win for Brawl.

Gears is impressing me so far, as I'd have expected Fable to put up a better fight than this. On the other hand, Fable's having to deal with RPG LFF from some fairly decent competition in Vesperia and LO so this result isn't really all that surprising. The stranger thing is that Gears has been able to run wild as the only shooter option on a console that loves its shooters... guess all the other options just went multi-platform this year.

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