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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 3:46:30 PM | message detail
this battle between audiosurf and crysis is close lol
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 3:51:12 PM | message detail
Crysis only up by 1 vote over Audiosurf now!
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/2/2009 6:16:21 PM | message detail
Well I will say that if Albion WASN'T responsible, it makes some of Arthas' more suspicious spikes and patterns in that match, which Albion had explained as his rallying, look extra suspicious, which reopens an entire can of worms.

Also there was his otherwise unexplained deboost between rounds one and two.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 6:19:17 PM | message detail
Also there was his otherwise unexplained deboost between rounds one and two.

he lost his wotlk picture, and the round 2 pic is one that a typical wow player won't know of cuz he's not seen without his helmet in wow. pretty easy to explain imo
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/2/2009 6:49:54 PM | message detail
Pretty big difference.

Also at that point his round 2 picture was probably MORE well known. Plus your post does nothing to explain his suspicious patterns.
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Yesmar | Posted 1/2/2009 7:00:04 PM | message detail
Arthas didn't underperform by any weird amount or anything. He went from getting 46% on Pikachu to getting 42% on him, which isn't anything that crazy. While Arthas probably got a little more rally votes in his first round match, he was also facing a Pikachu who was being leeched by a more popular Nintendo entrant than he would be leeched by in the second round.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 7:17:19 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #105
Pretty big difference.

Also at that point his round 2 picture was probably MORE well known. Plus your post does nothing to explain his suspicious patterns.


Uh, no. He is known as the Lich King among the 11+ million people who play WoW. He is only known by that face pic by the 3 million or so who played Warcraft 3. The Lich King picture of him is much more well known and recognizable by more people.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 7:22:15 PM | message detail
Also he is barely even called Arthas in WoW... Theres a couple quest chains of his past they show and all but if you don't read quest text (like alot of people don't), they might not even know the Lich Kings name is Arthas, so they wouldn't know that was him by that second round pic.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/2/2009 8:15:56 PM | message detail
Well I will say that if Albion WASN'T responsible, it makes some of Arthas' more suspicious spikes and patterns in that match, which Albion had explained as his rallying, look extra suspicious, which reopens an entire can of worms.

I'm looking at the graph and I see no suspicious spikes done by Arthas and if you didn't know it's quite common for a character to do well one update and fall hard the next. Also just because Albion said an update was because of him doesn't mean it is. Over the matches that Albion had rally for I've seen my share of updates where Albion says "expect character A to win big next update" only for character B to cut/stall.

Also there was his otherwise unexplained deboost between rounds one and two.

First of all both round one and two had two different Nintendo characters and SFF matches don't work well with expected numbers. Arthas went from 45% to 41% which really isn't that much of a deboost considering other characters have done worse for less reasons.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 8:17:43 PM | message detail
Over the matches that Albion had rally for I've seen my share of updates where Albion says "expect character A to win big next update" only for character B to cut/stall.

lol, I normally said that when I saw a spike in hits for the rally topics
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/2/2009 8:21:00 PM | message detail
Which only adds on to an earlier point of hits =/= votes
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red sox 777 | Posted 1/2/2009 9:07:53 PM | message detail
The rallying is very clear-cut and significant in the Hogger match, and based on the experiment done in the MM/Cube match, it in all likelihood made the difference there also, though the number of rallied votes was lower. Arthas won by enough against Ike that I doubt he would have lost without rallying. Did Albion even rally that much in that one, considering how far Arthas was ahead?
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Ness26 | Posted 1/2/2009 9:16:59 PM | message detail
Does this mean Persona has some semblance of strength in a contest? Weird.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 9:17:49 PM | message detail

From: Ness26 | #113
Does this mean Persona has some semblance of strength in a contest? Weird.


No, i think that its the only choice of a game thats actually good.

Did Albion even rally that much in that one, considering how far Arthas was ahead?

I didnt bother rallying after about noon when arthas was up by almost 2500
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 1/2/2009 9:17:50 PM | message detail
no. its competition is absolutely horrible.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 1/2/2009 9:18:18 PM | message detail
Does this mean Persona has some semblance of strength in a contest? Weird.

...no. It means no one has played any of the other games and this poll will have the lowest vote total since 2002. >_>
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2009 9:18:35 PM | message detail
Just wait 'til the final GOTY when Persona gets destroyed.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 9:19:12 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #117
Just wait 'til the final GOTY when Persona gets destroyed.


i can see persona 4 hold up better then some other games due to hardcore fanbase that won't abandon it
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 1/2/2009 9:19:13 PM | message detail
Persona 4 is goin' ALL THE WAY.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2009 9:19:42 PM | message detail
It's still gonna get destroyed because, honestly, how big is that fanbase?
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ZFS | Posted 1/2/2009 9:20:00 PM | message detail
Persona is the new Tales

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Biolizard28 | Posted 1/2/2009 9:21:18 PM | message detail
The HELL is Re: CoM?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 1/2/2009 9:21:55 PM | message detail
The Persona fanbase is probably bigger than you think. Plus it's really recent. It's not going to do anything fancy in the full poll, but it's probably going to do better than you'd think.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2009 9:21:59 PM | message detail
The Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories remake for PS2.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 9:22:00 PM | message detail

From: Biolizard28 | #122
The HELL is Re: CoM?


better question is where is Persona 3: FES

it deserves a spot more then CoM (though both should be here over the crap they have)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2009 9:22:32 PM | message detail
Then give me an idea of how big it is 'cause from what I've heard about Persona's sales numbers, they're extremely underwhelming.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 9:22:59 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #126
Then give me an idea of how big it is 'cause from what I've heard about Persona's sales numbers, they're extremely underwhelming.


And so is Phoenix Wrights yet PHoenix is able to hold his own due to the hardcore fanbase
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2009 9:23:24 PM | message detail
Even PW's numbers seem better than Persona's, from what I've heard.
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trannyscience | Posted 1/2/2009 9:24:50 PM | message detail
Persona is indeed the new Tales. all the Tales fans even like it.

this poll is dreadful.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 1/2/2009 9:25:42 PM | message detail
Persona is indeed the new Tales. all the Tales fans even like it.

looks like it's time for me to get off this train
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ZFS | Posted 1/2/2009 9:26:11 PM | message detail
Persona's numbers aren't that bad. They're pretty normal niche RPG numbers - 100k-200k. This is mostly talking about Persona 3, though, not the first two.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2009 9:26:38 PM | message detail
Also, PW games have done horribly in these polls, for what it's worth. Only Phoenix himself has been worth anything, and even that's not THAT much.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/2/2009 9:27:08 PM | message detail
Hero/ine from Persona 4 vs. Luke fon Fabre vs. CATS vs. Zelos Wilder

What happens?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 9:27:24 PM | message detail
apparently P3 and FES combined sold about 400k in america
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Mr3790 | Posted 1/2/2009 9:37:57 PM | message detail
I LOL'd at the fact that a YGO game was in the poll.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 9:39:14 PM | message detail

From: Mr3790 | #135
I LOL'd at the fact that a YGO game was in the poll.


and its in 3rd place
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/2/2009 9:46:00 PM | message detail
dbz and yu gi oh are SFFing. anytiem dbz goes down in % yugioh goes up and vice versa
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Mr3790 | Posted 1/2/2009 9:53:22 PM | message detail
and its in 3rd place

This is the best part about it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 1/2/2009 10:43:58 PM | message detail
With no KH: CoM and Persona 3 this is a sad line-up of games.

lol DBZ in second.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 1/2/2009 11:27:26 PM | message detail
Ugh, should have just skipped this poll. Now Persona's hardcore base is going to get all excited to see it near 50% and rally it into the Game Contest after confusing this performance for strength.

Hopefully seeing it get crunched to almost nothing in the overall GotY will dampen their spirits!

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 1/3/2009 1:26:40 AM | message detail
oh my god yes
I know this is meaningless considering the options but still

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Gaddswell | Posted 1/3/2009 2:28:26 AM | message detail

From: Ngamer64 | #060
Ugh, should have just skipped this poll. Now Persona's hardcore base is going to get all excited to see it near 50% and rally it into the Game Contest after confusing this performance for strength.

Hopefully seeing it get crunched to almost nothing in the overall GotY will dampen their spirits!


Too late! P3 got rallied in a while ago!

P4 on the other hand, probably won't get rallied in. Don't think too many people would wanna change their noms this long after nominations opened.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/3/2009 4:49:20 AM | message detail
Actually, Phoenix Wright games sell more than you think. Yes, PW flopped in the 2005 GotY poll, BUT that was the original which had a horrible opening three months. After that, thanks to the interweb, the sales rose significantly. It's also worth mentioning that the game hadn't been released in Europe at that point. Plus it had some really good competition, unlike Persona 4.

Of course, now the original has some 200, 000 or so copies sold in America, not to mention Europe. And the sequels all outsold it. The sales numbers are nothing to write home about, but good enough to assume a non-fodder showing.

The problem is Allen has never put another AA game in a DS poll since.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/3/2009 9:40:10 AM | message detail
Problem is if he put PW2 and 3 in goty polls too they woulda been up against eachother, so you couldn't accurately see their strength
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LeonhartFour | Posted 1/3/2009 9:42:14 AM | message detail
Well, he could've put Apollo Justice here. From what I've heard, it's the best-selling one in the series.
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Yesmar | Posted 1/3/2009 9:57:57 AM | message detail
According to lol VgChartz, sales for the discussed series are:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: 121,237
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney- Justice for All: 125,810
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney- Trials and Tribulations: 227,899
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney: 169,600

Persona 3: 217,794
Persona 3 FES: 167,800
Persona 4: 124,523
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 1/3/2009 10:34:30 AM | message detail
I know that the first PW's sales more than doubled since 2005, so that poll isn't really that great of a representation of its strength. T&T could've looked somewhat not crappy, if it had gotten in without JFA.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/3/2009 12:37:29 PM | message detail
original Phoenix wright is over 300k now btw

it was re-released in 2007 and sold very well
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Ngamer64 | Posted 1/3/2009 12:56:25 PM | message detail
That's good news Gadds. So all of B8 rallied behind P3, while all the casuals will support P4 after seeing it do well here and make the final GotY? In other words, neither will end up making the cut.

Music to my ears!

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 1/3/2009 12:57:50 PM | message detail

From: Ngamer64 | #149
That's good news Gadds. So all of B8 rallied behind P3, while all the casuals will support P4 after seeing it do well here and make the final GotY? In other words, neither will end up making the cut.

Music to my ears!


what do you have against good games making the field
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