GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 648
| Mumei | Posted 12/13/2008 8:38:29 PM | message detail |
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That being said, taking info off the top 100 list isn't the best
thing to do. That thing inflates what games would actually do in a
contest because you don't need to worry about people anti-voting and
stuff like that. A top 100 list only accounts for how many people like
a game, not how many people dislike it. Wasn't it also made out of top 10 lists? --- "I believe that words uttered in passion contain a greater living truth than do those words which express thoughts rationally conceived" - Sensei |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:38:33 PM | message detail |
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I love that poll because FF3 is beating FF1 when clearly half those votes are from people thinking it was 6. --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:38:49 PM | message detail |
| Yeah, and FFI will do fine on its own, but throw
it against another game from the series (Well, other than FFII or
FFIII), and it'll get ripped. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:39:26 PM | message detail |
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As much as it pains me to say it, FF1 would beat FF5 as well. --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:40:15 PM | message detail |
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I thought about including FFV since it never really got a major release, but yeah. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2008 8:40:55 PM | message detail |
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Mainstream voters? Well, if you believe mainstream voters are
aligned with the day vote....Zelda 1 won the day vote against SMB3. It
got 42.31% from 3 AM to 3 PM and 44.32% from the start of the ASV to
the end. That match was during summer. No ASV. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 8:42:35 PM | message detail |
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Day vote doesn't ALWAYS correlate with mainstream, either. It usually
does, but pretty much every FF character that doesn't hail from 7 is a
night character. And then you've got things with decent to good day
votes like Tales of Symphonia. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:43:19 PM | message detail |
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May 31st, a Monday and a school day. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:43:43 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2592 FF1 is clearly being JOBSFFed by FF3 and FF5. Yeah I don't know what to think of that poll I'm just saying I really doubt FF1 loses to anything that isn't FF6, FF7, FFX, FF8, or FFT, and the last two I have some difficulties picking against it. Seriously though it probably is true that the more FFs you throw in a multi-way poll the worse FF does... I dunno it just doesn't seem to be one people often call their favorite FF, but put it 1v1 against any given FF and it'll be a bit more even... if that makes sense. It seems like a middle of the road FF for most people. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:44:03 PM | message detail |
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I didn't go to school on May 31st that year! Whoa, I just realized that was my graduation year! I'm so old... --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 8:44:41 PM | message detail |
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But just based on a "let's get real" sentiment... Mario 3 is more mainstream than Zelda 1. My grandparents have played Mario 3, for cryin' out loud. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:45:34 PM | message detail |
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But yeah, the fact that Zelda 1 won the day vote against Mario 3
doesn't prove much- Mario 3 went even during the day with Chrono
Trigger, while Mario World easily took the day vote against CT. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 8:45:42 PM | message detail |
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ha, graduating high school in 2004 being old. Lopen, you need to accept that NES games aren't that strong here anymore. FF1 isn't going to take down a popular Final Fantasy title. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2008 8:46:37 PM | message detail |
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May 31st, a Monday and a school day. I think most schools are done by that point, aren't they? --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:47:39 PM | message detail |
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I'm just saying I really doubt FF1 loses to anything that isn't FF6,
FF7, FFX, FF8, or FFT, and the last two I have some difficulties
picking against it. Poll 1178 (02/24/2003) What's your favorite Final Fantasy? 2249 3.10% Final Fantasy 984 1.36% Final Fantasy II 3704 5.11% Final Fantasy III 2726 3.76% Final Fantasy IV 1297 1.79% Final Fantasy V 10572 14.60% Final Fantasy VI 27670 38.20% Final Fantasy VII 7294 10.07% Final Fantasy VIII 4257 5.88% Final Fantasy IX 10256 14.16% Final Fantasy X 1425 1.97% Final Fantasy XI TOTAL VOTES: 72434 Uhhh... And just out of curiosity, why did you omit FFIX from that list? By the way, FFX-2 probably beats FFI, too. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 12/13/2008 8:49:22 PM | message detail |
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I really don't see games being anti-voted to any significant amount.
There are plenty of characters I would vote against simply because
they're annoying or worthless, many of which ride on the coattails of
their game. Games on the other hand are usually popular for good
reason. The ones I find annoying/worthless won't make it into the
contest. Looking back at '04, I found Kingdom Hearts to be fairly boring. But every other game in the contest I either enjoyed or didn't play. --- FastFalcon and Solid Snake snapped my neck in the guru contest. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:49:29 PM | message detail |
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Poll 577 (06/30/2001) What's your all-time least favorite Final Fantasy title? 1409 10.45% Final Fantasy 754 5.59% Final Fantasy II 540 4.01% Final Fantasy III 436 3.23% Final Fantasy IV 827 6.13% Final Fantasy V 810 6.01% Final Fantasy VI 2252 16.70% Final Fantasy VII 4815 35.71% Final Fantasy VIII 1639 12.16% Final Fantasy IX TOTAL VOTES: 13482 Still love this poll. FFVIII in a landslide! Doubling FFVII! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:49:32 PM | message detail |
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Lopen, you need to accept that NES games aren't that strong here
anymore. FF1 isn't going to take down a popular Final Fantasy title. I fail to see why we're doubting NES games. Realistically, they're probably going to age better than most games, as they were already well past their prime in 2004. I do expect game rankings to be a lot more fickle than character rankings. Expect division 128 as a whole to jump all over the place strengthwise this contest. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:49:42 PM | message detail |
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I always had school until mid-June, and I thought most of the country did as well. At least the Northeast? But actually the day vote is even more pronounced in that match if you look at the shift starting from morning. Mario 3 was over 60% overnight. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:50:34 PM | message detail |
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Man, I love how FF3 overpreforms in all these polls. Damn you numbering system. --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 8:51:11 PM | message detail |
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yeah, mid-june is when high school gets out here. college is usually mid-may. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| ZFS | Posted 12/13/2008 8:51:40 PM | message detail |
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Mainstream voters? Well, if you believe mainstream voters are
aligned with the day vote....Zelda 1 won the day vote against SMB3. It
got 42.31% from 3 AM to 3 PM and 44.32% from the start of the ASV to
the end. I'm not pointing to any particular part of the vote here. Just that we're dealing with a significantly different GameFAQs in 2008 (2009) than we were in 2004. When you add tens of thousands of more votes, you're going to get some different results, especially with the shifting that's occurred. I can't actually prove anything here - we'd all be hard pressed to prove much of anything today with only a five year old contest to go on - but I think all those extra voters are bound to go in favor of the more popular game, and that's Mario World no matter how we slice it. My feeling is less based on any stats or matches and more on how these two games have aged and which is the more liked, more popular game today. http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/home/519824.html http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/home/563433.html Just sayin' (p.s. i know my games isn't something to be used to determine matches, but hey it's something other than a feeling!) --- http://i36.tinypic.com/14j2srq.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 8:53:06 PM | message detail |
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It's not the aging, it's the votals. We have a much more casual influx
of voters now, the kind of people who would never allow Xenogears to
escape a doubling from Pokemon. NES games that aren't named Mario 3
(and even that will suffer, though it being whored out by Nintendo to
all hell will help a ton) will suffer. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:53:18 PM | message detail |
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Uhhh... And just out of curiosity, why did you omit FFIX from that list? I don't think FFIX is going to be strong, that's all there is to it really. I think Vivi rides the "Vivi is a goddamn Black Mage" factor for his popularity and the other FFIX characters are pretty much a joke (yes, even after this year Zidane hasn't really sold me). I know games != characters but you have to draw a line somewhere. When has FFIX ever impressed? Heck, it barely beat FF1 in that poll you showed anyway. And as I said in my previous post, I think FF1 gets hurt the most out of any FF in that type of poll. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:53:39 PM | message detail |
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FFI isn't even that widely played compared to other games in the series, I'd imagine. Poll 2419 (06/26/2006) Have you ever played the original Final Fantasy? 11049 13.02% Yes, and I still own the original cartridge 11560 13.62% Yes, way back on an original NES 27011 31.83% Yes, I've played a remade/emulated version 24453 28.82% No, but I've played other games in the series 10785 12.71% No, I've never played a single Final Fantasy game TOTAL VOTES: 84858 40% haven't even played it, and it'd be WAY lower if it weren't for those ports. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:56:34 PM | message detail |
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40% haven't even played it, and it'd be WAY lower if it weren't for those ports. 60% isn't a terrible number. That beats Chrono Trigger if I recall correctly. Any given FF game (that isn't FF7) probably isn't going to beat that figure by too awful much, I'd imagine. I doubt most break 70% --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:58:03 PM | message detail |
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Nah, CT had a 70% play rate. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:58:40 PM | message detail |
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Or actually, the point of saying that Zelda 1 beat SMB3 with the day
vote, even when Mario 3's day vote was abysmal, is this: Mario 3
probably won that poll on the strength of its NES fanbase, the people
who played it on the NES. Take out the votes from people who played
either game on the NES, and Zelda 1 probably wins.
I certainly wouldn't be surprised if 64 or World beat LoZ, but I find
that possibility quite remarkable, as SMB3 is certainly a more
mainstream, and more widely played, game, than LoZ, including among
people who did not own a NES. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| ZFS | Posted 12/13/2008 8:58:43 PM | message detail |
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Nah. Doesn't come close to Trigger's... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2184 --- http://i36.tinypic.com/14j2srq.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 9:00:07 PM | message detail |
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Take out the votes from people who played either game on the NES, and Zelda 1 probably wins. Basically you're saying that Zelda, as a whole, has greater franchise voting than Mario. Considering which one won the Series Contest, this isn't some sort of new revelation! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 9:04:14 PM | message detail |
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Eh, CT still didn't break 70%, though. I stand by my statement that I doubt any FF game that isn't FF7 can. (Maybe FFX/FF8 can by a few percent) --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 9:04:33 PM | message detail |
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Not a new revelation, sure, but it suggests that any shift of this site away from old-school gamers would help
Zelda 1 against at least SMB3, and probably SMW...maybe even
SM64....it's one year younger than Chrono Trigger, after all. And it
suggests that Zelda 1's intrinsic strength and the Zelda franchise vote
are strong enough to capitalize on this. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2008 9:05:23 PM | message detail |
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maybe even SM64 No. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 9:06:01 PM | message detail |
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Poll 2177 (10/27/2005) Do you own a copy of Final Fantasy VI/III? 9482 14.06% Yes, the original SNES cartridge 12594 18.68% Yes, the PlayStation remake 7908 11.73% Yes, both versions 15012 22.26% No, but I've played it before 22432 33.27% No, and I've never even played it TOTAL VOTES: 67428 Wow, Lopen may be onto something here! Seriously though, the PS FFs likely have a higher playrate anyway. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 12/13/2008 9:09:41 PM | message detail |
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Why does aging really matter, anyway? I'd take SMW over LoZ in 1994,
and I'd still take SMW over LoZ today. SMW's just more liked. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. As is FastFalcon |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 9:12:26 PM | message detail |
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It shouldn't; I don't think the match would go much differently now
than in 2004.....SMW wins in 1994 of course. I really want to see Zelda
1 in the bracket now. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 9:14:36 PM | message detail |
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Seriously though, the PS FFs likely have a higher playrate anyway. I wouldn't be so sure. At least in FF7's case, it had a remake to help it out. And I wouldn't be surprised to see FFIX at sub-FF1 levels, seeing how FF8 won the most hated in a rout. It's just really hard for an RPG to get a really high playrate, I think. Doesn't seem like a mainstream friendly genre. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 9:15:25 PM | message detail |
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Obviously, I meant in FF6's case. Meaning that FF6 has PS exposure, but you can't say the PS FF games have SNES exposure. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 12/13/2008 9:20:42 PM | message detail |
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RPGs are mainstream enough. Every FF since VII has sold over a million
copies in America, and likely did even better among GameFAQs users. FFIX outsold FFI by a ton, so even there FFIX's arguably more mainstream. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. As is FastFalcon |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2008 9:26:22 PM | message detail |
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FFIX outsold FFI by a ton, so even there FFIX's arguably more mainstream. Hmm I couldn'd find sales data for any of the FF1 games. You're saying the NES, PS1, and GBA versions all add up to less than FF9 in America? --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 9:26:23 PM | message detail |
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...having trouble getting over a 70% playrate isn't something that you
can just arbitrarily assign to RPGs. Unless you're something like
Tetris, getting over a 70% playrate is something that puts you in line
to be a Top 30 game. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 9:27:22 PM | message detail |
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Over a million is nice, but I think you're underestimating just how
many copies a game has to sell to get really high percentages on polls
like that. I don't think over a million is going to cut it if you want
to break 70%. I'd imagine FF6 can hit that figure with the original +
its remakes. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 9:30:37 PM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy is a game that is more known than liked. http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/home/522595.html a 7.7, on this site, is pretty awful. I would argue that the only mainline FF titles liked less than FF1 are FF2 and FF3. and this is coming from someone who has counted it as their favourite FF title since the beginning of time. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 9:32:21 PM | message detail |
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And really, if you want to talk about THE most mainstream game here and its playrate... Poll 2178 (10/28/2005) Do you own a copy of Halo: Combat Evolved? 18943 31.14% Yes, and its sequel 4714 7.75% Yes, on the Xbox 5514 9.06% Yes, on the PC/Mac 7981 13.12% No, it's just not my type of game 23679 38.93% No, I guess I just never was interested TOTAL VOTES: 60831 Sales don't dictate anything but potential. RPGs are top tier in playrate here, at least when it comes to the FF series. Don't be spoiled because all of two other series happen to be slightly above it. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 9:45:04 PM | message detail |
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Eh, tranny, I think people tend to be more kind with reviews shortly
after a game is released or when it's fairly new. FF doesn't have that
luxury, and so, it suffers. I mean, look at Mega Man 9's scores for
crissakes... it's tieing MM2 right now. I mean, I liked MM9, but do
most people like it as much as MM2? Hell, the nigh universally hated MM8 is beating MM5, too. I don't think ratings mean much, really. As for you, KH... there is a fatal flaw with your example, here. Poll 2178 (10/28/2005) Do you own a copy of Halo: Combat Evolved? 50% ownership is nothing to snuff at (that's as high as FF6 in that other poll). Change that to a playership (or one that has a "no, but I've played it before" option) poll and I bet you've got it pulling 70% easy. Mind you, that was also when the X-Box was reviled here. No doubt in my mind these days it could hit 80%, maybe even 85% playership. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 9:54:44 PM | message detail |
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The age of Halo and the age of FF6 aren't even comparable. I don't even own a copy of FFVI - I used to own two.
You've got to take into account that it's a multiplayer FPS, sure - but
the fact that 40% of the site proclaimed to not even be interested
in Halo is damning, to say nothing of the fact that it pulled in the
lowest amount of votes in its poll than any other of the top ten games. Halo's playership here, even now, is pretty dismal. That would be compounded even further when you consider that a good number of those who have "played" it did so for around twenty minutes at a friend's and concluded it sucks. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 9:59:21 PM | message detail |
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but the fact that 40% of the site proclaimed to not even be
interested in Halo is damning, to say nothing of the fact that it
pulled in the lowest amount of votes in its poll than any other of the
top ten games. Though who's to say how many of the FF6 poll participants wouldn't answer the same when confronted with placing opinions into an ownership poll? Just because they've played the game before doesn't mean they enjoyed it. And probably almost all of those who have not played it would vote "I am not interested" as well. And if anything, the lower votal says more for Halo's ability to turn that poll result around. With the rapid increase in X-Box support here and twice the votals, I'm sure it'd do much better today. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/13/2008 11:03:59 PM | message detail |
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I'm really thinking that NES games as a whole will tank. We're getting
way more votes nowadays than we were 4-5 years ago, and just how many
of these new voters have started with the 8-bit Nintendo? Not very many
of them, I'd imagine. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/13/2008 11:05:19 PM | message detail |
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why aren't the noms on the main page yet --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| Xcarvenger | Posted 12/13/2008 11:08:00 PM | message detail |
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this is going to be B8-only contest confirmed? --- Chrono Cross Chrono Cross Chrono Cross. Nominate THE GAME! For all your board 8 needs: www.board8.wikia.com |
