GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 648
| Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2008 7:37:06 PM | message detail |
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Oh and ALttP > Mario 3 obviously. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 7:38:11 PM | message detail |
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Zelda 1 Super Mario World Super Mario 64 Zelda: Majora's Mask Super Mario Bros. Zelda: Wind Waker --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2008 7:40:40 PM | message detail |
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That is one messed up looking order, red sox. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 7:47:12 PM | message detail |
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Well I have a much higher opinion of Zelda 1 than most people, it
seems. I completely disagree with the idea that it overperformed on
SMB3- that's the Mario game I'd expect to fare the best
in SFF against it. And I see no reason why it wouldn't put up a similar
performance today....why would franchise voting matter less now than in
2004? It could just as easily matter more. And it's not like Zelda 1 is
just franchise voting either- it finished in #30 on the list, well
ahead of WW and MM, only 7 down from SMW. As for putting Wind Waker last, I have a feeling it isn't as strong as it was in 2004. It was the newest game in Gamefaqs's #1 (maybe #2 at the time) series in 2004. And even if it is.....it got 55% on Metroid Prime that year. Hardly impressive. Almost beating Starcraft becomes less impressive when you compare to the Halo match instead of the SSBM match. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 7:47:12 PM | message detail |
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heh, red sox is the Lopen of Games. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 7:51:16 PM | message detail |
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Lopen of games? But I've only called like 2 upsets no one is
taking....Zelda 1 and RBY. Ok then, might as well add CT for champion
to that list- a real longshot worthy of Lopen! --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 7:52:20 PM | message detail |
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those are two pretty big calls though. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| ZFS | Posted 12/13/2008 7:55:01 PM | message detail |
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As far as rankings go: Super Mario 64 Super Mario World Wind Waker Majora's Mask Super Mario Bros. Zelda 1 --- http://i36.tinypic.com/14j2srq.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 8:05:06 PM | message detail |
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Zelda 1 > Mario World really wouldn't surprise me. I wouldn't take
it, but I think ZeldaFEAR resonates with me much more on the games side
of the equation than the characters. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 8:10:03 PM | message detail |
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I kinda agree with you. that's why the idea of three Mario games over three Zelda games scares me. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:11:25 PM | message detail |
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I'd consider Zelda > Super Mario 64 long and hard... but > SMW? Seems like suicide to me! ... and you will not succeed Red Sox...! Just give me a bracket, I'll make you small time !! --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:11:36 PM | message detail |
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Hmm. World > 64 > Majora > Wind Waker > Zelda 1 > Mario 1 --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/Saturn.gif |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2008 8:12:03 PM | message detail |
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Well, I guess LoZ > SMW wouldn't completely surprise me (though any
of those beating 64 is just nonsense). What does surprise me is seeing
someone actually pick it! --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/13/2008 8:13:59 PM | message detail |
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It'd shock me if Zelda 1 could even compete with Mario World. I'd expect it to do a little better than it did against Mario 3. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/14j2srq.gif |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2008 8:14:34 PM | message detail |
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I'd consider Zelda > Super Mario 64 long and hard... but > SMW? Seems like suicide to me! Your confidence is in the wrong Mario game. 64 is more comparable to Mario 3 than any of these games. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:15:22 PM | message detail |
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I would say Super Mario 64 Super Mario World Majora's Mask Wind Waker Zelda 1 Super Mario Bros. With 64/World being too close to call, MM not being too far back, WW being a little bit behind MM (as others have said I think it was performing near peak strength in '04 and will be back of that now thanks to TP stealing its thunder), and then Zelda 1/Mario 1 again being too close to call. You'd imagine the Zelda win as a easy pick given how close it came against Mario 3, but I still fear Mario 1's "legendary" or "important" or "historic" or whatever you want to call it vote too much to make that a sure thing. --- thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon! (thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat) |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:15:35 PM | message detail |
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64 ain't got ****. Screw that game. --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 8:15:43 PM | message detail |
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I think Zelda 1 vs. either of those games is suicide.. but I think
moreso against World. I just can't see it topping a universally liked
game like World -- I'm not sure if 64 is the same way. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:16:08 PM | message detail |
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Thing is, a little better than against Mario 3 is
almost competing with Mario World. What did it get, 43, 44%? LoZ
shouldn't be underestimated, I agree. It's not all franchise voting,
people really liked that game. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see it be
the #3 Zelda game. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:17:21 PM | message detail |
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If Z1 gets a pic with Blue Wizzrobes, it's screwed. --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 12/13/2008 8:18:30 PM | message detail |
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Let's attach a number to that, then. "A little better" to me is SMW
winning with 55%+, if not a bigger win. This is one of those things
where saying "Look at what it did against Mario 3 in 2004!" just
doesn't fly with me. It's much more simple - which of these games is
more popular, Super Mario World or the original Zelda? It's not one I
have to think about. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/14j2srq.gif |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 8:20:19 PM | message detail |
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yep, what HM said. I said this last topic -- this stuff just isn't linear. you can't go down the line like that. I don't think the original Zelda holds up for modern gamers, not like Mario 3. I know how you'll respond to this -- look at what it did against Mario 3! -- but I don't think it could improve on that by much, if at all. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:20:26 PM | message detail |
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Your confidence is in the wrong Mario game. 64 is more comparable to Mario 3 than any of these games. I have a hard time having confidence in the game that got quadrupled by another Zelda game. Not sure what is so nonsensical about it! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:25:15 PM | message detail |
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It's telling I think that Zelda 1 got #30 on the list and Final Fantasy
1 got #76. Take from that what you will. In fact, here are the orders
for the Big 3: The Legend of Zelda: 2. Ocarina of Time 4. A Link to the Past 30. The Legend of Zelda 45. Wind Waker 46. Majora's Mask Final Fantasy 1. Final Fantasy VII 10. Final Fantasy VI 12. Final Fantasy X 17. Final Fantasy VIII 19. Final Fantasy Tactics 42. Final Fantasy IX 50. Final Fantasy IV 76. Final Fantasy 89. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance Super Mario Bros. 5. Super Mario Bros. 3 13. Super Mario 64 22. Super Mario Bros. 23. Super Mario World 26. Super Mario RPG 82. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island It's surprising for me that Zelda had the fewest games on the top 100, if you count SMRPG and Yoshi's Island under SMB. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:26:30 PM | message detail |
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Oh don't get me wrong, I take SMW > LoZ pretty confidently, but I
hardly think an upset is out of the question, that's all I'm saying.
And not even from a purely stats viewpoint either. I'm not entirely
sold that SMW is leagues ahead of LoZ in popularity. I'd say this topic
in general tends to underestimate the slugger NES games. And relative
to their system, I'd say LoZ was the more popular game, which might be
a kicker. Mostly just playing devil's advocate though... don't think LoZ can break 46% there. But yeah, it's definitely not a lock. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:27:28 PM | message detail |
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It's pretty telling that FF got 5 games in the top 20, and Zelda's 3rd
game is all the way down at 30th. Even Mario got 5 games in there
before Zelda 1 comes in at 30th. By the way, FFTA vs. NSMB: Who you got? --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/13/2008 8:28:00 PM | message detail |
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I have a hard time having confidence in the game that got quadrupled
by another Zelda game. Not sure what is so nonsensical about it! Only tripled, thank you very much. I don't think it's nonsensical that people would take SMW over Mario 64, in fact I'd expect SMW to be the favorite. Actually, I'm already starting to doubt it just a teensy bit. But only that much. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:28:42 PM | message detail |
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Gotta go NSMB there. NSMB may have gotten a lukewarm reception, but it wouldn't almost lose to Fire Emblem. --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 8:28:44 PM | message detail |
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Majora's Mask is a Top Ten game for me. Wind Waker has the best
incarnations of any Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf (the extreme latter I
find somewhat likable) as far as I'm concerned. I would be floored beyond flooring if Zelda 1 lost to either of them. I'd expect something like CT > OoT sooner. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| ZFS | Posted 12/13/2008 8:29:17 PM | message detail |
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And while I wouldn't argue higher vote totals hurting Zelda games, I
would say that with some 40,000 more votes we're bound to have per
match, you're going to have a far more 'mainstream' pool of voters than
you had in 2004. I think Mario in particular would benefit from that
than anything else - Mario World is much bigger all around than Zelda
1. Mario being the biggest beneficiary of the Nintendo shift is
something to throw out there as well, and one reason why I think Mario
3 today would beat Zelda 1 with an easy 60%+ and reverse the result on
Chrono Trigger. Obviously, that's not all exclusive to Mario, but there's plenty of reason to believe there's been plenty of shifting around these past five years. The 2004 contest ain't going to be worth much of anything as far as predicting this next contest. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/14j2srq.gif |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:30:02 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, looking at that list, I still can hardly believe Zelda won the
Series Contest over FF. I mean, FFIX beat Wind Waker and Majora's Mask,
and FFTA appeared on the list. And definitely give me NSMB. I don't
know how FFTA managed a third of the vote against FFX, but I really
cannot see it having enough strength to beat NSMB. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:30:18 PM | message detail |
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The thing more surprising to me is that FFVIII is so high and Final Fantasy is lower than FFIV and FFIX. Am I the only one that'd at least consider FF over FFVIII? --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:30:42 PM | message detail |
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Probably! --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 8:31:04 PM | message detail |
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nominate Zelda 1 --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:31:04 PM | message detail |
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Plus, it's pretty interesting that the Mario series (at least
indirectly) is pretty close to the Zelda series despite OoT being well
above any Mario game and LttP being stronger than any of them as well.
Plus, there's the possibility of TP being stronger than any except
Mario 3. Explain that to me. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 12/13/2008 8:31:22 PM | message detail |
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Looking at that list, I still don't understand how Final Fantasy lost
in the series contest. And if FFVII wins again, I don't think I ever
will. --- FastFalcon and Solid Snake snapped my neck in the guru contest. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 12/13/2008 8:31:27 PM | message detail |
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It's surprising for me that Zelda had the fewest games on the top 100, if you count SMRPG and Yoshi's Island under SMB. Fewer Zelda games exist. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:32:05 PM | message detail |
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That being said, taking info off the top 100 list isn't the best thing
to do. That thing inflates what games would actually do in a contest
because you don't need to worry about people anti-voting and stuff like
that. A top 100 list only accounts for how many people like a game, not
how many people dislike it. --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 8:32:25 PM | message detail |
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nominate Zelda 1 ew nominating Zelda games let me think about this --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:32:53 PM | message detail |
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Gotta go NSMB there. NSMB may have gotten a lukewarm reception, but it wouldn't almost lose to Fire Emblem. FFTA didn't come anywhere close to losing to FE, so I don't know what your point is! Am I the only one that'd at least consider FF over FFVIII? I know you're trying to prove you're crazier than red sox, but come on, man! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:33:56 PM | message detail |
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Zelda 1 is the only Zelda game I'd consider nominating... I think we
need as many NES sluggers as we can get because they'll be hard to
call. But I still can't quite bring myself to do it. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:34:24 PM | message detail |
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...huh. Why did I think that match was close. Weird. Still taking NSMB there! --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w333/usagiaruku/1224857053726.jpg |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:34:45 PM | message detail |
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Remember that The List is primarily an indicator of nomination strength
rather than actual strength, and a quick look at the 2004 games bracket
confirms that FF had much, much more nomination power than LoZ. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=rpguy96 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:35:35 PM | message detail |
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...huh. Why did I think that match was close. Weird. Maybe you were thinking of Fire Emblem/Silent Hill! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 12/13/2008 8:35:40 PM | message detail |
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I know you're trying to prove you're crazier than red sox, but come on, man! Shut it, Squallboy !! (Red Mage > Squall fa life) --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/13/2008 8:36:05 PM | message detail |
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Mainstream voters? Well, if you believe mainstream voters are aligned
with the day vote....Zelda 1 won the day vote against SMB3. It got
42.31% from 3 AM to 3 PM and 44.32% from the start of the ASV to the
end. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| transience | Posted 12/13/2008 8:36:50 PM | message detail |
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FF1 isn't touching FF8. and are we really using the list to prove FF > Zelda? this isn't 2006! we shouldn't be using the list to prove much of anything anymore. not only is it a different format but it's way outdated now. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| ZFS | Posted 12/13/2008 8:37:46 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2592 ff1 over other ff games whoops ! --- http://i36.tinypic.com/14j2srq.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/13/2008 8:37:59 PM | message detail |
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and are we really using the list to prove FF > Zelda? Whoo, Series Contest! Bah, Zelda being so top heavy! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/13/2008 8:38:29 PM | message detail |
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You really can't take the Series Contest at face value - SMB had a
pretty obvious bandwagon going on against FF. It's a miracle FF lost to
Zelda by as little as it did, especially looking at the post-contest
poll. Speaking of which, anti-champ votes are pretty much the one thing that gives me worry about FF7. No matter what happens, it still seems to be perceived the king on this site. OoT could be weaker against indirect, neutral entities and still prevail if the "anti-repeat" sentiment were high enough. But I have a hard time seeing the OoT: FF7 ratio exceeding the Zelda: FF ratio, and there's only so much wiggle room OoT has between there before losing. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
