GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 647
| greatone10 | Posted 12/11/2008 2:53:51 AM | message detail |
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From: MichaelWClark | #299 And that was my point. Without the FF name, it wouldn't have come close to MGS. Just like I believe FF6 is overrated due to the name factor. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. I hereby bow to FastFalcon who FastFalcon Punched my bracket. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/11/2008 3:14:28 AM | message detail |
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| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/11/2008 3:14:55 AM | message detail |
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Are we still seriously discussing ToS It was a throwaway comment by me about ToS, pick a better game to argue over WoW guys --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 4:51:03 AM | message detail |
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WoW will fold to Mario because most of
this game has not played its games while simultaneously have played AND
liked Mario games. WC beat GTA on the strength of GTA's anti-votes as
much as whatever popularity it actually had, and it's no coincidence
that Starcraft got its start against the perennial whipping boy that is
Halo. In retrospect, considering how unconvincing its win was against
Halo and what we've seen bandwagons do, its non-bandwagon strength is
pretty low on the pecking order. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2008 7:57:41 AM | message detail |
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WoW will fold to say, SMB3, only because Mario is much much stronger
than WoW. It would do just as badly against any other game of Mario 3's
strength. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| swirIdude | Posted 12/11/2008 8:01:22 AM | message detail |
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This year's NCAA Games tournament seems to have been canceled Yeah...I hate college life for that. Maybe it'll come back if I can find time next term. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 FastFalcon: His predictions cure teen pregnancy. |
| hailEC | Posted 12/11/2008 8:02:33 AM | message detail |
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WoW will fold to say, SMB3, only because Mario is much much stronger
than WoW. It would do just as badly against any other game of Mario 3's
strength. Exactly... which should not be considered "folding," it would perform just like it should. --- all hail ec your lord and savior except FastFalcon, he's so legit you must bow down to his ass too. |
| transience | Posted 12/11/2008 8:06:14 AM | message detail |
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CTDS - Europe - February 6 middle of the contest for a game that never made it over there? oh yeah --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 8:07:51 AM | message detail |
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Uh, I wasn't necessarily talking about Mario 3. SMW, Galaxy, Yoshi's
Island - if it's got a playership rate and is generally liked, it's
going to cream WoW. Anyone that doesn't think Tetris would easily beat
it is in for a rude awakening come contest time. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 12/11/2008 8:12:07 AM | message detail |
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CTDS coming out in Europe should provide a nice boost, but I don't
think it's particularly hyped there, is it? I could see CTDS taking a
fair amount of time to become popular in Europe, so that the boost it
provides will be gradual, not all at once. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. As is FastFalcon |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2008 9:31:34 AM | message detail |
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Gradual boost who needs gradual boosts CT > FFVII here we come CT 50.00% FFVII 49.95% OOT 48.00% LTTP 40.00% SSBM 39.00% SMB3 39.00% Let's do this --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/11/2008 9:53:58 AM | message detail |
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lol at the notion of Axfail Steel beating a Zelda character. That was
one of the worst picks anyone could make. The Legend of Zelda fanbase
will NOT let their series fold. (Except for Tingle, but who cares about
him anyway?) Zelda refused to fold to Mario in round 1. Axfail Steel,
in addition to nearly getting tripled by MIDNA, lost to Edgeworth by
5%. Hell, even Cloud and Mewtwo (Mewtwo especially) got hit hard by the
dedication of the Zelda fanbase. And Midna is miles apart from
Ganondorf in terms of contest strength. But hey, maybe he can beat
Tingle! ...Except Guitar Hero characters (or avatars, better yet) have
no place in these contests whatsoever. (And neither does Tingle, for
that matter.) --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/11/2008 10:23:03 AM | message detail |
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Navi might be weaker than Tingle even. And she'd still beat Axel in that spot. Anyone think ALttP could beat FF7? I don't think it was as far behind OoT as the stats implied, and if OoT's enough ahead of FF7, ALttP could be as well. Huge longshot of course, but I'd like to see that match. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2008 10:35:31 AM | message detail |
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No, FFVII beat CT with over 58%, and CT probably overperformed if
anything. LTTP gets over 45% on OOT in the stats....that's higher than
I would expect, although not unreasonable, but I can't see LTTP
realistically being much closer to OOT than that. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 11:14:46 AM | message detail |
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If OoT is ahead of FF7 at ALL, it'll be Zelda/FF style. LttP's chances
of beating FF7 are practically zero (I say "practically" because if FF7
is saddled with the same stigma that allowed SMB to score 47% on FF,
who knows what can happen). --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/11/2008 11:19:34 AM | message detail |
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Ya know, I think that both SSBM and Chrono Trigger probably overperformed against FF7. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2008 11:25:05 AM | message detail |
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Mario 3 > SSBM And I've said this before, but looking at the Game of the Century poll again, I'm really looking forward to seeing what Resident Evil 4. I don't think it's done anything but impress in every poll it's been in. Mario Kart 64 vs. Super Smash Bros. 64: Who you got? Also, how do you guys think FFX-2 would fare in a contest setting? Would you take it head-to-head over any PS FF? --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| transience | Posted 12/11/2008 11:27:31 AM | message detail |
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you thought that was impressive for RE4? I thought it was the opposite. don't look at it beating TP, cause that's not fair -- look at how far it was behind FFX. I thought it was right there with FFX on the cusp of the top 10, but it looked a good bit behind. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2008 11:29:21 AM | message detail |
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RE4 was probably getting hindered by all of the Nintendo in that poll,
even though probably not as much as the others. FFX was completely
unhindered there. The only other non-Nintendo game was San Andreas,
which has no excuses for how poorly it did there. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 11:34:41 AM | message detail |
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CT overperforming against FF7, I can buy (at least relative to what it
"should" have gotten, considering the SFF). But SSBM? It absolutely
flopped against FF7 - that, plus it barely (and undeservedly) escaping
its division was one of the big rationales for The Boost helping SSB
most of all. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2008 11:35:31 AM | message detail |
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Undeservedly? I wish FFX stood a chance in a rematch. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| transience | Posted 12/11/2008 11:35:46 AM | message detail |
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RE4, hindered by Nintendo? was Leon hindered by Kirby then? --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 11:37:34 AM | message detail |
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Hey, look at how Leon performed relative to Dante when a Nintendo character WASN'T in the match! ...sometimes I wish I knew when I was joking --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2008 11:37:50 AM | message detail |
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Games are a bit different, I'd say. Unless you think Link would SFF James Bond, that is!! Same thing with FFVII/MGS though. Seems pretty obvious to me that FFVII SFF'd it, but Solid Snake did just fine against Cloud and Sephiroth. And Link sure didn't SFF L-Block! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/11/2008 11:38:52 AM | message detail |
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I wouldn't call Melee's match a flop. We didn't really put it (or FFX)
in the same category as Mario 3 or FFVI until The List, and by then we
had The Boost. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=rpguy96 |
| transience | Posted 12/11/2008 11:40:56 AM | message detail |
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I'm high on RE4 as well - top 15 at the very least - but I can't say
that a large loss to FF10 is ever a good showing. the star of that
match for me is TP, who showed that it would almost definitely be in
FF10's class without two big Nintendo titles. seriously, look at
Crono/Mario this year and then consider TP/Galaxy/Wind Waker/FF10. I
like TP for a top 10 title. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| TestIcicles | Posted 12/11/2008 11:42:33 AM | message detail |
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I'd take RE4 > TP out of sheer fanboyism and pray. --- mmm test icicles |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2008 11:45:57 AM | message detail |
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Oh, I'd definitely take Twilight Princess over Final Fantasy X. After
all, FFX/Wind Waker is still considered a toss-up, I think, and it
definitely was in 2004. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| transience | Posted 12/11/2008 11:46:10 AM | message detail |
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I'm scared of taking RE4 against any top-tier title from the Big Three
-- and when you're up that high, that's pretty much all you're dealing
with. the only game in its class that I'd feel comfortable about
picking RE4 is Goldeneye. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| TestIcicles | Posted 12/11/2008 11:48:32 AM | message detail |
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I agree... if only Twilight Princess didn't have the name Zelda in front of it. :( --- mmm test icicles |
| transience | Posted 12/11/2008 11:49:03 AM | message detail |
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yep. I'd even struggle with something lower. Mario World vs. RE4? yuck. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/11/2008 11:50:02 AM | message detail |
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What about RE4/MGS? (that would be a nice ode to the rather failed RE/MGS match as well) --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=rpguy96 |
| transience | Posted 12/11/2008 11:51:02 AM | message detail |
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I'd probably go MGS just because of MGS4. I'm not convinced that RE4
has universal appeal -- or rather, that it has the playrate that other
big games do. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2008 11:52:45 AM | message detail |
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That's why we need a cross-generational Games Contest! Division 128 has
the highest average strength from the Games Contest (though obviously
the two strongest games are from 32/64), but how would they hold up
against the classics? That's the big question. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-withtoupee.gif |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/11/2008 11:54:38 AM | message detail |
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MGS had 75% playership in 2005; I don't think it's ridiculous to think
RE4 is similar when it's on all three of the most popular modern
consoles. And if you want to talk about failing to stand up to something with a name, there's always the MGS/FFT match... --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=rpguy96 |
| TestIcicles | Posted 12/11/2008 11:57:54 AM | message detail |
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I'd definitely take RE4 over MGS... not guaranteeing victory, but I'd
feel better about it than the other way around, same goes for Mario
World, but I'm the guy who just said he'd take RE4 over TP so uh... --- mmm test icicles |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 11:59:14 AM | message detail |
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I wouldn't call Melee's match a flop. We didn't really put it (or
FFX) in the same category as Mario 3 or FFVI until The List, and by
then we had The Boost. Still, you'd think the strongest game from the 128-era could at least match the second tier of the 16-era - especially given that it was going up an FF7 that had just beaten OoT and primed to suffer from a bandwagon. It likely wasn't above the second tier of the 32-era either. The argument is academic, anyway. The SSBM that scored more on ALL OF SUPER MARIO BROTHERS as compared to FF7 is a totally different entity. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 12:03:28 PM | message detail |
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And I know I'm the resident MGS fanboy here, but taking MGS/FFT as
anything other than an historical anomaly is just asking for trouble.
It's like comparing Snake 2k4 to Snake 2k5 at the very least. Plus that
match was all kinds of weird, but I'd be stunned if FFT could break 40%
on MGS today. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| transience | Posted 12/11/2008 12:05:09 PM | message detail |
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silly question, but FFT or FF1? 'cause I doubt you're taking MGS over Mario 3. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/11/2008 12:07:22 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't take FFT to be especially close nowadays either, and there's
a reason it's not even in the discussion when we talk about games in
the MGS tier, but the question is why
did FFT come so close? We can probably agree that MGS was strong back
then, since it did great on The List and that was before Snake's
superboost, so why did it let FFT almost beat it? I think the name
"Final Fantasy" has a lot to do with that, and if we're talking about
being cautious about taking RE4 over something with a name that's
worthwhile to bring up. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=rpguy96 |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 12/11/2008 12:07:55 PM | message detail |
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FFT/FF1 would be really weird I mean REALLY weird I'd go with FFT for a wacky upset --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 12:08:19 PM | message detail |
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FFT, though it's without confidence. Still, it's not like FF1 puts up
that number on Mario 3 again. There's a lot of results the Games
Contest yielded that we wouldn't even come close to seeing with the
votes we get today. Could Xenogears even put up 35% on G/S/C? --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| transience | Posted 12/11/2008 12:09:04 PM | message detail |
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I think the point is that 2k4 Snake almost lost to Frog, bombed against
Mega Man and had people arguing Zelda and Bowser over him throughout
the 2k5 contest. there's two boosts there -- one from 2k4 to 2k5, and
another from 2k5 to 2k6. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 12:09:51 PM | message detail |
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We can probably agree that MGS was strong back then, since it did
great on The List and that was before Snake's superboost, so why did it
let FFT almost beat it? Snake boosted almost as much from 2004 to 2005 (list year) as he did from 2k5 to 2k6. 2004 was just a bad year for MGS. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/11/2008 12:12:54 PM | message detail |
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I don't think 2k4 Snake is particularly off from 2k5 Snake. Yeah, Snake
beat Zelda and Bowser, but the Zeldafear was primarily from her first
round crushing of Vivi and he only just held off Bowser. The result on
Mario was decent, but still placed him at the tail end of the Noble
Nine, and you'd do better arguing that Crono/Mega Man/Sonic were
falling off rather than Snake rising in the ranks that year. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=rpguy96 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/11/2008 12:17:02 PM | message detail |
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2004 was a bad year for MGS. Snake failed to get 60% on Knuckles,
nearly lost to Frog (Solid ****....), bombed against Mega Man, and as a
result, had people arguing Bowser and Zelda over him (the former almost
succeeded, too). Speaking of which, the "I Feel Asleep!!" was more from
Bowser's end, as he hasn't been able to show his strength since his
loss to Solid **** in 2005. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 12:17:23 PM | message detail |
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Considering how overrated Dream ended up being compared to the rest of
Snake's path, it's foolish to take that result as anything but the
result of the picture. And the Zeldafear *was* warranted, especially
considering that Vivi ended up pretty much around where we thought he
was... we just didn't get to see Zelda's trailer boost due to the 2k4
cap. The point is that Snake put up as much on Super Mario as he did on
Mega Man the year before, and that's nothing to scoff at. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/11/2008 12:25:20 PM | message detail |
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Sure, Bowser was a picture, but so was Frog (and he had a better one to
work with to boot). I didn't remember Snake doing as well on Mario as
Mega Man, though. Hard to say where Mega Man was in 2k4 thanks to
bombing to Link, but that's impressive nonetheless. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=rpguy96 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/11/2008 12:31:21 PM | message detail |
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That's just the thing, though - take those two matches relative to one another. Is Frog even in the same league
as Bowser? Solid **** going from barely holding off Frog to barely
holding off Bowser is a massive jump in improvement, I think, even if
the overall story is just how BAD Sprite Snake is. (no coincidence that everything behind Yoshi 2k6 is starting to get exposed, too!) --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 12/11/2008 12:34:47 PM | message detail |
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But, as I said, Frog had a lot more to work with - a much better sprite
and a much worse Snake sprite. Remember that Ryu didn't really do
anything against Sprite Snake for some reason and that was the one
match of four that Snake actually beat L-Block, so it's not instant
doom. It depends on how well the opposite character can take advantage
of it. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=rpguy96 |
