GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 647
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/10/2008 4:27:45 PM | message detail |
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I'll take Melee indirectly for several reasons, some of which are admittedly weak: 1. Melee has higher sales. 2. Melee presumably has higher playership, as Wii ownership is not even close to Melee's playership. Of course, Brawl playership is quite possibly higher than Wii ownership (Melee's was higher than GC ownership according to Gamefaqs polls), but Melee ought to still have an advantage here. 3. The amount of Brawl fans who dislike Melee seems to be much smaller than the amount of Melee fans who dislike Brawl. 4. Even on Board 8, it's arguable that Melee is stronger indirectly. Melee went undefeated in the NCAA Games tournament last year, going 31-0 I think and facing some very tough opponents. This year's NCAA Games tournament seems to have been canceled, but before that happened, it took Brawl all of 3 matches (or was it 2?) to lose to an opponent, Chrono Trigger. Admittedly CT is a very tough opponent on Board 8, but that never stopped Melee. This was also months ago, when Brawl was still crushing Melee in Yoblazer's head to head polls. I think Brawl finished a tad below 60% in the most recent poll. As for Melee vs. Brawl directly, that match would make me very nervous, but I think Melee is stronger indirectly and rSFF is always hard to do. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/10/2008 4:35:19 PM | message detail |
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Interesting points, red. I'm not sure I understand #2 (shifty eyes) and
#1 is debatable (I think they're about equal now or Brawl just
passed Melee; either way, Brawl will have more sales in a couple months
when it'll matter). I definitely agree with #3, though. Brawl is very
popular, but there are still a number of vocal Melee fans who consider
it a disappointment, whereas the same can't be said the other way
around. Surprisingly enough, I also think #4 is pretty valid, which makes me want to scratch my head and yell at Board 8. I've run quite a few of those Brawl vs. Melee polls, and Brawl has never, ever broken a sweat. That said, in many other contests around here, it has struggled to beat games that Melee would have tossed aside. Would you guys make up your minds, or do you enjoy being a pathetic little microcosm if SFF zaniness? --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... FastFalcon own me... in the Guru Contest! |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 12/10/2008 5:00:32 PM | message detail |
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Brawl was up to 7.47 mil worldwide as of October 1st, according to the
official numbers from Nintendo. From what I see here, Melee never made
it to 7 million worldwide... However, in terms of US-only they're both
right around the 3.6 million mark total. --- thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon! (thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat) |
| MichaelWClark | Posted 12/10/2008 5:06:56 PM | message detail |
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From: Xuxon | #240 Clearly no other game from 8 bit did except Mario 3. FF VI at least had a lead on ALttP so maybe it could have a slight argument for #5.m(but one with virtually no evidence) 32/64 has nothing after the top 2. So it comes down to 128. And it comes down to Melee vs WW (too bad we never actually got to see the match) for who would be #5. While Melee would probably be the favorite, we don't really know for sure, as they were both close to each other. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| Xuxon | Posted 12/10/2008 5:14:23 PM | message detail |
| Starcraft weirdness was the only reason it even
looked close to Melee. Besides, if you're using x-stats there, you may
as well for the rest, which puts Mario 3 and FF6 clearly above it even
despite possible FF7/CT SFF. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/24, Marcello defeated (12 attempts) Always bet on Snake. I learned this from our guru, FastFalcon05. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/10/2008 5:16:40 PM | message detail |
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I know I'm being stubborn as a mule here, likely, but IMO, this past
contest, Mewtwo got the most undeserved trip to the quarterfinals since
Scorpion in 2002. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MichaelWClark | Posted 12/10/2008 5:39:45 PM | message detail |
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From: Xuxon | #255 You act like WW looked weak before it met SC. It killed it's first 2 opponents. Melee seems to be what most people consider #5 (more so than Mario 3 anyway), and WW would have had a close match with it. It might have even won just by it's namesake. I am not saying it is 5, I am however saying it was one of the few in the discussion...since 5 is not nearly as clear as the top4 were. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| ZFS | Posted 12/10/2008 6:02:15 PM | message detail |
| Brawl should come in either slightly above or
slightly below Melee, but it shouldn't be anything significant, not
enough to separate the two by tiers. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/311kh8w.gif |
| Advanced_Koko8 | Posted 12/10/2008 6:03:31 PM | message detail |
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So when will SBAllen put up the bracket? --- "You shouldn't joke about semen. Sooner or later, the joke will be on you"-VaporiteTheButt |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/10/2008 6:49:39 PM | message detail |
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| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/10/2008 7:08:08 PM | message detail |
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This. Just like Cloud/Midna/Edgeworth/Axel Steel, where BT thought
that Axel Steel would be worth a damn, and promptly got his ass
humiliated big time. Or it's just like the much more relevant Warcraft/Grand Theft Auto where everybody in this topic was dead set that GTA was going to win 55-45 and BT humiliated your asses big time. And I'm not exactly saying TP will be weaker than MM or WW, but if any Zelda game is going to fall well below expectations it will be TP. MM and WW have a core fanbase, TP does not, especially with all the stigma the Wii has been getting recently. And since my last big upset ended up being a dud, this next big upset will go through, since it seems to alternate. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 FastFalcon is apparantly better at contesty stuff than me. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/10/2008 7:09:20 PM | message detail |
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And since my last big upset ended up being a dud, this next big upset will go through, since it seems to alternate. Don't get so ahead of youself! --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/10/2008 7:10:26 PM | message detail |
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hey black turtle you're dumb --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/10/2008 7:15:11 PM | message detail |
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LOL at one of the most hated games on GameFAQs beating any big name
title. WoW will get anti-voted so much, it'd be lucky to get out of
round 1. And you're a hypocrite, BT. After all, you yourself said that
recency will have a big impact on this contest, yet you turn around and
give Warcraft respect? And Warcraft/GTA is among the (very few) pieces
of evidence in favor of Warcraft so far. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/10/2008 7:15:43 PM | message detail |
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MM and WW have a core fanbase, TP does not Poll 2995 (01/13/08) BEST OF 2007: Game of the Century (so far) 27768 24.75% 2001: Final Fantasy X 7068 6.3% 2002: Metroid Prime 5070 4.52% 2003: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 15646 13.95% 2004: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 20435 18.22% 2005: Resident Evil 4 18910 16.86% 2006: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 17279 15.4% 2007: Super Mario Galaxy TOTAL VOTES: 112176 and this was a year after release. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/10/2008 7:26:37 PM | message detail |
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WoW has managed to stay very relevant, what with that big expansion
pack thing that came out a few weeks ago. It has also managed to be one
of the only PC exclusives that is really popular in the last few years.
That's the reason the playership rate is so low. Give it a 360 port and
see the number of players get over 50%. My point is that unless people being rallied to GameFAQs are saying "Screw WoW, I LOVE Mario 3 more than any game can come close to!" about WoW's competition, it will be getting those rallies. This isn't Warcraft the series, or a few of its characters, this is the game itself. Those nerds will try to make a statement about their livelyhood. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 FastFalcon is apparantly better at contesty stuff than me. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/10/2008 7:27:25 PM | message detail |
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Seriously, just drop it already... --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/10/2008 7:30:31 PM | message detail |
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I would maybe pick Tales of Symphonia over WoW. Tales of ****ing Symphonia. WoW not only has a horrible playrate on this site, it is actively hated by many. It's going to be a low midcarder at best, is much more likely to be fodder, and will only do well if it receives tens of thousands of rally votes. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/10/2008 7:31:30 PM | message detail |
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I would maybe pick Tales of Symphonia over WoW. Tales of ****ing Symphonia. WoW not only has a horrible playrate on this site, it is actively hated by many. It's going to be a low midcarder at best, is much more likely to be fodder, and will only do well if it receives tens of thousands of rally votes. As would I. And this is from someone who doesn't even like the game. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/10/2008 7:32:29 PM | message detail |
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um.. i'm not so sure about that myself. Tales of Symphonia is more than
likely hardly any bigger than Skies of Arcadia, and i wouldnt take that
over WoW... ever. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| trannyscience | Posted 12/10/2008 7:32:30 PM | message detail |
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god dammit --- xyzzy |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/10/2008 7:34:39 PM | message detail |
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A Tales game? Let's not go nuts. WoW is
probably one of the big reasons Warcraft beat GTA. The Tales series
would be very lucky to crack 40% in Warcraft's place there. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... FastFalcon own me... in the Guru Contest! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/10/2008 7:36:34 PM | message detail |
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Tales of ****ing Symphonia. WoW not only has a horrible playrate on
this site, it is actively hated by many. It's going to be a low
midcarder at best, is much more likely to be fodder, and will only do
well if it receives tens of thousands of rally votes. Somebody hasn't been following the last 5 character battles. Fails won't be beating anything, assuming the tasteless users on this board manage to get that abortion of a game into the contest (which actually wouldn't surprise me). If that matchup happens, I'm willing to leave the board forever if WoW loses. And I'm now done arguing for WoW. It's hard to say how good it will do when we have no idea what it will be up against come contest time, so lets stop with the pointless speculation. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 FastFalcon is apparantly better at contesty stuff than me. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/10/2008 7:37:56 PM | message detail |
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Somebody hasn't been following the last 5 character battles. Fails
won't be beating anything, assuming the tasteless users on this board
manage to get that abortion of a game into the contest (which actually
wouldn't surprise me). Games != Characters. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/10/2008 7:37:59 PM | message detail |
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If that matchup happens, I'm willing to leave the board forever if WoW loses. Someone send a feedback ticket to Bacon And yes ToS. I'm wary of WoW vs. anything. It's strength will depend almost entirely on outside sources. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 12/10/2008 7:47:25 PM | message detail |
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You're looking to closely to those polls. They mean very little to actual contests, considering no one gives a **** about them. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/10/2008 7:57:07 PM | message detail |
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you mean polls like today's? yeah, i suppose you could be right... but it could be that Warcraft as a series is really that big, but as a game, horrible. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 12/10/2008 8:03:35 PM | message detail |
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Warcraft won its match in the series contest since Warcraft went
against GTA, a series that is hated almost as much as WoW is around
here. And let us not forget that Warcraft the series was in the series
contest, and the rest of the series is not as despised. Yeah, WoW probably would lose against anything, except maybe joke entries like Big Rigs. And since there are no joke entries in this contest, I cannot think of any game that WoW can potentially win a match against. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/10/2008 8:30:53 PM | message detail |
| We are now at 36685 nominations. They've slowed to
a crawl; we won't be seeing much more until (presumably) Bacon puts it
on the front page. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/10/2008 8:49:01 PM | message detail |
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World of Warcraft vs. Zack Fair let's do this. So what does everyone think about the SMB3/SSBM match that's been discussed for years? --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/10/2008 8:52:53 PM | message detail |
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SMB3 and not looking back. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| hailEC | Posted 12/10/2008 8:56:12 PM | message detail |
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if WoW lost to ToS... I don't think I could put it into words --- all hail ec your lord and savior except FastFalcon, he's so legit you must bow down to his ass too. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/10/2008 9:01:40 PM | message detail |
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Hate to stay on the subject of WoW any longer, but WoW will arguably be
the most anti-voted game in the contest...and its play-rate is ****. We
see today's poll, and gamers as well as non-gamers very often rip into
it. It's even trendy to make fun of it -- South Park's "Make Love, Not Warcraft" is one of the milestone episodes of the entire series, for example. If it gets close to any game with a reasonable fanbase, people will flock to the other game to see it lose. WoW will probably need to rally literally multiple times as much as it ever has before in order to win some respectable matches. --- FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it? ...I don't want to talk about it. |
| MichaelWClark | Posted 12/10/2008 9:01:53 PM | message detail |
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From: red sox 777 | #280 Melee, probably easily too. Except SMB 3, ALttP and CT, really not many games from before 64/PSX looked that strong. I take the newer games with ease. I mean, look how bad Super Metroid (regarded by many as the best game of that gen) did, same with Sonic 2. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| charmander6000 | Posted 12/10/2008 9:07:24 PM | message detail |
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Warcraft III or World of Warcraft? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Congratulations to FastFalcon for winning the guru contest, you are the best among the best. |
| WalrusJump | Posted 12/10/2008 9:12:55 PM | message detail |
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You're all HIGHLY underestimating WoW. If Starcraft and Diablo could make runs in the '04 BGE and the Villains Contest, imagine what WoW, a game with 11 million players, could do. Yes, WoW is hated by many on here, but seriously, ToS beating WoW? Are you kidding? --- http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8787/1174485118442ge3.jpg FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/10/2008 9:16:03 PM | message detail |
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Tales of Symphonia would get a lot of votes against WoW, simply from
being not WoW. Probably not enough for a win, and WoW has lots of rally
power if needed though. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/10/2008 9:20:19 PM | message detail |
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You're all HIGHLY underestimating WoW. If Starcraft and Diablo could make runs in the '04 BGE and the Villains Contest, imagine what WoW, a game with 11 million players, could do. Yes, WoW is hated by many on here, but seriously, ToS beating WoW? Are you kidding? Starcraft faced 3 opponents that were anti-vote lightning rods. The board went wild after it defeated Halo, a FPS on the Xbox, which was hated back then (after all, Master Chief almost lost to FELIX, of all characters in his first match ever). It got even more support after an easy win over Kingdom Hearts, which was mocked as a kiddy game. And it defeated Wind Waker, the Zelda game which really had the fans of the series in a whirlwind of doubt. Diablo sure made an impressive run in the Villains Contest, but that contest was full of turbofodder. WoW will be an even bigger anti-vote magnet than Halo was back then, most likely. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| ZFS | Posted 12/10/2008 9:23:57 PM | message detail |
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Super Metroid did poorly because it ran into Zelda. Can't expect it to
do anything but fold there. Gotta give it a real non-Nintendo opponent
to go up against. As far as SMB3/Melee goes, that's a tough call. I think I'd side with Mario 3 in a close one, but Melee could pull something off there. I think Mario 3's the stronger game indirectly, but in a match against each other, there's no telling. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/311kh8w.gif |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/10/2008 9:54:55 PM | message detail |
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I still don't know what everyone's saying about WoW hate. If anything,
I've seen more Nintendo hate lately than anything else. The only place
that seems to be venomously anti-WoW is this topic oddly enough. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 FastFalcon is apparantly better at contesty stuff than me. |
| MichaelWClark | Posted 12/10/2008 9:58:48 PM | message detail |
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #290 67% non play rate. Goodnight sweet prince. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/10/2008 9:59:23 PM | message detail |
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Don't even act like sales matter Walrus, especially for a PC game. The Sims hasn't seen a contest yet. WoW is no Starcraft, and considering Halo/Stracraft had ~6,000 more votes that FF7/Suikoden (which had 7,000+ more votes than any other match), WoW would have to have a LOT of rallying ahead of it. WoW-fans will need more of a reason to rally than simply seeing it win to pull some big heroics; SC-fans were first outraged at the 16-seed, then it had to face three largely-dissed games in a row, then had a bandwagon, then it was in the division final, then it was caught cheating. All the while, it was always in close matches where people's votes mattered. That is a LOT of reason, even for a game widely liked and supported on GameFAQs. WoW may have numbers, but they still need reason to matter a lot. Also, for the record, if it wasn't for rallying, the only primarily-PC game that would have made it into Round Two in the last BGE was Doom. Furthermore, the Top 100 List suggests WoW isn't even one of the top five games -- Starcraft and D2 smoke it, HL1 and HL2 are firmly ahead, and even Doom is a little ahead of it. PC-games without rallies aren't so hot and WoW will very easily be the weakest of the Blizzard games pre-rallies. Not that it means a whole lot or is too different from what we've BEEN saying, but that's another mark against WoW --- FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it? ...I don't want to talk about it. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/10/2008 10:01:52 PM | message detail |
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I still don't know what everyone's saying about WoW hate. If anything, I've seen more Nintendo hate lately than anything else. I'm glad you're here -- I'm here to remind you that I don't think you've acknowledged the Game of the Century poll in your comments about WoW > LoZ:TP. --- FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it? ...I don't want to talk about it. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/10/2008 10:15:17 PM | message detail |
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Also, BT, you think that ToS will flop just because its characters
don't do well? By that logic, Final Fantasy 6 will do terrible because
its characters don't do well. Guess what's wrong with that logic. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." -Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/10/2008 10:29:18 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but, ToS will flop. Sorry...still support your general idea! --- FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it? ...I don't want to talk about it. |
| Gaddswell | Posted 12/11/2008 1:06:19 AM | message detail |
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WoW vs Persona 3? >_> --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u205/MapleMasta/IkeClimbers2.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDaGWrPcjb8 |
| greatone10 | Posted 12/11/2008 1:46:18 AM | message detail |
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Tales of Symphonia would not beat WoW. I highly doubt ToS even has a
25% play rate on this site, and it's certainly not going to pick up any
apathetic voters that a Donkey Kong or Duck Hunt would/ --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. I hereby bow to FastFalcon who FastFalcon Punched my bracket. |
| greatone10 | Posted 12/11/2008 1:47:56 AM | message detail |
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From: Fayt_Esteed | #294 It wouldn't shock me in the least if FF6 was quite a bit overrated due to its name. Maybe not as much as Kefka and co. would suggest, but you gotta figure it is a factor, unless you really think FFTactics is really as popular as Metal Gear Solid. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. I hereby bow to FastFalcon who FastFalcon Punched my bracket. |
| MichaelWClark | Posted 12/11/2008 1:51:39 AM | message detail |
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From: greatone10 | #298 From: Fayt_Esteed | #294 It wouldn't shock me in the least if FF6 was quite a bit overrated due to its name. Maybe not as much as Kefka and co. would suggest, but you gotta figure it is a factor, unless you really think FFTactics is really as popular as Metal Gear Solid. Actually, as someone who was here during the match, Tactics was more popular than MGS. great amount of end game cheating there. And that is all purely off of it's name of course, having the name FF or LoZ is a god send in this contest. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| hailEC | Posted 12/11/2008 2:24:39 AM | message detail |
| The idea that WoW will fold to something like
Mario is completely wrong. The entire reason Warcraft folded to Mario
in the series contest, was because it was just that, the series
contest. Even crazy WoW fanboys were saying "lol no the warcraft series
doesn't come close to mario's longevity." They were
making their decisions based on the merits of the series as a whole,
and it's pretty clear that warcraft is nowhere in the league of Mario.
Not to mention that tons of people who play WoW could give a **** about
the rts games. The same thing happened to Halo against Castlevania... is someone really going to say that a Halo game has no shot against a Castlevania game? Halo fanboys are among some of the most rowdy, fanboyish people there are out of the video game crowd, but they were able to realize, hey Halo has 2 games to it's name, and for the most part they're essentially the same game. I can't remember how many people I saw on the Halo boards saying Halo didn't deserve to be even as close as it was to CV as it was (55-45). When you take WoW and put it up against something like Mario 3, it's going to lose, but that's because Mario 3 is stronger than WoW could ever dream to be in a 1v1 format, not because it would fold under the weight of the Mario name. In fact WoW would probably end up looking better against something like Mario 3 as compared to a game like Metal Gear Solid because it has such a devout fanbase, yet at the same time a very small one (comparatively), on gamefaqs. --- all hail ec your lord and savior except FastFalcon, he's so legit you must bow down to his ass too. |
