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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 647

ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 6:41:32 PM | message detail
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THIS IS SPAWN'S ONLY CHANCE TO GET INTO A CONTEST IT MUST HAPPENNNN
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 6:42:24 PM | message detail
If Bacon combines all the combinations of SCII, then which one gets displayed on the match pic?
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 6:43:20 PM | message detail
Probably the one with Link because that's the only one anybody bothered with.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/12/2008 6:44:00 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #452
If Bacon combines all the combinations of SCII, then which one gets displayed on the match pic?



Link imo
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 6:48:26 PM | message detail
Let's see how Link would look!

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...Hmm.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 6:49:03 PM | message detail
SCII with 90%
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/12/2008 6:49:10 PM | message detail
lol SC would go far then.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 6:52:07 PM | message detail
Anybody have any other match pics for me? REAL matches. Not just two of your favorite games put together.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 6:56:57 PM | message detail
Metal Gear Solid vs. GoldenEye, of course.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 7:02:51 PM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/12/2008 7:20:15 PM | message detail
Anyone else think that Goldeneye is going to be a good bit less strong? It seems like a game that would really be hurt with age, as FPSs just advance more and more. Nostalgia only gets you so far.

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trannyscience | Posted 12/12/2008 7:21:52 PM | message detail
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trannyscience | Posted 12/12/2008 7:22:31 PM | message detail
depends what you think of SSB and Majora's Mask, I guess..

Which classic Nintendo 64 game would you most like to see announced for the Wii's Virtual Console?

Donkey Kong 64 8.44% 7412
GoldenEye 29.57% 25966
Harvest Moon 64 6.19% 5439
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 23.87% 20960
Mario Golf 1.77% 1551
Perfect Dark 9.69% 8512
Pilotwings 64 2.93% 2575
Super Smash Bros. 17.52% 15387
TOTAL VOTES 87802

it certainly didn't disappoint.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/12/2008 7:24:44 PM | message detail
Eh, in a similar poll Earthbound got close to Chrono Trigger. I don't have much faith in them.

It's just that whenever I mention Goldeneye to anyone anymore, they usually go "Man, those were some fun times...it kind of sucks now though." it'll still be strong, just not as strong as in 2k4.

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trannyscience | Posted 12/12/2008 7:26:08 PM | message detail
woo CT/FF6/Secret of Mana/I think maybe something else too in the same poll not to mention CTDS coming out

Goldeneye was dated as hell in 2005 too. it's not like people hadn't played Halo then, and it still got #7.

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ZFS | Posted 12/12/2008 7:46:07 PM | message detail
Goldeneye should do well enough. I'd probably put it in the same group as MGS1 and RE4 - which may be high or low depending on where you stand it seems. I think it's a good top 20 game. Given how people still talk about the game, I don't think age would hurt it anymore than it hurts other popular games from that era.

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 7:46:40 PM | message detail
Any other pics?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 12/12/2008 8:00:54 PM | message detail
Super Mario 64 is the only game I can think of that might be hurt by aging, since it's been surpassed by a superior sequel in that time. It probably won't be, but there's a small chance.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 8:36:53 PM | message detail
Mario 64 is less likely to be forgotten over time because, well, it's Mario. GoldenEye always runs the risk of being forgotten as time goes by because it's not from a big series.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 8:40:09 PM | message detail
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 8:48:11 PM | message detail
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*yawn*
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 8:51:12 PM | message detail
Try doing pics other than the game covers if you're getting bored with it!
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 8:53:13 PM | message detail
No! I enjoy these! It's just getting hard to think of decent/cool matches...

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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/12/2008 8:54:39 PM | message detail
The second one is probably Killer 7 easy, just cause this site hates the PS3.

Mario 64 obviously, but I have this nagging feeling for some reason that KH would make a match out of it, though I don't know why.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 8:54:54 PM | message detail
Oh, a good match...

Final Fantasy VIII vs. Metroid Prime?
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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/12/2008 8:55:05 PM | message detail
Super Mario RPG in a rout
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/12/2008 8:55:29 PM | message detail
I said it before, if you really want 128 games, have the first round be 4 way and then a 1v1 with the remaining 64 games. No big games get "screwed" as MWC put it, and you get to see all the Fails games you want get the piss beat out of them. That's the only reasonable alternative to a straight 64 bracket, unless you want to do a 96 entrant bracket with a 3-way match at the end of it.
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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/12/2008 8:55:48 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #475
Oh, a good match...

Final Fantasy VIII vs. Metroid Prime?




Second tier Final Fantasy vs First tier Metroid.


Doesn't even matter. FF VIII by a comfortable margin.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/12/2008 8:56:49 PM | message detail
Actually, second tier Final Fantasy vs second tier Metroid.

First tier Metroid is Super Metroid and that's it.
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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/12/2008 8:57:00 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #477
I said it before, if you really want 128 games, have the first round be 4 way and then a 1v1 with the remaining 64 games. No big games get "screwed" as MWC put it, and you get to see all the Fails games you want get the piss beat out of them. That's the only reasonable alternative to a straight 64 bracket, unless you want to do a 96 entrant bracket with a 3-way match at the end of it.




I can't believe I am going to say this. That is a very good idea TBH. SB Failen could never pull it off in a million years, but that would work.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 8:58:16 PM | message detail
I'd put Prime in the first tier with Super Metroid. It's still a debatable match, I'd say. Plus, Prime's closer to it than any other Metroid, to be honest.
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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/12/2008 8:58:16 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #479
Actually, second tier Final Fantasy vs second tier Metroid.

First tier Metroid is Super Metroid and that's it.




For how good the game if yes. For popularity no, I would say Prime is right there in that regard.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 12/12/2008 8:59:14 PM | message detail
I think both Mario 64 and GE are bad examples for games that will be forgotten, because both were really groundbreaking at the time and are still considered high water marks for the genre by many to this day. When Galaxy hit for instance, what was all the talk? "I hear it's really good... but is it better than Mario 64?" I think much the same is true for the FPS genre... Halo was billed as "the Goldeneye Killer", TimeSplitters 2 called itself the Next Goldeneye, and of course something like a dozen Bond games have tried to recapture what made GE so enjoyable and failed miserably.

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 9:01:37 PM | message detail
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yay
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/12/2008 9:03:28 PM | message detail

For how good the game if yes. For popularity no, I would say Prime is right there in that regard.


I would actually argue the opposite. Metroid Prime was an outstanding game, definitely on Super Metroid's level, but I don't think everyone else sees it that way. Unless Super Metroid has really fallen off the map with the new blood.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 9:10:23 PM | message detail
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both of these games have TERRIBLE cover art
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 12/12/2008 9:11:15 PM | message detail
I said it before, if you really want 128 games, have the first round be 4 way and then a 1v1 with the remaining 64 games.

A clever option, until you realize that the second round would be terrible since we'd already seen all the matches in the first round. Obviously some things would change, but not enough for it to be interesting.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 9:13:21 PM | message detail
Well, the matches would change depending on who was in the group with the two that advanced. Or you could just reseed them, but that wouldn't work well with predictions.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/12/2008 9:15:02 PM | message detail
Well, the other option is to mix and match the winners so that they face someone new in the second round. For example, winner of the first match stays in his position for round 2, but he faces the runner up of the lowest seeded fourpack in division 3 for example (assuming 32-game divisions)
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 9:15:34 PM | message detail
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/12/2008 9:16:16 PM | message detail
But like Leon said, that would be a REALLY complicated bracket to predict.
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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/12/2008 9:17:48 PM | message detail

From: ZenOfThunder | #490
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2 games that would both be working purely on name voting.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 9:22:02 PM | message detail
I'd almost feel inclined to side with FFIV there. This one poll comes to mind when I think of that match:

Poll 2618 (01/01/07)
BEST OF 2006: Best DS Game

5320 6.70% Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day
10857 13.68% Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
5640 7.11% Elite Beat Agents
23592 29.73% Final Fantasy III
7120 8.97% Metroid Prime: Hunters
23994 30.23% New Super Mario Bros.
2837 3.57% Tetris DS

TOTAL VOTES: 79360
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 12/12/2008 9:22:51 PM | message detail

From: MichaelWClark | Posted: 12/13/2008 12:17:48 AM | #492

From: ZenOfThunder | #490
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2 games that would both be working purely on name voting.



That's what I was going for! Mission accomplished!

Next:

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lawlz tomb raider getting in
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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/12/2008 9:25:16 PM | message detail
Fire Emblem right? I mean, Tomb Raider stuff seems to blow in these.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 9:26:31 PM | message detail
Fire Emblem seems to have come far enough along on its own to beat Tomb Raider, but the casuals will side with TR in bundles.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2008 9:26:44 PM | message detail
While it would be crushed I wouldn't mind seeing a Tomb Raider game in the contest. We're not going to get the 64 strongest games so might as well have some good fodder.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/12/2008 9:27:14 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #496
Fire Emblem seems to have come far enough along on its own to beat Tomb Raider, but the casuals will side with TR in bundles.



I'd imagine at least 75% of brackets would have Tomb Raider just by name recognition alone, and the bracket votes is what had Altair slaughter Lucario.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/12/2008 9:27:43 PM | message detail
That's why I'd be hesitant to take FE.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2008 9:27:57 PM | message detail
I'd say Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn is the strongest Fire Emblem game IMO.
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