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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 646
| MetricTrout | Posted 12/7/2008 7:54:57 AM | message detail |
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NSMB is the second best selling Mario game of all time though, isn't it? That should give it some noms Fourth. 1, 3, and World all sold better. It is the second best selling DS game, though. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2008 8:33:40 AM | message detail |
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I go with four because that was our precedent (2004). I give FFT an exception too, and SMRPG as well. Well the 16 I usually go with (sometimes I rotate with the snub list that I'll post) are... Final Fantasy VI Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy VIII Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy Tactics LoZ: A Link to the Past LoZ: Ocarina of Time LoZ: Majora's Mask LoZ: The Wind Waker LoZ: Twilight Princess Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World Super Mario RPG Super Mario 64 Mario Kart 64 Super Mario Galaxy Snubs: Final Fantasy Final Fantasy IV Final Fantasy IX Final Fantasy XII Legend of Zelda LoZ: Link's Awakening Super Mario Bros. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island Paper Mario Super Mario Sunshine --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Congratulations to FastFalcon for winning the guru contest, you are the best among the best. |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 12/7/2008 8:48:01 AM | message detail |
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Didn't Super Mario Land also sell better? --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. FastFalcon05 > Me |
| Yesmar | Posted 12/7/2008 8:51:48 AM | message detail |
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I think there should be company caps up until a point. First off, four
should be the cap if there is one. Three is way too small. We would
NEVER see FFVIII in the contest if this is the case. However, I think
it's fair to set a nomination limit and if any game gets that high they
get in regardless of cap, whereas at anything lower, even if the game
would normally get in, the caps kicks in for them. And for everyone talking about wanting more variety where were you in 2004 or this past year? We had 6 Mario characters in 2003 and every single one was placed effectively; it's possible. --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
| Yesmar | Posted 12/7/2008 8:53:05 AM | message detail |
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OK, we did come close to having Mario/Wario, but that was Ceej's fault.
Wario/Shadow could have easily been placed somewhere else. --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
| WoWfaqs | Posted 12/7/2008 8:53:23 AM | message detail |
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caps wouldn't really bother me... I'd actually probably prefer them to
seeing the 6th Zelda and FF titles anyway. It could pose a problem with
the mario series if bacon is lame and clumps stuff like Kart 64 and
Smash with the Mario series though. I really want to see Brawl and
Melee in the contest (preferably against each other early, so we can
see them go head to head, and then only have the strongest rep, rep the
series), Kart 64, SM64, SMB3, Galaxy, and one of the world's. That's 6
right there that I'd feel pretty crappy about if they didn't get in. but all that really matters is that WoW gets in. WoW > FF7 + OoT + Sex combined. --- WoW > FF7 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 12/7/2008 9:06:48 AM | message detail |
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We had 6 Mario characters in 2003 Firstly, I only count five - Mario, Bowser, Yoshi, Luigi, and Wario. And really, even Wario was pushing it there, in retrospect, though I guess he had just had a new release. Secondly, it's much harder for the big companies to clutter a proper 64 character bracket, in large part because one company's series don't have many characters of worth (Zelda has 3 characters worthy of a 64 bracket, for cryin' out loud), and the other - Square - has been clearly capped every year. Sure, the entire cast of FFVII is probably above half the field, but do we really need to see them all make even one - let alone the SAME contest? --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| hailEC | Posted 12/7/2008 9:09:50 AM | message detail |
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yes cait sith > barrett lets do this --- all hail ec your lord and savior except FastFalcon, he's so legit you must bow down to his ass too. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2008 10:36:26 AM | message detail |
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reno vs yuffie oh yeah --- FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it? ...I don't want to talk about it. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 11:00:58 AM | message detail |
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A cap of four is probably for the best. You still get plenty of
representation Mario/Zelda/FF without overloading the bracket. Five is
probably too much and three is too small. Ideally, we'd get SMB3/SM64/SMG/SMW, OoT/ALttP/TP/MM, FFVII/FFX/FFVI/FFVIII. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2008 11:23:10 AM | message detail |
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Well as long as Tactics, Mario RPG and Kart 64 are counted as spin-off series I'm happy with the a series cap of 4. btw how many Metal Gear games are we expecting? I think MGS is a lock and MGS4 is really close to one as well, but does anyone see 2 and/or 3 making it into the contest? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Congratulations to FastFalcon for winning the guru contest, you are the best among the best. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 11:25:25 AM | message detail |
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4 does nothing but keep out new FF/Zelda/Mario competitors, though.
Give them all a chance before preventing them from entering a contest. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2008 11:43:34 AM | message detail |
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Hmm....round 3 of the next character battle could look like this.... Link Cait Sith Megaman Vincent Valentine Cloud Strife Barret Wallace Mario Cid Highwind Sephiroth Red XIII Crono Tifa Lockhart Solid Snake Yuffie Kisaragi Samus Aran Aeris Gainsborough There's no room for Sonic unfortunately, so let's assume he got eliminated by Vincent in round 2 or something. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 12/7/2008 11:48:42 AM | message detail |
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MGS3 is one of those love it/hate it games. I don't think it'll have any problem getting in, but probably won't do too well. --- FastFalcon and Solid Snake snapped my neck in the guru contest. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 11:49:57 AM | message detail |
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MGS3 is love/hate? MGS2 is love/hate, MGS3 not so much. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 12:31:54 PM | message detail |
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4 does nothing but keep out new FF/Zelda/Mario competitors, though.
Give them all a chance before preventing them from entering a contest. What are we keeping out? A cap of four can still get you a big new entry from every series - we don't need to see FFIX or FFXII, TWW and MM, or Yoshi's Island or NSMB. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 12:33:44 PM | message detail |
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Though Yoshi's Island could get counted
as something separate and make it in. Yoshi's Island wouldn't be a bad
entry so long as it isn't at the expense of something like Mario World.
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| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 12:41:37 PM | message detail |
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And why not? Each of them provide much more interesting matches than
whatever would replace them and deserve to be there more than whatever
game would replace them, especially since some of them would be getting
capped two contests in a row. I'm for caps, but 4 is definitely too
small. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 12:44:43 PM | message detail |
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There's plenty of interesting games we could see in place of another
Final Fantasy or Zelda game. When you're dealing with games, finding
good, strong entries isn't going to be a problem. There's a lot out
there that isn't from the big three that would do well. With third tier
games like Final Fantasy IX or Yoshi's Island, you know they're going
to do well solely because of their namesake. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 12:44:54 PM | message detail |
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Not to mention I disagree with you on not needing to see any of those games. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 12:47:35 PM | message detail |
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Bad argument. Every game in the Zelda/FF/Mario series is benefited greatly by and is disproportionately strong because of their namesake. And really, what would we be missing? Almost all of the new high-profile games are bound to get in. We'd mostly likely be letting in high fodder to low midcarders. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 12/7/2008 12:48:04 PM | message detail |
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Meh, doesn't make too much of a difference whether we see FFIX or Chrono Cross. I don't see caps improving the bracket, really. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. As is FastFalcon |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 12:50:20 PM | message detail |
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We are currently at 34603 nominations. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 1:00:03 PM | message detail |
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The top tier games in those series are the ones that carry
the name, they don't do well because of it. Namesake - and franchise
voting - starts to matter the most when you get down to the third and
fourth tier entries. I don't know about you, but seeing Final Fantasy
XII trash games around its level and then collapse to everything the
next tier above isn't all that interesting to me. I'm curious - have you seen transience's bracket? That uses the four cap rule we're talking about. How many more Mario/Zelda/FF games do you want to throw into that? --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 1:01:35 PM | message detail |
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I've advocated a cap of 5 since Day 1. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 1:03:17 PM | message detail |
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Add one from each series to the bracket and check out what happens. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 1:04:30 PM | message detail |
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...It's a bracket with slightly more Mario/Zelda/FF? Really, if it's such a concern just set a couple of them up against each other. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 1:09:33 PM | message detail |
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whoosh We'll see which he decides to go with soon. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2008 1:10:42 PM | message detail |
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Looking at character battles with 64 entrants, the following are mainstays from the Big 3: Final Fantasy: Cloud Sephiroth Vincent Tifa Aeris Squall Auron Tidus Yuna Zelda: Link Ganondorf Zelda Mario: Mario Bowser Yoshi Luigi That's 16 characters- it's never been a problem, and it is incidentally the same number of games the Big 3 had in the top 64 in the top 100 list. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| transience | Posted 12/7/2008 1:18:56 PM | message detail |
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it's way different in a Game Contest and you know it. for argument's
sake, let's pull a consensus top 20 out of my butt. Mario/Zelda/FF in
bold: Final Fantasy 7 Ocarina of Time Chrono Trigger Link to the Past Mario 3 Super Smash Bros. Melee Super Smash Bros. Brawl Twilight Princess Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy VI Metal Gear Solid Super Mario 64 Resident Evil 4 Final Fantasy VIII Super Mario World Starcraft Zelda: Majora's Mask Super Mario Galaxy Zelda: Wind Waker Kingdom Hearts you could also argue Zelda 1 being up here and any number of FF titles being close - after all, FF1 got 40% on Mario 3 and FF4/9/12 are probably stronger. there's serious domination here. and if you want to extend that to games those characters have been in, you can add Melee/Brawl/KH to the list. pretty soon it's not a question of what's in the Big Three series', but rather, what isn't. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/7/2008 2:59:12 PM | message detail |
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MGS3 is love/hate? MGS2 is love/hate, MGS3 not so much MGS3 is the bastard child of the Metal Gear franchise (Ac!d not counted). It is the Final Fantasy 9/Wind Waker/Sunshine of Metal Gear. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 FastFalcon is apparantly better at contesty stuff than me. |
| Yesmar | Posted 12/7/2008 3:14:01 PM | message detail |
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Putting Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, FFVIII and Galaxy in the Top 20 is
just assumption, an assumption you could make for plenty of non Big 3
games as well. Just off the top of my head: Diablo II, Soul Calibur 1/2, Metroid Prime, Goldeneye, Halo 1/2/3, San Andreas, GTA III, Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Kingdom Hearts 2, Half-Life 2 are all games that could beat stuff like Majora's Mask or Super Mario Galaxy. Caps have never worked out in the past, and I see no reason why they would work now. My point with characters was not that they were spread out in regards to popularity, but that it is possible and easy to spread these entrants throughout a bracket in such a way that they don't SFF each other. It's not like these are all games that have the same monolithic popularity. Hell, for Final Fantasy they could just as well be different games. Some of the best contests we've ever had have been the ones with the least "variety" like 2003 and 2005, and the "variety" in both 2002 and Sp2004 was the worst part of both of them. --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
| transience | Posted 12/7/2008 3:18:18 PM | message detail |
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you're stretching if you think Soul Calibur, GTA3, Metroid, Half-Life
or Pokemon can beat a popular Zelda or Mario title. when the bracket
comes out I hope a matchup like that is available, because there's no
way anyone sane takes it. I did forget Goldeneye, though -- good call. I have a tendency to do that. --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2008 3:27:24 PM | message detail |
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I agree with Yesmar there. We don't need to artificially inject variety
into the bracket; it will appear on its own. We will also be surprised,
probably many times during the contest- no one has gotten a perfect
bracket yet, after all. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 3:42:34 PM | message detail |
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It isn't a matter of artificially injecting variety into the bracket.
We'd be arguing about limiting the big three to only three entries if
that were the case. A cap of four is a nice medium between both of the
extremes. Diablo II, Soul Calibur 1/2, Metroid Prime, Goldeneye, Halo 1/2/3, San Andreas, GTA III, Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Kingdom Hearts 2, Half-Life 2 are all games that could beat stuff like Majora's Mask or Super Mario Galaxy. This is a huge stretch. No one would take these games - Goldeneye excluded - over the Mario Galaxy or Majora's Mask. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/7/2008 3:51:42 PM | message detail |
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There is no way in hell any of those games beat Galaxy. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 3:51:58 PM | message detail |
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I agree with Yesmar there. We don't need to artificially inject variety into the bracket; it will appear on its own. No it won't. Because without caps, stuff like every single zelda/Mario/ff game would beat good games of other series just because of name alone, and it would essentially be a Zelda/Mario/FF Best Game Contest. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/7/2008 4:47:55 PM | message detail |
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If you cap it at 5, you get the Mario/Zelda/FF games that are worth
anything, and you prevent weaker entrants like Wind Waker or FF9 that
would job to many many other games. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 FastFalcon is apparantly better at contesty stuff than me. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 4:49:07 PM | message detail |
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5 is too many. 4 I think is the right number. Wasn't the last content capped at 4 games also? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 4:49:14 PM | message detail |
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*contest --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2008 4:54:31 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Goldeneye and RBY over Galaxy and Majora's Mask. The Big 3 combined for 11 in the 2004 contest, 14 if you count FFT/A and SMRPG. For this contest: FFVII FFVI FFX FFVIII FFT OOT LTTP TP MM Zelda 1 SMB3 SMW SM64 SMG SMRPG That looks fine to me. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 4:56:36 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Goldeneye and RBY over Galaxy and Majora's Mask. I'm really intrigued how well Pokemno will do in this contest, cuz if it is 1v1, we'll see just how less anti voted Pokemon is t hese days. Obviously, Pokemon games aren't gonna be beating Mario Galaxy or Majoras Mask due to anti votes, but I don't think it'll be to the level of nati votes as earlier years when Pikachu struggled to beat Parappa the Rapper, and Pokemon Gold lost to Xenogears, a totally obscure jrpg. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 12/7/2008 5:03:06 PM | message detail |
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if someone takes soul calibur over galaxy or majora's mask they literally are the worst bracketmaker ever and this is coming from a guy who had diddy going past round 2 --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 5:04:24 PM | message detail |
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From: Masato_Tanaka | #443 i think your second line showed that you don't know what you're talking about with soul calibur IMO --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2008 5:04:38 PM | message detail |
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I think Pokemon RBY will fare much better in avoiding anti-votes than
Pikachu did in 1v1s, both because there is more hate toward Pikachu
than the game, and because Pikachu wouldn't get antivoted nearly as
badly now. RBY should also be much stronger than GSC, and combining the
versions, RBY is the highest selling game ever I believe, SMB1 and its
packaging with the NES notwithstanding. But GSC lost to Xenogears easily so RBY can't be that strong, right? No. How strong is Xenogears really? It got 20% on FFVII: a Square Playstation RPG against Final Fantasy VII. There's lots of potential for SFF there. We don't know. Keep in mind that FFT was even with MGS in 2004 also....I think Xenogears was likely a midcarder. And GSC has boosted since then, while Xenogears has dropped, so GSC would very likely win a rematch, andit probably wouldn't even be close. RBY is then a great deal stronger on top of that. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 5:06:59 PM | message detail |
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I really don't buy Xenogears being anything special in strength, since
if it was, Fei would of gotten in before this year (where he got a 4th
place finish, though granted in a strong 4pack). To me I see Xenogears
as more of a Talestype of game sicne its a more obscure rpg..
regardless, I can't see Pokemon losing to it in any way unless you
count massive anti votes. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2008 5:07:10 PM | message detail |
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Worst pick ever? Well Hochi said that was taking Zack for anything but first in his round 1 match.... I've taken Crono > Sephiroth twice, and managed a net gain of 8 points because of it, somehow. So....a crazy fanboy upset pick that worked, at least points-wise? --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 12/7/2008 5:07:25 PM | message detail |
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i think your second line showed that you don't know what you're talking about with soul calibur IMO No, it just shows that it's a terrible decision. Soul Calbur couldn't beat Kingdom ****ing Hearts. I love both games to death(so don't go saying "HEY HIKO DOESN'T KNOW JACK BOUT SOUL CALIBUR LOL"), but neither one of them could TOUCH a Zelda title, unless it was the CD-I game or something. --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 5:10:29 PM | message detail |
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nightmare could beat tingle 1v1 --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 5:34:45 PM | message detail |
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after all, FF1 got 40% on Mario 3 and FF4/9/12 are probably stronger Disagree on that. Especially FF12. FF1 being one of the pillars of the NES makes it stronger than any of the FF snubs I think... excepting maybe FF8. Maybe. And I think you guys are overestimating the strength of Majora's Mask here. And possibly Galaxy as well. Yes, Galaxy did well in the GotY polls... but look at what it was against. Wii ahd a terrible year for releases that year, and in the final it was in a SFF situation between Call of Duty and Halo 3. Galaxy's probably a step below all the Mario games we've seen. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
