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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 646

XxSoulxX | Posted 12/6/2008 5:47:41 PM | message detail
I could see it being the most powerful GC/PS2/Xbox era game.

SSBM
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The Real Truth | Posted 12/6/2008 6:13:09 PM | message detail
There shouldn't be a cap on a series. If the game is good, it should be in the contest.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/6/2008 7:04:47 PM | message detail
I don't think any caps will be made and really if it did it would only slightly affect FF and LoZ series (maybe one or two games would miss it because of caps) though the Mario series could suffer majorly if it is grouped into one lump sum (regular, RPG, kart, sport...)
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/6/2008 7:10:46 PM | message detail
For what it's worth, SMRPG was in the BGE-2004 and Mario Kart was in the Series Contest. If there even is a cap, I doubt they get cut because of it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/6/2008 7:40:10 PM | message detail
That was when CJayC ran the contests, anything is possible here.
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Congratulations to FastFalcon for winning the guru contest, you are the best among the best.
Masato_Tanaka | Posted 12/6/2008 7:43:23 PM | message detail
In a FFVIII vs FFXII matchup, I think I'd side with XII in a close match, and I'd take XII over IX in heartbeat.

JESUS this feels so wrong
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/6/2008 7:50:56 PM | message detail
If Allen follows his own goal of finding the best game, then there really shouldn't be any caps.


But I'm not sure I really trust him to do that.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/6/2008 7:57:01 PM | message detail
There didn't seem to be any cap in the character contest so I doubt there's one for the series contest.
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Demyx is better than Axel.
PiGuy96 | Posted 12/6/2008 7:59:49 PM | message detail
Somehow I doubt Aerith in 2007 and Tifa in 2008 got less noms than Jade Curtiss.
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Zack was clearly counted as being from Crisis Core
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PiGuy96 | Posted 12/6/2008 8:00:55 PM | message detail
Whoops, that's backwards. Reverse the years.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/6/2008 8:02:54 PM | message detail
A cap doesn't really matter, especially because it'll like be something like 4 or 5 and the only series it would affect would be Zelda/Mario/Final Fantasy. And 4th and 5th tier games from those series aren't going to be more than midcarders anyway.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/6/2008 9:43:31 PM | message detail
Currently:

3 or less - I started with this generation 0.36% 26
4-9 - I started with the DC/PS2/GameCube/Xbox 6.01% 431
10-14 - I started with the PS/Saturn/N64 25.32% 1815
15-19 - I started with the SNES/Genesis 34.74% 2490
20-24 - I started with the 8-bit Nintendo 26.73% 1916
25 or more - I've been playing since the days of Atari 6.84% 490
TOTAL VOTES 7168

The vast majority of the site is still composed of people who started with the older consoles. It'll be interesting to see how far they fall with the day vote: the highest 3 options are currently combining for 68.31%.
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon
transience | Posted 12/6/2008 9:50:35 PM | message detail
that'll fall - this is like the ultimate day/night poll. but either way, starting somewhere and what you play the most now is totally different.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/6/2008 9:52:09 PM | message detail
While that may be true, most people tend to have soft spots for games they played back on their first systems.

You're the weird exception to that rule !
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transience | Posted 12/6/2008 9:53:15 PM | message detail
I don't have soft spots to my first games?

time to stop playing FF1 and Zork and Lode Runner then
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Ngamer64 | Posted 12/6/2008 9:54:39 PM | message detail
Yeah, there was pretty clearly a cap the last two years.

Final Fantasy 2008
Tifa
Cecil
Kefka
Vivi
Rydia
Squall
Zack
Kain
Vincent
Aeris
Tidus
Auron
Cloud
Sephiroth
Zidane
Balthier

Exactly 16.

Missing the cut
Cid
Gilgamesh
Seifer
Laguna
Zolom
Red
Yuffie
Locke
Yuna
Rikku
Barrett
Celes
etc,etc

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red sox 777 | Posted 12/6/2008 9:54:51 PM | message detail
Actually, this poll was run back in February, and these were the final results then:

Which generation was your very first game console?

7th: 360/PS3/Wii 0.51% 661
6th: Dreamcast/PS2/Xbox/GameCube 3.86% 4956
5th: N64/Saturn/PS1 15.49% 19895
4th: Turbo/Genesis/SNES 22.67% 29122
3rd: NES/SMS/7800 41.47% 53259
2nd: 2600/Intellivision/Colecovision 12.95% 16633
1st: Pong/Odyssey 2.58% 3314
I've never owned a video game console 0.47% 599

TOTAL VOTES 128439

Uh....what happened to the site since February? 16-bit and older combined for a staggering 79.67% in this poll!!!
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/6/2008 9:55:12 PM | message detail
I was more referring to if you looked at peoples' top 5 games or something like that.

Though I guess you have FF1 up there, but don't you play the Wonderswan version of that more often anyway?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/6/2008 9:56:11 PM | message detail
First console owned and when you started playing games are different.
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transience | Posted 12/6/2008 9:59:55 PM | message detail
well yeah, 'cause it's better and portable! but it's not like I don't prefer Zelda 1 to all Zeldas, Mega Man 2/3 to all Mega Mans, FF1NES to all FF titles, etc.

don't misjudge me because I dare to like things from 2000+!
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:00:13 PM | message detail
But that doesn't help, unless you think the extra 10% that owned those consoles didn't play them. I'm thinking it has to be the wording of the question....I mean we didn't see older characters totally collapse in the contest.
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:02:28 PM | message detail
don't misjudge me because I dare to like things from 2000+!

scum

pre 2000 or bust
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transience | Posted 12/6/2008 10:03:06 PM | message detail
Metal Gear 1 is still the best Metal Gear game am I oldschool yet
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:03:59 PM | message detail
not old enough
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/6/2008 10:06:11 PM | message detail
My main problem with not having a cap is that these games might be stronger then games from other series, but it gets boring if its a game from the big 3 series in every match. I prefer variety.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:07:17 PM | message detail
I prefer the best game winning, so I'm pretty ok with Mario and Zelda games winning all the matches.
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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/6/2008 10:14:26 PM | message detail

From: MoogleKupo141 | #376
I prefer the best game winning, so I'm pretty ok with Mario and Zelda games winning all the matches.



The big 3 should have roughly half the field.


Caps suck, as does our admin if he has them.


Mario.

SMB
SMB 2
SMB 3
SMW
SMW 2
SML
SM 64
SMG
NSMB
SMRPG
PM
PMTTYD

Zelda

LoZ
ALttP
LA
OoT
MM
WW
TMC
TP

Final Fantasy

FF
FF IV
FF VI
FF VII
FF VIII
FF IX
FF X
FF XII
Tactics


I have no problem with them having 29 of the 64 spots if they have more nominations, and they would. Caps make this thing lose all meaning. Are you going to honestly tell me something like Crash Bandicoot would do better than FF IX? Or some other low level deserves to get in over FF IV?

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ZFS | Posted 12/6/2008 10:15:30 PM | message detail
mwc post

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transience | Posted 12/6/2008 10:15:49 PM | message detail
mwc post
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/6/2008 10:17:37 PM | message detail
mwc post
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:18:20 PM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/6/2008 10:19:02 PM | message detail
No Super mario bros 3?
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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/6/2008 10:20:30 PM | message detail

From: MoogleKupo141 | #381
Ok, that post was a little over the top. Suggesting NSMB is one of the top 64 games is a little crazy sauce ;>_>

But like

SMRPG
SMG
SM64
SMW
SMW2: YI
PM

LttP
TP
OoT
MM
WW

FFIV
FFVI
FFX
FFXII
FFIX

would be cool with me ;>_>

moogle post




I never said it was one of the top 64, I said it would get more noms, and deserve to be there.

Also, WTH at not having SMB 3 and FF VII, that is half the Final Four last time.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:20:40 PM | message detail
It's fine to have the strongest 64, although perhaps we can fudge that a bit more the sake of more variety, but the strongest 64 would NOT include 29 games from the Zelda, FF, and Mario.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/6/2008 10:22:01 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'd put SMB3 in there.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/6/2008 10:22:25 PM | message detail
Oh I didnt even notice he didn't put FF7 since that was a given >.<
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:23:24 PM | message detail
No Super mario bros 3?



I went with ones that might actually be in my own top 64, so no. It's up there, but probably not actually in there.... but it was just sort of a rough estimate

actually for the contest, we should probably see

SMB
SMB3
SMW
SMW2:YI
SM64
SMG
SMRPG

LoZ
LttP
OoT
WW
TP
and maybe LA or MM

FFVI
FFVII
FFX
FFT
and maybe 2 of FF/FFIV/FFVIII/FFIX
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MichaelWClark | Posted 12/6/2008 10:25:50 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #384
It's fine to have the strongest 64, although perhaps we can fudge that a bit more the sake of more variety, but the strongest 64 would NOT include 29 games from the Zelda, FF, and Mario.




I don't care about strength in the contest, I care about pure noms, and with the exception of MAYBE Super Mario Land, New Super Mario Bros, Super Mario 2, and Minnish Cap, I would take every single one of those games to get many more noms than many other games who would make it if we have a cap.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:28:00 PM | message detail

I don't care about strength in the contest, I care about pure noms, and with the exception of MAYBE Super Mario Land, New Super Mario Bros, Super Mario 2, and Minnish Cap, I would take every single one of those games to get many more noms than many other games who would make it if we have a cap.


I definitely don't see NSMB, SMB2, SML, or MC as real nomination getters. NSMB/SMB2/SML have much stronger 2D Mario competition... I mean, does anyone really think NSMB is the best Mario game? Or even close to the best? Why would they nominate it?
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:28:39 PM | message detail
Noms you say? Well, looking at the Top 100 list, I count 17 games from the Big 3 in the top 64 (that includes Super Mario Kart). That's probably as good an indicator of noms strength as we have.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/6/2008 10:29:01 PM | message detail
NSMB is the second best selling Mario game of all time though, isn't it? That should give it some noms
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/6/2008 10:32:08 PM | message detail
NSMB is the second best selling Mario game of all time though, isn't it? That should give it some noms

People bought it, people even enjoyed it, but someone would really have to love it to nominate it. You only get 15 of these things, you know.
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Gaddswell | Posted 12/7/2008 1:48:02 AM | message detail
Still no nominations up on the front page.

Maybe not putting them up there is Bacon's little twist this time.
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greatone10 | Posted 12/7/2008 2:34:20 AM | message detail
Weren't the noms for the 2005 contest only up on the main page for a very brief period? It would certainly explain the fact that all the rally tournament winners got ridiculously high seeds and guys like the King of All Cosmos getting in with no trouble.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 12/7/2008 3:59:11 AM | message detail
Yeah, let's have as many Zelda/FF/Mario games in the contest as possible, because tons of unavoidable and boring SFF matchups are what we REALLY need out of a new Games Contest!

Seriously, people who think this way sicken me. When it comes to the endgame of finding out GameFAQs' true "Best Game Ever", it's going to be 1.) Final Fantasy VII or 2.) Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Full Stop - Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200. The rest of the contest should focus on getting as good matchups as possible. If that means that FFIX has to lose out a spot to something like Symphony of the Night, that's unfortunate - but if it's going to be placed opposite something like FFVIII, necessary.
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transience | Posted 12/7/2008 4:01:41 AM | message detail
yup. I don't mind it being limited to three per series, personally - so long as we get the best three. it'd suck to miss out on Mario World or 64, but a FF6/7/10, OOT/TP/LTTP, 3/64/Galaxy contest is a good one by me.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2008 6:41:01 AM | message detail
When making a bracket I usually stop at about 16 spots for FF/LoZ/SMB though anymore more than 20 is way too much.
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transience | Posted 12/7/2008 6:46:11 AM | message detail
I go with four because that was our precedent (2004). I give FFT an exception too, and SMRPG as well.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/7/2008 6:50:50 AM | message detail
You see, this is why it needs to be 128.

To stop Mario/Zelda/Final Fantasy from taking up an enormous part of the bracket.

Not only that, but think about what will happen in round two-most will get through, and even if only, say, 20 of 64 are from those three series, that means that some 18-20 will be in the final 32, resulting in a horrible SFF-fest. However, if it were 128, that would allow for more spacing, so by the time those games met, most would have already been eliminated.
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transience | Posted 12/7/2008 7:06:36 AM | message detail
128 doesn't solve any problem, it just delays it into round 3 and 4.
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