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| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 5:39:38 PM | message detail |
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Mario Galaxy should do very well - it'll be one of the top games we see
this year, for sure. I'd put it under SM64, but within the same tier as
the TP/FFX/SM64 group. There's not much reason to doubt it having
serious strength. You see it held in the same regard as the other top
tier Mario games. It isn't going to be a step below that group. And the Game of the Year polls aren't even what I'd point to. The Game of the Century poll was much more impressive on that front. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 5:45:50 PM | message detail |
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The big difference between Galaxy and other Mario games, strengthwise,
should be in the fact that it was released so late into the system's
lifecycle for a Mario game. I'm assuming it comes packaged with the Wii now, but does it even have that luxury? Basically, I get the feeling this board hypes the game up more than the general public does just because we're swarmed with Wii fanboys and the system was so starved for good titles at that point. I know quite a few people who own Wiis and not one got Super Mario Galaxy. I know, I know... purely anecdotal evidence... but that's just the feeling I get. It certainly didn't seem in the league of other sluggers of this generation as far as hype goes. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/7/2008 5:47:22 PM | message detail |
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Whoa there, Galaxy only came a year later. Yeah, it's farther along than 64 and World, but what about Mario 3? You know, the strongest Mario game that was never packaged with the NES (I think?). --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/Saturn.gif |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/7/2008 5:47:59 PM | message detail |
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Galaxy is the best selling Wii game of this generation besides Sports and Play. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 5:48:32 PM | message detail |
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Pretty sure Mario 3 was packaged with it for a while. But Mario 3 is freakin Mario 3. You're not going to compare Galaxy's impact to that. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 5:50:19 PM | message detail |
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Lolpen --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2008 5:50:26 PM | message detail |
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Actually Mario 3 was never packaged, which is why it is often considered to be the highest selling game. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Congratulations to FastFalcon for winning the guru contest, you are the best among the best. |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/7/2008 5:53:56 PM | message detail |
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Basically, I get the feeling this board hypes the game up more than
the general public does just because we're swarmed with Wii fanboys and
the system was so starved for good titles at that point. I know quite a
few people who own Wiis and not one got Super Mario Galaxy. I know, I
know... purely anecdotal evidence... but that's just the feeling I get.
It certainly didn't seem in the league of other sluggers of this
generation as far as hype goes. It's not just Board 8 by any means. The game sold well, reveiwed extremely well, and has performed well in polls on this site and in the site's own rating system. It really has everything going for it. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 5:54:25 PM | message detail |
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Wii Sports being the highest selling game on the Wii should actually
make you wonder how much sales on that system matter for gauging
strength. The Wii's marketing strategy is so freaking weird that you
can't really know how sales convert to actual strength on this site. Does anyone take Galaxy over Brawl? What are people arguing Galaxy over exactly, anyway? Give me a ballpark X-Stat value we're using here. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 5:55:44 PM | message detail |
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So late into the system's lifecycle? It
wasn't a launch game, or within the launch window, but a year after the
fact is hardly what I'd considered 'late' by any measure. If we're
talking about that hurting its exposure, I don't see how that can be
argued - it has sold over 6 million copies as of March 08. Galaxy isn't a 'board creation,' either. We love and hype the game as much as any other place - NeoGAF still adores the games and IGN did a "Reader's Top 100" last month where Galaxy placed in the top 20. Not that these places necessarily validate the idea of Galaxy being top tier, but just that the board is far from unique in its love of Galaxy. And if you wanna see how it compares here, as far as the whole rating thing goes: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/home/915692.html http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/home/198848.html I'd expect Mario 64 to be stronger, but Galaxy's no joke. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/7/2008 5:56:11 PM | message detail |
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Galaxy over Brawl isn't happening, but I'd probably put it...around
SM64's level. Though I'm hesitant to say that just because of how
messed up 64 got in 2k4. --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/7/2008 5:57:23 PM | message detail |
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Wii Sports being the highest selling game on the Wii should actually
make you wonder how much sales on that system matter for gauging
strength. The Wii's marketing strategy is so freaking weird that you
can't really know how sales convert to actual strength on this site. No one in America has actually purchased Wii Sports. It comes with every Wii. Its sales say nothing about anything. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 5:58:22 PM | message detail |
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I expect Galaxy to come in under Twilight Princess, Final Fantasy X,
and Mario 64, but above the likes of Goldeneye, Metal Gear Solid, and
Resident Evil 4. Of course, Brawl's above all of these - it'll probably
come in around Melee. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2008 6:00:26 PM | message detail |
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There are 2 thing that Galaxy doesn't have that the other Mario games have: nostalgia and playership. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 6:00:32 PM | message detail |
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Mmm, I suppose that's fair. For some reason looking in the last few
pages I got the idea that people were hyping it as doing more than
that. And yeah, fair point about Wii Sports being misleading because of
the packaging. Anyway, Majora's Mask is the main one I had issue with. I'm thinking it'll be weaker than Windwaker by a decent margin, personally. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/7/2008 6:04:20 PM | message detail |
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I don't think I'd rank Galaxy that high. We're not even sure if Mario 64 can take Goldeneye, MGS, or RE4. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... FastFalcon own me... in the Guru Contest! |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 6:04:56 PM | message detail |
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Yeah. I can understand that one. There's no telling where Majora's Mask
will be, or if it can even match The Wind Waker. It'll do well because
it's Zelda, but it's tough to peg -- though I'd probably place it
somewhere around TWW. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/7/2008 6:11:02 PM | message detail |
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I really doubt Majora's Mask and could see it losing to a game like
Goldeneye pretty easily. It's the black sheep of modern Zelda games far
more than Wind Waker is. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/7/2008 6:12:45 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, the average user rankings for Majora's Mask are slightly higher than Wind Waker's. --- "feh... your right...I am the stalker" - ExThaNemesis http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/Saturn.gif |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/7/2008 6:18:01 PM | message detail |
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How the hell would Majora's Mask be weaker than Wind Waker? In 2004, maybe, but I have a feeling Windwaker is going to be crap this year and is more than likely getting snubbed. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 FastFalcon is apparantly better at contesty stuff than me. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 6:23:08 PM | message detail |
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I'd be surprised if Wind waker made it --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| WalrusJump | Posted 12/7/2008 6:26:20 PM | message detail |
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yeah WW is out LttP, OoT and TP are locks, but I'd be surprised if any other one besides Majora's Mask made it --- http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8787/1174485118442ge3.jpg FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 6:27:50 PM | message detail |
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the coolest thing would be if there is a 4 cap and the 4th zelda game
doesnt turn out to be MM or WW.. it turns out to be Wand of Ghamelon --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| WalrusJump | Posted 12/7/2008 6:29:32 PM | message detail |
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no, that would not be cool that would be suck --- http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8787/1174485118442ge3.jpg FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something. |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 6:31:22 PM | message detail |
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I'd be surprised if Majora's Mask made it, rendering all this discussing kinda pointless. Galaxy is probably all but a shoe in, though. And yeah, honestly... I dunno if I'd peg Mario 64/Galaxy to be that high either. I mean... OoT is strong, but getting what... 20% on it? That's kinda sad. Going off the 2004 standings... the highest game I'd take Galaxy or 64 over with utmost certainty would be Half Life, and there are some below that I'd have trouble with because they got the short end of the SFF stick. I still think Galaxy's being overrated a bit... maybe it's a bit more widespread than B8, but I dunno... it just doesn't seem the game that'll stand the test of time once the "wow Wii has a game that's worth playing!" dust settles (which has already happened I think). I mean, yeah, I could buy it at the level of FFX and MGS and such... but I don't think I'd take it there, personally. Probably just a hair below that tier. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 6:32:33 PM | message detail |
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And my money is on LoZ to be the fourth Zelda rep, for the record. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| WalrusJump | Posted 12/7/2008 6:35:00 PM | message detail |
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but there's SFF involved in any Mario/Zelda match especially with OoT, which is like the most beloved/praised game ever don't judge SM64 on that --- http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8787/1174485118442ge3.jpg FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 6:38:16 PM | message detail |
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No chance of LoZ/FF1/SMB getting in. The only reason they got into the
first contest was because no one knew what to put for the NES option
besides them. Asking people to name them as some of their all-time
favorite games is pushing it, i think. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| DomaDragoon | Posted 12/7/2008 6:38:49 PM | message detail |
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But we are in agreement that Bacon isn't going to pull another cap by era on us, right? --- I was soundly thrashed by FastFalcon, our reigning Guru Champion. www.rpgdl.com - Because everybody loves violent arena battles, right? |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 6:39:04 PM | message detail |
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Of course there's SFF. But I just can't see any game with a respectable fanbase to that level getting knocked that low against anything.
Like, really, think character contests... how many times have
NNers/elites been knocked below 20% by even Link? Yoshi and Ganon are
the only ones I can think of. Granted, most matches involving entrants
of such strength are not SFF affairs but... yeah, it's just a bit
unsettling. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 12/7/2008 6:39:49 PM | message detail |
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From: MegatokyoEd | #454 Nah, MKWii is ahead of it by a bit and I think Brawl is too. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://img.imgcake.com/remember_the_stinkers.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 6:42:16 PM | message detail |
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FF1 has a good shot. People still play the game. Look at the NES
boards... FF1 has about 6x the posts of the #2 message board. And it
has a webcomic (maybe now defunct). I'd be pretty shocked if the NES didn't give us FF1, SMB3, MM2, and LoZ. 4/64 slots for the NES isn't asking much, really. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 6:44:07 PM | message detail |
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I think you're overestimating how much people care about them. Maybe FF1 has a shot, but I'll be scratching my head if we see more than SMB3/MM2. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| WalrusJump | Posted 12/7/2008 6:44:29 PM | message detail |
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MM2 and SMB3 maybe doubt original LoZ and FF FFVII, FFX, FFVI, FFIV, FFVIII and FFIX all have better shots as for LoZ, there's OoT, TP, ALttP, MM and WW to jew it out of a spot --- http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8787/1174485118442ge3.jpg FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/7/2008 6:45:20 PM | message detail |
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The only NES games I see maknig it are SMB3 and MM2 if there are series caps. If not, FF1 and LoZ may make it --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/Albion+Hero.png FastFalcon05 sure knows how to fill out a Guru Contest bracket better than I! |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 6:46:02 PM | message detail |
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I don't think I'd rank Galaxy that high. We're not even sure if Mario 64 can take Goldeneye, MGS, or RE4. I'd be surprised if Mario 64 didn't beat all three of those, MGS1 and Goldeneye in particular. Think RE4 would have the best shot there, but I'd have a hard time taking it over a Mario game of similar strength. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| WalrusJump | Posted 12/7/2008 6:47:05 PM | message detail |
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YOU KNOW I'VE RAISED THAT DISCUSSION IN THE NEW TOPIC GUYS GUYS? --- http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8787/1174485118442ge3.jpg FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something. |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 6:48:10 PM | message detail |
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I think you're doubting how much people respect the old school. Think
about it... 15 slots. Not everyone's going to fill that with their top
15 games. How do you think Pac-Man gets in year after year? Because
people care about the character? I'd be more surprised to see less than those 4 get in than I would to see them and some others like Tetris and Pac-Man get in. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/7/2008 6:49:26 PM | message detail |
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Nah, MKWii is ahead of it by a bit and I think Brawl is too. Yeah, MKWII is ahead but I blame that on Wii owners buying up games bundled with accessories like crazy. Everything I can find, including vgchartz, still has Galaxy above Brawl. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 6:49:41 PM | message detail |
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I think Tetris and Pac-man have a higher chance of getting in than SMB/LoZ/FF1. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2008 6:50:22 PM | message detail |
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Throwing this out there: Zelda 1 > MM, WW, SMW, SM64, SMG. Zelda 1 broke 43% on Mario 3 in 2004, a little ahead of what SMW is projected to do through Chrono Trigger. I see SM64 and SMW as more or less equals, with SMG being considerably weaker. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 12/7/2008 6:50:36 PM | message detail |
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VGChartz actually has Brawl above Galaxy. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://img.imgcake.com/remember_the_stinkers.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2008 6:52:55 PM | message detail |
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2k4 voting demographics are also VERY different from today's. Remember,
polls got 40,000 less votes. How many of the new voters have even
played NES games? --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| WalrusJump | Posted 12/7/2008 6:55:01 PM | message detail |
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and I don't see SM64 and SMW as equals SMW will be significantly better than SM64 it was packaged in with the most beloved system ever (save maybe the PS2) --- http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8787/1174485118442ge3.jpg FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something. |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 6:55:15 PM | message detail |
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it just doesn't seem the game that'll stand the test of time once
the "wow Wii has a game that's worth playing!" dust settles (which has
already happened I think). I'd disagree there. If there's any game from this generation that would stand the test of time, Mario Galaxy would be it. It didn't release to deafening hype like Brawl or Halo 3, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It doesn't have any of the post-release backlash you almost always see with those games - and most people still consider it one of the best of the gen. Galaxy's got everything it needs to do well. --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| ZFS | Posted 12/7/2008 6:55:33 PM | message detail |
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Throwing this out there: Zelda 1 > MM, WW, SMW, SM64, SMG. uhhh --- http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 12/7/2008 6:55:49 PM | message detail |
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Basically what it comes down to is: People who want to nominate at
least one NES era game (I'm sure there'll be a lot of em) have maybe
ten choices for nominations tops, if you're being generous. Because the
pool of great games from back then is that much smaller, you're going
to see a decent turn-out for that era. Hell, we may even see Pong or
Duck Hunt again. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 12/7/2008 6:55:56 PM | message detail |
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I wonder how many Virtual Console/PSN/Arcade hits oldschool games like
Mario, Halo, Street Fighter II, etc have gotten and if that will have
any effect on older games' performance --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| WalrusJump | Posted 12/7/2008 6:56:18 PM | message detail |
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500? --- http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8787/1174485118442ge3.jpg FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something. |
| WalrusJump | Posted 12/7/2008 6:56:28 PM | message detail |
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500. --- http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8787/1174485118442ge3.jpg FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something. |
