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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 645

ZFS | Posted 12/3/2008 10:17:55 AM | message detail
there's a tough one

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 10:18:48 AM | message detail
Generally in the past Totally mainstream FPS that aren't character based do like crap on Gamefaqs. I don't see Call of Duty 4 as any different.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/3/2008 10:21:14 AM | message detail
Generally in the past Totally mainstream FPS that aren't character based do like crap on Gamefaqs. I don't see Call of Duty 4 as any different.

How many of them could do this?:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2994
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 10:22:50 AM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #303
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2994



Hmm thats a telling poll, but if you ran that poll today, Call of Duty 4 (and Halo 3) would prolly be alot lower. Online FPS that have been replaced and aren't new just aren't as popular anymore.
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 12/3/2008 10:33:07 AM | message detail
For the last time, WaW did not replace CoD4. I think many people knew it wasn't going to replace it since Infinity Ward didn't make it and it takes place in WW2.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/3/2008 10:34:40 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2939

As pointed out earlier, this is why World of Warcraft is not comparable with Starcraft. Starcraft is a game that Gamefaqs genuinely likes. An outright majority of the site voted against WoW in that poll, and the percentage of the site that play the game and haven't quit is around 15%. It might beat CoD4, which is probably stronger than any of the Halo games even now, thanks to lack of anti-votes, but it isn't beating something like TP.

For that matter, I'm a bit scared that Starcraft will meet a fairly strong game, stronger than the likes of Halo but nowhere near the likes of SSBM, early, before it can build its momentum like last time. On the other hand, after seeing how powerful bandwagons are the past 2 years, I really wonder what would have happened had SC beaten SSBM and faced FFVII 2 days later, in the second semifinal, on Saturday. FFVII would have almost certainly won, yes, but it could have been a really crazy match with SC probably winning the first hour and really high votals.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 10:36:22 AM | message detail
I'm done arguing about CoD4, you are all too thick skulled to realize its no where near as popular as it was right after it released
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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/3/2008 10:36:55 AM | message detail
never thought I'd see the day
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 10:39:43 AM | message detail
Just 1 last thing....

Master Chiefss run right when Halo 3 brand new last year, then we saw how a mainstream FPS translates to popularity a year later.
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 12/3/2008 10:42:29 AM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #307
I'm done arguing about CoD4, you are all too thick skulled to realize its no where near as popular as it was right after it released



You put too much faith in how many people are playing the game. People loved CoD4 and will vote for it in a poll, the fact that they don't play it anymore won't influence their vote in most cases.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 10:43:26 AM | message detail

From: The_Ocelot2 | #310

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #307
I'm done arguing about CoD4, you are all too thick skulled to realize its no where near as popular as it was right after it released



You put too much faith in how many people are playing the game. People loved CoD4 and will vote for it in a poll, the fact that they don't play it anymore won't influence their vote in most cases.



And last year people loved Master Chief, so obviously they would too this year?

Right?
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 12/3/2008 10:44:44 AM | message detail
Yea cause Halo 3 wasn't the most hyped game ever or anything? The game was a disappointment to most fans, a huge one. Lots of people still play it but most felt it was Halo 2.5 and jumped to CoD4 as soon as it came out.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 10:46:04 AM | message detail

From: The_Ocelot2 | #312
Yea cause Halo 3 wasn't the most hyped game ever or anything? The game was a disappointment to most fans, a huge one. Lots of people still play it but most felt it was Halo 2.5 and jumped to CoD4 as soon as it came out.



Technically Wotlk was more hyped cuz it beat out Halo 3 with first day sales but yeah
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 12/3/2008 10:49:05 AM | message detail
Well up until that point it was and I don't think they ever released sales figures for Halo 3 but said that it made $170 million.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 12/3/2008 10:49:14 AM | message detail
well so much for that
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ZFS | Posted 12/3/2008 10:57:04 AM | message detail
no one like cod4 anymore don'tcha know

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HaRRicH | Posted 12/3/2008 12:06:56 PM | message detail
Even if the new one isn't as "Good", it still is the new one and more popular in peopels minds

I know nobody remembers Goldeneye now that countless other Bond games are out now.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 12:08:20 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #317
Even if the new one isn't as "Good", it still is the new one and more popular in peopels minds

I know nobody remembers Goldeneye now that countless other Bond games are out now.



Goldeneye is different because it was such an innovative title that was the first truly great done console FPS. Call of Duty 4 did nothing to revolutionize gaming
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 12/3/2008 12:12:47 PM | message detail
So a game has to revolutionize in order to be remembered?

Call of Duty 4 is amazing and is anything but "just another FPS". The game pushed the envelope in terms of graphics and presentation, had a phenomenal single player campaign with a good storyline and some shocking moments and was the most popular online FPS for quite some time.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 12:14:13 PM | message detail

From: The_Ocelot2 | #319
So a game has to revolutionize in order to be remembered?

Call of Duty 4 is amazing and is anything but "just another FPS". The game pushed the envelope in terms of graphics and presentation, had a phenomenal single player campaign with a good storyline and some shocking moments and was the most popular online FPS for quite some time.



I loved Call of Duty 4, I beat it twice and played it online over 100 hours, so I agree with you about most of this stuff. I just don't see it as revolutionary enough that it'll be remebered as a classic once there are FPS out in the future that do everything better, whereas Goldeneye stands the test of time because it was the first of its kind and opened up the flood gates to console FPS.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/3/2008 12:14:31 PM | message detail
Still, if it's a great multi-platform FPS that not only millions of people played but loved it more than a game with such sales as Halo 3's...and it won GotY's at many places and took runner-up at GAMEFAQS, so it's got staying power. CoD:WaW isn't going to got it votes any more than SSBB is going to cost SSBM votes from original SSBM-fans who aren't so pleased with SSBB.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 12:15:58 PM | message detail
Still, if it's a great multi-platform FPS that not only millions of people played but loved it more than a game with such sales as Halo 3's..

CoD4 outsold Halo 3 if you combine the 3 systems its on.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/3/2008 12:19:03 PM | message detail
and that's bad why?
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/3/2008 12:19:17 PM | message detail
CoD4 was the best selling game of 2007 if you combine it's sales.
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 12/3/2008 12:26:27 PM | message detail
That's not true, Guitar Hero 3 outsold it.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/3/2008 12:27:28 PM | message detail
http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=289631

Activision, the company that publishes both disagrees >_>
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TestIcicles | Posted 12/3/2008 12:29:48 PM | message detail

You put too much faith in how many people are playing the game. People loved CoD4 and will vote for it in a poll, the fact that they don't play it anymore won't influence their vote in most cases.


True for most games but I gotta side with Albion here. FPS' especially online ones where all anyone cares about is the next, newer, bigger, better one don't have concrete fanbases. People are very willing to move onto the next one and forget all about it's predecessor. I wouldn't take CoD4 to amount to much of anything.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/3/2008 12:33:05 PM | message detail
1 - Zelda: Ocarina of Time
16 - Left 4 Dead


Good setup. The biggest blowout machine in the bracket draws some nice fodder. I expect 90%+.

8 - Portal
9 - Donkey Kong Country 2


Awesome 8/9. I expect most of the board to take DKC2 without a second thought, but I'm far more cautious. I look at that game and see four letters: FLOP. But will it flop hard enough to lose to a relatively niche PC game? Hell yeah, give me Portal in a squeeker.

5 - Mega Man 2
12 - Starfox 64


Another great match to entertain the upset, but it's too hard after just pulling the trigger on Portal. I've always thought SF64 could make waves (it was one of only three N64 games worth a damn during the 2+ year stretch between Mario and Ocarina), but Mega Man 2 could be the blue bomber's strongest game. I wouldn't take Star Fox over Mega Man X, so I can't take it here.

4 - Grand Theft Auto 4
13 - Final Fantasy IX


You expected complaints? This bracket is awesome so far! I especially like how the seeding here would make anyone feel crazy for considering the upset, but delving deeper always reveals more. Four FF games made the 2004 bracket, and all four looked either good or great or outstanding. IX may not be a top-tier FF, but it has a fanbase, it's on the most popular FF system, and it's sold millions. Compare that to GTA4, which is practically invisible these days. Forget about pulling the trigger - I'm unloading the clip on this upset.

6 - Super Metroid
11 - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night


Another fine match, but I think Samus takes this. Goldeneye gave Symphony of the Night the ol' 60/40 in 2004, and I can't help but feel that SotN has gotten weaker since then (just look at Alucard). I feel weird even suggesting that Super Metroid would have gotten beat down as easily. Gimme Metroid here.

3 - Call of Duty 4
14 - World of Warcraft


Ohhhhhhhh man. I would have preferred pitting WoW in an environment that would have generated way more heat (say, against a Halo or a Tetris), but this is still highly debatable. Based on its GotY performance a year ago, you've gotta figure that CoD4 is at least on Halo's level. You'd figure that, but I probably wouldn't. The game just seems like it would flop in a contest setting; I almost think we'd see a GTA effect on steroids. However, WoW is a game that's simply disliked by much (most?) of GameFAQs. This one is almost a coin toss, but seeing as how I expect a CoD flop, I'll take WoW and see what happens.

7 - Kingdom Hearts
10 - Metal Gear Solid 3


Evil man, these are two of my top 10! MGS3 has a hugely devoted fanbase, but it still may be the weakest of the original three. Kingdom Hearts is a weaker series (saw that in 2006), but it still did a great job with only two games, and I'm convinced that the KH of today is stronger than the one we saw in 2004. Give me Kingdom Hearts. Actually, give me a box of tissues; evil match.

2 - Resident Evil 4
15 - Disgaea: Hour of Darkness


Good gauge for RE4. It better kill this match.

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ZFS | Posted 12/3/2008 12:34:27 PM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 12:37:31 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #329
COD4 will do fine if its gets into a contest. People aren't going to 'forget' about a game one year later. It's way too recent and fresh in people's minds for GameFAQs - which took really well to the game, in a way that any other COD hasn't done - for them to just pass it up, especially if we're talking about World at War. Wait until the GotY polls - World at War won't even be in the running for anything.



You don't understand the mainstream FPS genre, do you?
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ZFS | Posted 12/3/2008 12:38:39 PM | message detail
COD4 will do fine if it gets into a contest. People aren't going to 'forget' about a game one year later. It's way too recent and fresh in people's minds for GameFAQs - who took really well to the game, in a way that no other COD has - for them to just pass it up, especially if we're talking about the alternative being World at War. Wait until the GotY polls - World at War won't do well in any poll its in. I don't know what the numbers look like, but I'm sure someone can find something showing that COD4's still one of the most played games on Xbox Live.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 12:39:52 PM | message detail
but I'm sure someone can find something showing that COD4's still one of the most played games on Xbox Live.

It is, if you go by pure rankings. But if you look at the actual hour tallies, its FAAAAAAAAAAR behind the big 3 atm on XBL..

1. Gears of War 2
2. Left 4 Dead
3. Call of Duty: World at War
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ZFS | Posted 12/3/2008 12:40:16 PM | message detail
Quick Google search is all it took:

LIVE Activity for week of November 24th
Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UU’s)
1 Halo 3
2 Gears of War 2
3 CoD: World at War
4 Call of Duty 4
5 GTA IV
6 Fable II
7 Left 4 Dead
8 Madden NFL 09
9 Fallout 3
10 FIFA 09

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 12:41:16 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #333
Quick Google search is all it took:

LIVE Activity for week of November 24th
Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UU’s)
1 Halo 3
2 Gears of War 2
3 CoD: World at War
4 Call of Duty 4
5 GTA IV
6 Fable II
7 Left 4 Dead
8 Madden NFL 09
9 Fallout 3
10 FIFA 09



This counts total time played, not online time. Or else GTA4 and Fable 2 wouldn't be there. I coulda sworn that Halo 3 had fallen out of top 3 last time I saw it though
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/3/2008 12:41:59 PM | message detail
I'm done arguing about CoD4, you are all too thick skulled

Ironic statement of the year am I right
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ZFS | Posted 12/3/2008 12:45:17 PM | message detail
Got the week before that, too.

LIVE Activity for week of November 10th
Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UU’s)
1 Gears of War 2
2 Call of Duty 4
3 Halo 3
4 CoD: World at War
5 Left 4 Dead Demo

The whole idea that COD4 isn't popular anymore is just silly. But I'm not going to get into anymore - the whole argument is dumb.

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TestIcicles | Posted 12/3/2008 12:46:10 PM | message detail
Of course it's popular... but I still seriously doubt how well it will be able to do in the contest.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 12:46:45 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #336
The whole idea that COD4 isn't popular anymore is just silly. But I'm not going to get into anymore - the whole argument is dumb.



I never said it wasn't popular. What I'm saying is its not as popular as the polls right after it released indicate it is.
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ZFS | Posted 12/3/2008 12:48:10 PM | message detail
How well it does in a contest depends on your expectations. It's probably right around the Halo games, which is about as high as one should reasonably expect it to be.

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TestIcicles | Posted 12/3/2008 12:49:08 PM | message detail
If it did as well as Halo I'd be pretty surprised, tbqh.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/3/2008 12:49:39 PM | message detail
Hey guys, let's talk about how the Phoenix Wright game would do!

Ace Attorney vs. Earthbound! Go!

(This'll at least get HaRR to reply!)
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 12:50:07 PM | message detail
Only way I could see CoD4 winning a match is if it gets a high seed due to review scores, then beats up on fodder or low midcard. If it gets a medium seed or whatever I don't think it'll advance past round 1
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/3/2008 12:51:32 PM | message detail
If Earthbound makes the bracket, I'll rip my balls off.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/3/2008 12:52:19 PM | message detail
It's not a matter of making the bracket! This is just a hypothetical "What do you think of Ace Attorney's strength?" gauge.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/3/2008 12:52:33 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #343
If Earthbound makes the bracket, I'll rip my balls off.



-hopes for 128 games making it-
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 12/3/2008 12:55:35 PM | message detail
If Earthbound makes the bracket, I'll rip my balls off.

I'll rip my balls of if the game doesn't make it. I'm more certain that Earthbound will make it than say, Sonic2.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/3/2008 12:56:06 PM | message detail
So either way, someone's ripping balls off!

Win-win situation, I say
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/3/2008 12:56:09 PM | message detail
Earthbound will make the bracket. Earthbound, Disgaea, and a Tales game are our guaranteed niche RPGs that shall always make the contests.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/3/2008 1:19:47 PM | message detail
eh, i dont know if i'd take PW to get 42% on Doom.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/3/2008 1:25:37 PM | message detail
Earthbound is going to be pissing off genitalia all over the world, apparently.


I want to say Phoenix takes it since EB is so old and largely unknown, but PW:AA is pretty unknown too and I still remember these polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2151
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2243
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2751
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2861
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3012

No PW game has ever been looked forward to by many people nor has any game fared well in GotY-polls, not to mention neither Phoenix and Miles aren't very impressive. Then again, neither is Ness and he's got the SSB-series on his side. It's worth pointing out at least EB has shown it can impress in some way or another:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197

I don't like gauging these games by any of these polls, honestly, but this one's the newest and has the highest percentage against bigger-name games despite other RPGs and Nintendo titles in there against EB. Despite being unorthodox, I kinda have to trust EB more here.


Both should suck though.
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