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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 645

charmander6000 | Posted 12/2/2008 12:33:05 PM | message detail
How can you keep out Sonic 2? =\

I'm just saying if the bracket was 64 games I wouldn't be surprised if it failed to make it, plus I think Sonic 3 & Knuckles should have a shot.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/2/2008 12:34:20 PM | message detail
Still Sonic 2 should make it over original Legend of Zelda or Wind Waker (seeing as how Twilight Princess will make it). One series with a NN shouldnt have 4 games at least and another NN have none :(
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Master Moltar | Posted 12/2/2008 12:36:25 PM | message detail
not even 24 hours into the nomination period and i already can't remove the palm from my face

good lord this topic
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/2/2008 12:45:00 PM | message detail
This is why we need 128 games.
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Yesmar | Posted 12/2/2008 12:48:47 PM | message detail
While I would never want to go back to division by era, the one thing to note is that it helps prevent the following situations where the same game essentially gets in twice. Does anyone honestly think that all 3 Halos and both of the Kingdom Hearts will have any essential difference in popularity? Or Guitar Hero 2/3

I would guess that Halo 1 is both directly and indirectly more popular than the other two, but how would the Kingdom Hearts games go down. I could see either one winning head to head, but the first one being more popular indirectly. The Guitar Hero situation is different in that I would expect 3 to be more popular indirectly, but for 2 to win head to head.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/2/2008 12:51:57 PM | message detail
Thats the problem with sequels. Like for instance Halo games are all as different as Zelda games are (all different storylines but play the same.. same as zelda), but you'd have a riot if all 3 halo games got in even if we have tons of Zelda games. Yet games like the guitar heros are all essentially the same game
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ZFS | Posted 12/2/2008 1:05:48 PM | message detail
The difference between Halo and Zelda is that with the former you're dealing with games that are more or less going to be the same strength - there wouldn't be any significant gap between Halo and Halo 2 - whereas with Zelda they all vary greatly in where they lie. You've got OoT at the top, ALttP the next tier down, then TP after that, and WW/MM and so forth.

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HaRRicH | Posted 12/2/2008 1:10:30 PM | message detail
Now that I'm out of class, I'm going back to a discussion we just left: WoW would have to rally so much more than Starcraft. Professional reviews, GameFAQs reviews, GameFAQs scores, the Top 100 List, and the general consensus I get from people who played both games all favor Starcraft > WoW...so not only may people be more inclined to rally for Starcraft based on that, but WoW is more likely to face stiffer competition (more quickly, too) due to seeding if this is the case. Starcraft has an already-strong fanbase on GameFAQs so rallying will be cared about more by them, too, as opposed to WoW having to needing more people for it while being further behind. Let's not forget WoW gets on the ass-end of jokes too, so people will be more willing to rally against it should it get closer; few people would be comfortable with seeing their more favored games lose to WoW. Think about the complaints that went down about L-Block last year and how hard we rallied against it from the end of last year to even today. Similar stuff.

Another thing about Starcraft's run: it got to face three often-ridiculed games in its three victories. People were less willing to let Starcraft lose to a FPS "ruining" the genre, a Disney game starring a kid with clown shoes and Lance Bass as Sephiroth, or the LoZ game that Shigeru said nearly killed the series due to complaints of the new direction. Also throw in that many Starcraft fans were pissed about having a sixteen-seed. I doubt this contest has visible seeding, and WoW would need a stroke of luck to find games that LOTS of people want to see lose.


WoW has more aces up its sleeve than any other game, but it's coming in without its hat and rabbit in comparison to Starcraft...and the hat and rabbit is CRUCIAL for a classic magic show.




Terrible analogy for the win, but I think it works!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/2/2008 1:15:04 PM | message detail
The main thing you are forgetting Harrich is that Starcraft at that point was essentially a game among hardcore players with a much lower play rate then WoW has. WoW doesn't only appeal to the hardcore, its a cultural phenomenon with a higher active playrate then any game in history of gaming, and its up there with Mario and Final Fantasy as well known among non gamers, too. Everyone knows about World of Warcraft, but how many people outside of hardcore gamers really know Starcraft? I'd say World of Warcraft will be a total force to be reckoned with, and the rallying power just makes it stronger.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/2/2008 1:20:44 PM | message detail
The main thing you are forgetting Harrich is that Starcraft at that point was essentially a game among hardcore players with a much lower play rate then WoW has. WoW doesn't only appeal to the hardcore, its a cultural phenomenon with a higher active playrate then any game in history of gaming, and its up there with Mario and Final Fantasy as well known among non gamers, too. Everyone knows about World of Warcraft, but how many people outside of hardcore gamers really know Starcraft? I'd say World of Warcraft will be a total force to be reckoned with, and the rallying power just makes it stronger.

World of Warcraft also gets hate like no other entrant these contests have ever seen. You're going to be getting a ton of people who will just vote against WoW. No matter what. That one poll had like 50% of the site not only not playing WoW, but being morally opposed to MMORPs in general. That's 50% of the site that we can bet won't be voting for WoW at all ever. Then you've got less than 15% of the site that actually actively plays the game, and I know you say you don't have to be actively playing a game to like it, but I would bet the vast majority of those 17% that have played the game, but don't anymore are people that quit because they didn't like the game anymore. It's not like other games that you can beat and be done with, this is a game that you play as long as you like it, and if you stop it's probably because you don't like it.


I just don't buy World of Warcraft being uber powerful in this contest... or even at Starcraft's level. Rallying can only get you so far.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/2/2008 1:24:48 PM | message detail
The main thing you are forgetting Harrich is that Starcraft at that point was essentially a game among hardcore players with a much lower play rate then WoW has.

Unproven on GameFAQs; I suspect Starcraft STILL has a higher ownership-rate than WoW here. It and Diablo 2 were THE computer-games to have for a long time.


WoW doesn't only appeal to the hardcore, its a cultural phenomenon with a higher active playrate then any game in history of gaming, and its up there with Mario and Final Fantasy as well known among non gamers, too.

1) Starcraft's appeal to the hardcore probably HELPED it here, plus when you sell that well it's hard to call Starcraft an incredibly hardcore divided fanbase.
2) Speaking of cultural phenomenons, isn't Starcraft practically part of Korea's economy?
3) You can also say similar things about Guitar Hero. That CAN be good, but it doesn't mean it WILL be good. Why does this mean particularly good things on GameFAQs, a site much more specifically for gamers than non-gamers?


Everyone knows about World of Warcraft, but how many people outside of hardcore gamers really know Starcraft? I'd say World of Warcraft will be a total force to be reckoned with, and the rallying power just makes it stronger.

As far as places where you can rally for Warcraft, I would imagine the large majority of those people will be familiar with both games. As far as people strictly visiting GameFAQs on their own without rallying, they are still more likely to vote for Starcraft. Warcraft has a lot more people, but they're still many of the same people. Many people coming here not familiar with WoW (as in having played it) probably think lowly of it as opposed to probably thinking apathetically of Starcraft. WoW isn't much better off in that regard except for numbers, but you still can't differentiate the people so much.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/2/2008 1:27:06 PM | message detail
I know you say you don't have to be actively playing a game to like it, but I would bet the vast majority of those 17% that have played the game, but don't anymore are people that quit because they didn't like the game anymore. It's not like other games that you can beat and be done with, this is a game that you play as long as you like it, and if you stop it's probably because you don't like it.

Very intriguing point I'm inclined to agree with, but I'll stick with wait-and-see mode for now; people can simply want to be done with a game after awhile, I think.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/2/2008 1:45:15 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm aware of the anti votes, which is why WoW would be better in 4way. But still, its a VERY intriguing game to see how well it does, and I don't think anyone can deny that.
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transience | Posted 12/2/2008 2:00:28 PM | message detail
welp, looks like we're in for two months of fighting over this one

time to nominate it and avoid this aids-infested topic!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/2/2008 2:02:34 PM | message detail
People think WoW would lose to Twilight Princess? I can't see TP being worth much more than Wind Waker, and WoW is definitely going to be stronger than Starcraft. Unless you think TP is OoT 2.0, WoW wins at least 55-45.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/2/2008 2:03:15 PM | message detail
oh great
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/2/2008 2:05:06 PM | message detail
I agree too, very intriguing.


FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy 8 will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Only one Halo game will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Only one Grand Theft Auto game will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft can rally 10,000+ votes in a single match against any given opponent(s) [barring Starcraft/Diablo 2].
FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Super Mario Galaxy.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/2/2008 2:05:34 PM | message detail
People think WoW would lose to Twilight Princess? I can't see TP being worth much more than Wind Waker, and WoW is definitely going to be stronger than Starcraft. Unless you think TP is OoT 2.0, WoW wins at least 55-45.

lolwut? WoW is REALLY hated. If anything, WoW will be WEAKER than StarCraft.
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Master Moltar | Posted 12/2/2008 2:06:15 PM | message detail
Man, at least the Zack stuff started after the bracket was out.

it's going to be funny if it gets put against an elite opponent right off the bat or gets an extremely predictable path with fodder and then an elite

Blizzard is entertaining yes but I always end up rooting against it because of the horrible fanboys who overrate it.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/2/2008 2:06:21 PM | message detail
People think WoW would lose to Twilight Princess? I can't see TP being worth much more than Wind Waker, and WoW is definitely going to be stronger than Starcraft. Unless you think TP is OoT 2.0, WoW wins at least 55-45.

BT, close your account.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/2/2008 2:08:01 PM | message detail
Fact
Fact
Fact (possibly none at all)
Fiction
Fiction

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Master Moltar | Posted 12/2/2008 2:10:20 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy 8 will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Only one Halo game will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Only one Grand Theft Auto game will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft can rally 10,000+ votes in a single match against any given opponent(s) [barring Starcraft/Diablo 2].
FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Super Mario Galaxy.

Fact baring some ridiculous cap
Fact, hopefully it's 3
Fact, I'd only like to see how GTA4 does
Fiction
Fiction, I think Brawl's the strongest there
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/2/2008 2:10:56 PM | message detail
FACT: Final Fantasy 8 will make it into the bracket.
FACT: Only one Halo game will make it into the bracket.
FACT: Only one Grand Theft Auto game will make it into the bracket.

FICTION: World of Warcraft can rally 10,000+ votes in a single match against any given opponent(s) [barring Starcraft/Diablo 2].

I'm tempted to say fact on this, but Starcraft could never rally more than 2500 or so, and while I don't think it reached its limit (if Melee's lead had been, say, 3000 instead of 3800, SC might have pulled it off even without cheating), WoW's limit probably isn't that much higher.

FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Super Mario Galaxy.

I've been as down on Brawl as almost anyone, but it's not like TP impressed either- all it has going for it is the Legend of Zelda name. Brawl is a stronger game.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/2/2008 2:14:02 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy 8 will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Only one Halo game will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Only one Grand Theft Auto game will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft can rally 10,000+ votes in a single match against any given opponent(s) [barring Starcraft/Diablo 2].
FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Super Mario Galaxy.

Fact, unless a cap is enacted
Fact
Fact (hell, GTA may miss out entirely)
Fiction (StarCraft could only manage 1400 votes against SSBM and it got caught cheating)
Fiction
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/2/2008 2:14:05 PM | message detail
Oh, and against decent competition.....I don't think even 10,000 votes is going to be enough. 60-40 in 1v1 with 130k total votes is 26,000 votes......in 1v1s, you actually have to have some strength to put you in position for the rally.
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transience | Posted 12/2/2008 2:15:15 PM | message detail
red sox brings up one of the more important points against World of Warcraft - we get a good 50k more votes for a match these days than we did five years ago.

that said, World of Warcraft could rally 10,000 votes. it just couldn't rally 30,000.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/2/2008 2:26:45 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy 8 will make it into the bracket. (Fact)
FACT or FICTION: Only one Halo game will make it into the bracket. (Fact)
FACT or FICTION: Only one Grand Theft Auto game will make it into the bracket. (Fact)
FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft can rally 10,000+ votes in a single match against any given opponent(s) [barring Starcraft/Diablo 2]. (Fiction, it can't do it against Mario or other really big names, but it can against smaller names like if its up against something like Sonic or something)
FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Super Mario Galaxy. (Fiction)
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hailEC | Posted 12/2/2008 2:28:49 PM | message detail
WoW Stats and Discussion - Part 645

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HaRRicH | Posted 12/2/2008 2:30:10 PM | message detail
So...it seems we have a pretty strong consensus on those five...let me try again:

FACT or FICTION: God of War will make the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will be the second strongest LoZ-game.
FACT or FICTION: Diablo 2 will be the weakest of the big three Blizzard games.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/2/2008 2:32:05 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: God of War will make the bracket. (Fact, and it will win a match also)
FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will be the second strongest LoZ-game. (False, Majoras Mask if it makes it, and LttP will both be stronger)
FACT or FICTION: Diablo 2 will be the weakest of the big three Blizzard games. (Fact)
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RPGuy96 | Posted 12/2/2008 2:39:29 PM | message detail
God of War: Fiction. If either title makes it in, I'd expect it to be the second, but split votes will probably keep both of them away in a 64 game contest. Kratos has decent nomination strength so I could be wrong, but not as much as Dante and DMC missed out on 2k4's contest even without DMC3.

Twilight Princess: Fiction. I'd expect it to be weaker than Link to the Past.

Diablo 2: Fiction. StarCraft > Diablo 2 > World of WarCraft.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 12/2/2008 2:43:04 PM | message detail
God of War: I'd go with Fiction. Split nominations may keep it out.

TP: Fiction. I doubt it'll be stronger than Link to the Past.

Diablo II: Fiction. SC > Diablo 2 > WoW is what I'm feeling.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/2/2008 2:44:28 PM | message detail
FACT: God of War will make the bracket. Not confident of this.
FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will be the second strongest LoZ-game. LTTP will definitely be stronger, and MM will probably be stronger. Maybe even Zelda 1.
FICTION: Diablo 2 will be the weakest of the big three Blizzard games. Starcraft > Diablo 2 > World of Warcraft.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/2/2008 2:46:47 PM | message detail
God of War: Fiction. If either title makes it in, I'd expect it to be the second, but split votes will probably keep both of them away in a 64 game contest. Kratos has decent nomination strength so I could be wrong, but not as much as Dante and DMC missed out on 2k4's contest even without DMC3.

Twilight Princess: Fiction. I'd expect it to be weaker than Link to the Past.

Diablo 2: Fiction. StarCraft > Diablo 2 > World of WarCraft.


What he said.

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Master Moltar | Posted 12/2/2008 2:48:40 PM | message detail
Wow, you guys have a lot of faith in Majora's Mask. It's my favorite in the series and even I have my doubts about its strength!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/2/2008 2:53:10 PM | message detail
MM won't be beating TP, but it's going to do very well regardless. It's not as much of a 'black sheep' as other games from other series are, and it's a ZELDA game.

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HaRRicH | Posted 12/2/2008 2:56:57 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure this Majora's Mask faith is unfounded!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2995
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3199
Top 100 List: LoZ:WW - #45, LoZ:MM - #46

Awkward comparison of polls and the Top 100 List, but it's worth pointing out we've seen before that LoZ:WW = LoZ:MM as we've often suspected and LoZ:TP crushed LoZ:WW. It's also worth pointing out LoZ:MM is less requested than GE on the VC while we assume GE = SM64 >= SMG and saw LoZ:TP beat SMG despite LoZ:WW.


No way Majora's Mask beats Twilight Princess. LoZ:MM might impress or something head-to-head due to its sturdy fans, but it's not pulling out a victory.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/2/2008 3:24:42 PM | message detail
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Ngamer64 | Posted 12/2/2008 3:26:27 PM | message detail
Good work KP!

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Master Moltar | Posted 12/2/2008 3:56:10 PM | message detail
*googles chun-li*

...

oh my
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 12/2/2008 3:57:38 PM | message detail
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Ngamer64 | Posted 12/2/2008 4:05:14 PM | message detail
Alright, I've completed my analysis of the other 4/6th of the nomination process, aka the Reader Reviews, My Games, and Pro Reviews portions. If you would like to see what games those extra categories are going to be giving a leg up in the upcoming bracket, give my topic a look!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=46919575

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nintendo girl | Posted 12/2/2008 4:05:19 PM | message detail
GTA 4 vs Portal, how does it go?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 12/2/2008 4:22:38 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy 8 will make it into the bracket.

FACT. The only reason 10 made it last time and not 8 was because of the loaded 32-bit division.

FACT or FICTION: Only one Halo game will make it into the bracket.

FACT. 3 will make it in and that's it.

FACT or FICTION: Only one Grand Theft Auto game will make it into the bracket.

FACT. 4 is definite, San Andreas is possible, but I can't see it.

FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft can rally 10,000+ votes in a single match against any given opponent(s) [barring Starcraft/Diablo 2].

FICTION. It wouldn't be able to do that against any widely known and loved games like Marios and Zeldas. Anything that doesn't have a near-universal fanbase like that is FACT.

FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Super Mario Galaxy.

Brawl > Galaxy > TP

Am I the only one that notices how NOBODY talks about Twilight Princess any more? Melee > Wind Waker, so it seems obvious that Brawl > TP. And Galaxy was the first good Mario game in 10 years aside from NSMB.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/2/2008 4:39:24 PM | message detail
TP is still a Zelda; a launch title also. it also beat RE4; so i wouldnt put it anywhere close to WW at the very least.

to say WoW > TP is an easy decision is just silly.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 12/2/2008 4:47:08 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy 8 will make it into the bracket.

Fact. I think it has enough of a backing. It doing well? Eh.

FACT or FICTION: Only one Halo game will make it into the bracket.

Fact. That game will, no doubt, be Halo 3.

FACT or FICTION: Only one Grand Theft Auto game will make it into the bracket.

Fact. It's either IV or nothing.

FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft can rally 10,000+ votes in a single match against any given opponent(s) [barring Starcraft/Diablo 2

Fiction. Just... no.

FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Super Mario Galaxy.

Fiction. After all that's happened, I still think Brawl beats both soundly.
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Gaddswell | Posted 12/2/2008 5:20:24 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy 8 will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Only one Halo game will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Only one Grand Theft Auto game will make it into the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft can rally 10,000+ votes in a single match against any given opponent(s) [barring Starcraft/Diablo 2].
FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Super Mario Galaxy.

Fact
Fact (Not sure which one makes it in though)
Fact (Probably 4)
Fiction (10k is a bit of a tall order! Sure it can rally a lot, but I don't see it on the same level as Starcraft!)
Fiction (Brawl > TP > Galaxy)
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ZFS | Posted 12/2/2008 5:22:08 PM | message detail
You can tell WoW's going to be one of the annoying entrants this year - it's always the Blizzard games damn you rallyfear

FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy 8 will make it into the bracket.

Fact. Hard to see FFVIII missing out, unless we only get FFVII/FFX/FFVI for Final Fantasy representation. Don't think we'd see another FF game before FFVIII.

FACT or FICTION: Only one Halo game will make it into the bracket.

Tough one. Think Halo can get two games in, the original and either Halo 2 or Halo 3. It wouldn't surprise me if only the original makes it, though.

FACT or FICTION: Only one Grand Theft Auto game will make it into the bracket.

Fiction. Think we'll see San Andreas and GTAIV.

FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft can rally 10,000+ votes in a single match against any given opponent(s) [barring Starcraft/Diablo 2].

Who knows. 10,000 seems like a bit much, but if it gets the same kinda support we saw from StarCraft toward the end of its run, I'd say so.

FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Super Mario Galaxy.

Brawl > Twilight Princess > Galaxy.

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creativename | Posted 12/2/2008 6:46:18 PM | message detail
OK, so given Ngamer's terrific research, we know that the seedings are probably going to be completely whack.

Like, maybe 2K2 style.

So some games are probably going to get quite unlucky, and others will have Scorpion 2K2 like paths.
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trannyscience | Posted 12/2/2008 6:55:41 PM | message detail
N is leaving out nominations, which will clearly favour the FF7s of the world. I also expect an element of common sense and not simply a mathematical formula - if Link to the Past comes out as a 10 seed, I trust SB will be like "uh, let's fix this."

whack seeding doesn't really bug me though as long as good matches occur. if we get an Ocarina of Time / Super Metroid matchup, or a FF7 / FF10 matchup, or Melee/Goldeneye, I'll be disappointed.
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