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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 644
| Haste_2 | Posted 11/29/2008 1:55:47 PM | message detail |
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Wow, this'll be three messages.... gawrsh! These are a LOT of excuses for something we've seen for three years running - Gordon's performance on Phoenix compared to his on Sora, his two performances against Duke, his two showings against Scorpion. Will there be yet another if he goes out and does it again next year? All of those can be explained by PEOPLE UNDERRATING HIM. His performance on Leon: His strength after Half-Life 2. His performance on Phoenix: People not wanting to see GFNW die, so they vote for Phoenix. His performance on Sora: His legit strength. His first round match against Duke: Duke being a fan favorite. His second round match: Orange Box. His first round performance this year: Orange Box. His second round: Big Daddy gone, Scorpion's horrible picture. His third round: legit strength off of Vincent (no, he's not stronger then Ganondorf). To explain Scorption doing worse than Gordon the next round, I think Scorpion just tends to get hurt abnormally with extra competition, particularly when there's at least two characters that can compete or beat him. He held up well against Samus because only Samus could even compete with him. Scorp appeared to hold up as well against Samus the next round... except it was clear that Samus was hurt by fanbase leeching by Yoshi and maybe Mega Man to a small degree, so Scorpion I think Scorpion disappointed there. Likewise with the round 2 match of this year. The hole in this argument is that it only partly explains Sub-Zero's behavior in the last contest. It's true that Scorpion could've just been stronger last year, but at least I made a case where it could've been Scorp who underperformed, not Gordon who over-performed. But, to add more in favor of the Gordon's score being accurate, just compare to how well he did against Vincent the next round... almost identical proportions. People WANT to believe Gordon is strong. They gave them their faith after he was given a cupcake fourpack, and he blew it against Nukem and nearly lost to pre-Brawl Ike. If Duke was such a fan-fave he wouldn't have lost to Marth this year - but he did, and that's just the way it goes. And again, looking at the way the monkey that slaughtered Marth did this year (blown away by Tidus?) - Gordon had no excuses. No way Duke gets 36% on Sora. Wait, so Zelda is as weak as Tidus now? (see: Tails' scores) I believe DK, Tails, and WCC all leeched each other. Yeah. We've seen Link SFF Shadow, Sonic suffer from Sandbag's presence, Ganondorf SFF Robotnik (most likely...), so there's some evidence of some extra fanbase sharing between Sonic and Nintendo characters (but not to the extent of Nintendo with Nintendo). As for WCC being part of that leeching mess, see how WCC improved the next round. WCC may actually be the character -most- responsible for DK (and Tails) doing so poorly. Notice that Kratos obliterated Kirby in that Kirby/DK/L-Block threesome, and I'm sure almost everyone here would pick Kirby over Kratos (and I'm not talking about that miracle Kirby we saw this contest). Also, I must emphasize that it's a threesome leeching each other, which would obviously have a larger effect than just a duo... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Haste_2 | Posted 11/29/2008 1:58:43 PM | message detail |
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Part three! I don't see Duke getting 36% on Sora, but maybe 32%. Anyway, I think it's Sora that has the problem of non-linearity (for lack of a better word), not Gordon. We've seen how much Sora improves (relatively) when stronger competition comes. See how much worse Fox did in relation to Sora the next round when Yoshi did about as well against Squall... and I don't think it's the fault of Fox crumbling, because that would mean Fox is as strong as Yoshi one-on-one, and it would make Chris Redfield a solid mid-carder. Also, don't forget that Sora let both Lara Croft and Albert Wesker get a nice percentage against him. That leaves one hole...how did Sora do so badly in Sonic/Squall/Sora/Sub-Zero? I think the reason is because of Sonic's presence... Squall's strong enough to compete with Sonic, and so many of those who like both Squall and Sora gave votes to Squall instead of Sora like they usually would have. I'd call this a similar situation to observing Ganondorf get crushed against Samus once Vincent joined the fray... I think Duke Nukem is stronger than he used to be... I simply will not buy that his entire 16-pack is all bad fodder. As for Ike doing almost as well as Duke (or Gordon), that's easy to explain: Ike overperformed being against three PC characters. I think it was Ike that overperformed in that 2K7 match, not Duke Nukem. Duke was just hit by the 4th place factor the following round, while Gordon probably got a slight boost from the Orange Box. Anyway, Duke is about as strong as Ocelot now in this contest environment using Kefka as the measuring stick...I just doubt Ocelot, Jill, Kefka, are all far from the fodder line. Curse the under-inflating multi-character x-stat formula! I like using Aprosenf's formula of 1-on-1 x-stats and then applying that to 4-way matches...simpler and arguably more accurate; and, there's no glaring flaw to it like applying creative's 1-on-1 x-stat formula directly to 4-way polls. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Lopen | Posted 11/29/2008 5:42:35 PM | message detail |
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So basically what you're saying is that instead of assuming Gordon is non linear, we should assume... 1. Sora is non linear. 2. Scorpion crumbles in the presence of two or more strong opponents (how does Vincent's four pack fit that criteria again), though it didn't happen last year because Yoshi, Mega Man, and Samus SFFed. 3. Ganondorf also crumbles in the presence of two or more strong opponents. 4. Ike overperformed due to three PC characters in the poll last year, 5. Duke Nukem is a respectable midcarder. All valid possibilities (not that I agree with them), but seriously... Occam's Razor anyone? These Gordon Freeman fanboys are the worst. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/29/2008 9:02:44 PM | message detail |
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I think Gordon is somewhat nonlinear, but trying to take his successes
away from him is silly. I seriously doubt he loses to Falco. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/29/2008 9:38:49 PM | message detail |
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It's been more than 12 hours since somebody posted in a CS&D topic. ...I miss the on-season already. --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 11/29/2008 9:40:15 PM | message detail |
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From: ZenOfThunder | #205 *looks at Kamikaze's post time* ??? --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://img.imgcake.com/daox0.jpg |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/29/2008 9:44:53 PM | message detail |
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Oh, dude, I thought his said PM. I'm tired... But I still miss the on-season. As bad as the n00bs are, there's still always something going on. --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 11/29/2008 9:45:42 PM | message detail |
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Well hopefully it'll be a shorter off season with the Games contest. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://img.imgcake.com/daox0.jpg |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/29/2008 9:48:07 PM | message detail |
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What we need is upset hype. Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core vs. Final Fantasy, who ya got? Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus vs. Halo, who ya got? --- ~War~ The Cream of Transexual FastFalcon Fanboyism ~War~ |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/29/2008 9:48:11 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, and hopefully the games contest won't have a crappy twist like this one did. --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/29/2008 9:49:56 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, the off-season will drag on a bit more now that it is hard to get
motivated over perfecting the mess we call four-way stats. Bring on the games. --- FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it? ...I don't want to talk about it. |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/29/2008 9:50:55 PM | message detail |
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So...if we assume L-Block Round 3 2007 = L-Block Round 3 2008, where does this put Captain Falcon? --- ~War~ The Cream of Transexual FastFalcon Fanboyism ~War~ |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 11/29/2008 9:51:18 PM | message detail |
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Forget about doing 4-way stats, hopefully we'll never see that format again. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://img.imgcake.com/daox0.jpg |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/29/2008 9:52:10 PM | message detail |
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I hope we get a normal, 1-on-1 games contest with no stupid "nominate
one game per platform" rule. 64 entrants, and no Big Rigs or any other
jokes clogging up the bracket. --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/29/2008 9:52:54 PM | message detail |
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Zen, we both know that Zero Wing should make the contest. --- ~War~ The Cream of Transexual FastFalcon Fanboyism ~War~ |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/29/2008 9:53:41 PM | message detail |
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....Alright, maybe one joke. Maybe Operation Shadow as well. But I draw the line at two! --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 11/29/2008 9:53:42 PM | message detail |
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Joke games/characters won't have much strength in a 1 vs 1 setting but
I still hate to see them filling up the bracket like you said. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://img.imgcake.com/daox0.jpg |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/29/2008 9:58:12 PM | message detail |
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I actually wouldn't mind if there were 4 (one as the 16 seed for each division). Big Rigs Zero Wing Operation Shadow uhhhh.... Barbie Horse Adventure or something? --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| -LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/29/2008 9:59:02 PM | message detail |
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64 entrants, and no Big Rigs or any other jokes clogging up the bracket. I'd like to see at least one joke in the bracket. At least we don't have to worry about them getting past the first round, as long as it's not a 4-way. To explain Scorption doing worse than Gordon the next round, I think Scorpion just tends to get hurt abnormally with extra competition Scorpion had a bad picture that round too. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but still not as cool as FastFalcon05, Guru Champ! |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/29/2008 9:59:33 PM | message detail |
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It's hard enough to limit a contest like this to 64 games with all the
actually good games out there, I don't think we really need four joke
games taking up space. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/29/2008 10:14:25 PM | message detail |
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FF:CC > FF pretty easily -- look at how the PSP-ownership has gone
up...plus if FF has brand-loyalty votes, think about FF7's
brand-loyalty. I'd have to stick with Halo > FF:DoC though. Yes, brand-loyalty and Vincent boosted nicely afterward so some people actually played it...but I'm cutting Halo some slack; in 2k4, Halo-hate was still big and it was a stand-alone game solely on the Xbox. Now, Halo-hate is down while spanning two consoles and PC. The first Halo is no longer the direct target of ridicule either, which can't hurt. Furthermore, it barely lost to Starcraft despite all that in what was EASILY the most popular poll...and I'm certain many more of those new additional votes came for Starcraft than Halo. Who knows where Halo should actually be thanks to all the rallying during and after that match, but that along with FF probably losing a step since 2k4 (which was a great year for Square anyway) is enough to give Halo a fighting chance. FF7's brand loyalty is scary though; the original FF got ~42% on SMB3 in 2k4, afterall. --- FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it? ...I don't want to talk about it. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/29/2008 10:17:23 PM | message detail |
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Also, as a joke idea that I actually owned, have heard suggested
before, and have seen in lists in magazines/web-sites...what about
Bible Adventures on the NES? http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary%27s/Pictures/NESGameCovers/Bible%20Adventures.jpg --- FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it? ...I don't want to talk about it. |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/29/2008 10:19:07 PM | message detail |
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Eh, if we're really going for a joke character, one of the many Christian games is pretty boring. If there must be a joke game, it should totally be Custer's Revenge. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/29/2008 10:19:11 PM | message detail |
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Bible Adventures vs. Zero Wing, who ya got? --- ~War~ The Cream of Transexual FastFalcon Fanboyism ~War~ |
| HaRRicH | Posted 11/29/2008 10:23:39 PM | message detail |
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Depends on if it's on a Sunday! --- FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it? ...I don't want to talk about it. |
| Gaddswell | Posted 11/29/2008 10:23:42 PM | message detail |
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Superman 64? ET? --- http://www.court-records.net/manga/4koma/(eng)4koma2.png Hail FastFalcon, our new guru overlord! |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/29/2008 10:27:08 PM | message detail |
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Bible Adventures vs. Zero Wing, who ya got? Zero Wing, by a mile. The thing with Bible Adventures is, it has a sort of funny concept... but that's all. A sort of funny concept makes it a joke, but it doesn't make it a good joke... a joke that people will vote for. It doesn't have the associated meme of Zero Wing, the sheer offensive quality of Custer's Revenge, or the "holy crap worst game ever" stigma of E.T. or Big Rigs. There's a lot of options that are better. But for reals. We don't need more than one joke. There were games that got snubbed back in 04, 4 years later we've had a bunch of big releases and it's just going to be hard to fit in everything that should be fit in when there are joke games flooding the bracket ;>_> --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/30/2008 2:23:00 AM | message detail |
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Hmm. Hopefully they don't divide the bracket by eras or use a nomination system like the one used in 2004. --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness FastFalcon sure showed us his moves in the Guru Contest! |
| Gaddswell | Posted 11/30/2008 2:45:19 AM | message detail |
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I just hope that we're not actually gonna base the entrants on those "My Games" list. --- http://www.court-records.net/manga/4koma/(eng)4koma2.png Hail FastFalcon, our new guru overlord! |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/30/2008 2:56:31 AM | message detail |
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One thing that stood out about this contest was the Crew starting out
getting hammered with Zack getting first and Shadow jobbing to Zidane
(and jeers of "FAILURE" in both instances)! --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness FastFalcon sure showed us his moves in the Guru Contest! |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/30/2008 2:58:38 AM | message detail |
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I just hope that we're not actually gonna base the entrants on those "My Games" list. That would be horrible. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
| Xcarvenger | Posted 11/30/2008 3:11:22 AM | message detail |
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One thing that stood out about this contest was the Crew starting
out getting hammered with Zack getting first and Shadow jobbing to
Zidane and it continued throughout division 1 as they bet against the Duke and Lucario bombed harder than Balthier. --- FastFalcon is THE GURU WINNAR, and he suggests you nominate Chocobo and visit www.board8.wikia.com |
| ZFS | Posted 11/30/2008 3:32:43 AM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core vs. Final Fantasy, who ya got? Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus vs. Halo, who ya got? Crisis Core and Halo. Having the FFVII namesake can help - especially against a game that relies heavily on its own franchise's name - but it isn't going to get you over anything legit if you're a bad game. Most people didn't bother with Dirge for that reason. Think Halo takes it easy. Less confident in Crisis Core over Final Fantasy, if only because the difference in playrate should be huge (at best, CC is 8% away from crossing the halfway mark on the site), but I can see some big FFVII fans who haven't played it switching from FF1 to CC based on not caring too much either way, and prefering FFVII. FF1 is weird because it shouldn't be anywhere near as strong as its match against Mario 3 implied (and I doubt it repeat that showing again), but if there's any game you'd expect to still be able to pull in those franchise votes today, it'd be FF1. --- http://i34.tinypic.com/9hmjrr.gif http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/30/2008 3:40:45 AM | message detail |
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One thing that stood out about this contest was the Crew starting
out getting hammered with Zack getting first and Shadow jobbing to
Zidane and it continued throughout division 1 as they bet against the Duke and Lucario bombed harder than Balthier. A whole division's worth of jeers of "FAILURE" in round 1? Wow. Well it doesn't change the fact that I still have doubts about Duke Nukem, Altair and (especially) Mewtwo (Duke and Altair will likwly collapse against anything with a name, and Mewtwo's stink bomb against Midna was particularly telling). --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness FastFalcon sure showed us his moves in the Guru Contest! |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/30/2008 9:05:11 AM | message detail |
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Maybe we should all fill out the "My Games" list of a few games to make sure they get in. --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/30/2008 11:00:00 AM | message detail |
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After seeing how powerful bandwagons have been the past 2 years, I
think our initial belief of Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker >>>
Halo back in 2004 was in fact correct, and Halo did not face a
Starcraft that had anywhere near the power it had against WW or SSBM
(even moreso SSBM). So, give me Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core over
Halo- between the FFVII fanbase, Halo anti-voters, and people who have
actually played and liked Crisis Core (not that small a group, despite
it being on PSP), I think it can manage a majority. Remember how bad
Master Chief is at 1v1s. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/30/2008 11:04:33 AM | message detail |
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Oh, we were discussing Dirge of Cerberus vs. Halo. Well, I'd be much
less confident there, because most people seem to have disliked DoC.
But the same reasoning should still apply, and never underestimate
Halo/MC's ability to choke in 1v1 matches. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Lopen | Posted 11/30/2008 11:04:40 AM | message detail |
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People need to stop doubting FF1's strength. It's safe to say it gets
some franchise votes... but I think it takes Crisis Core with some
ease. That game was pretty popular back in the day... it even had a
Nintendo Power player's guide that was given with a subscription and
its own webcomic... how many NES games can say that? --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| Lopen | Posted 11/30/2008 11:13:13 AM | message detail |
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And it should be noted that the FF1 Message Boards have 18 pages of
posts whereas the next most popular, Dragon Warrior, has a mere 3. Not
saying that message board activity is the best indication of
popularity, but you can't just ignore that. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/30/2008 12:49:53 PM | message detail |
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Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII FF1 isn't all franchise voting, but that is still going to hurt. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Lopen | Posted 11/30/2008 12:51:32 PM | message detail |
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I think it'll hurt some, but I don't think the strength of Crisis Core
or the percentage of FF1 votes that are just franchise votes will be
enough to make up the difference. FF1 55-45 there. --- FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead. Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon. |
| daverath | Posted 11/30/2008 1:14:54 PM | message detail |
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when are final contest standings usually posted? --- putting the laughter in manslaughter |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/30/2008 3:53:20 PM | message detail |
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Ok, so DKC2 is supposed to be getting in the next Games contest? After
Diddy Kong's stink bomb against Captain Falcon, I can't help but feel
that DKC2 might bomb hard. --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness FastFalcon sure showed us his moves in the Guru Contest! |
| ZFS | Posted 11/30/2008 4:01:12 PM | message detail |
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World of difference between DKC2 and Diddy Kong. The DKC games would be
stronger than either Donkey Kong or Diddy Kong - relatively few people
genuinely care about the characters, but there's a large group out
there who consider DKC2 to be one of the best platformers ever made. That said, it depends on what you're expectations are for DKC2. It won't be hanging with the likes of Mario, but it'll be well above fodder. Maybe not the display of confidence depending on where you stand, but I'd take DKC2 over whatever Mega Man game makes it in. --- http://i34.tinypic.com/9hmjrr.gif http://i36.tinypic.com/2hehbis.gif |
| MetricTrout | Posted 11/30/2008 4:03:57 PM | message detail |
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Donkey Kong characters are unpopular due to their image and due to the
fact that they stopped putting out good games after the SNES. It should
not hurt one of the most popular games on the SNES from doing well. Not
as well as SMW, but still around Sonic 2 strength, maybe a little
higher. An interesting article about the DK fanbase: http://www.dkvine.com/features/root_of.html |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/30/2008 4:19:22 PM | message detail |
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I suppose that Marth lost to DK because as popular as he is in Smash,
all he is is a Smash proxy, and DK took that away from him. How will
things be different for him after Shadow Dragon...? --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness FastFalcon sure showed us his moves in the Guru Contest! |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/30/2008 7:35:56 PM | message detail |
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Anybody working on a new mock bracket? --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 11/30/2008 7:44:40 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout http://www.dkvine.com/features/root_of.html Damn good read. And really, all the proof we'll need is coming soon. If even one DKC game gets into the games contest, we'll have out answer. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. ALLEN LIED! PEOPLE LOST THEIR ABILITY TO CONTEST! |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/30/2008 8:56:08 PM | message detail |
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Thus is my concern: the majority of people who are "into" Donkey
Kong Country are nothing but nostalgists. In case you haven't noticed,
the people who've been giving us the most trouble since the beginning
of this website have been nostalgists. My unfortunate point is that,
effectively, we're all that's out there. We're not going to get any new
DKC fans on this site, because we're talking about things they have
never truly comprehended. There are NO DKC fans outside of this board
and in scattered locations here and there, and those fringe people have
adapted to embracing Jungle Beat and calling out King of Swing and Paon
as a force of habit. This is the one series that suffers due to
nostalgia. It's why King of Swing DS won't sell, it's why we're not
going to build up the poster level on this board, and it's why this
franchise is never going to get the respect and adoration it deserves. Ok, uh, I'm going to have to disconcur with that whole thing. I'd agree that there's not much as far as a rampant Donkey Kong series fanbase.... people don't buy things with the Donkey Kong label just because of its label like they do a Final Fantasy or Mario game, but that's because they aren't fan of Donkey Kong as a series, they're fans of Donkey Kong Country as a series which this guy is misrepresenting. King of Swing and DKC are very different games. People liked the DKC games not because of the name attached, but based on their own merit as high quality games. There's a DKC fanbase, and I think their reluctance to buy stuff like King of Swing or the bongo games shows that they're a bit smarter than other fanbases... they buy games because they're good games, not because they have a title similar to a good game. DKC deserves respect and adoration, Donkey Kong's entire career post DK64 probably doesn't. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 11/30/2008 10:23:32 PM | message detail |
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I think that match hinges entirely on how SB words the poll options. If it's Final Fantasy VS Crisis Core FF takes it easily. But if its Final Fantasy VS Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII I'd have to imagine CC sneaks out a win. On a totally different subject, imdb's poll of the day today plays right into yo's earlier ramblings about what would happen in a non-gaming fictional character Contest! The poll asks who people's favorites are out of the "best 20 movie characters ever". And the results are Who is your favorite movie character? The Joker - The Dark Knight 2230 (9.5%) Tyler Durden - Fight Club 1660 (7.1%) Darth Vader - The Star Wars saga 1651 (7.0%) Dr. Henry 'Indiana' Jones Jr. - The Indiana Jones saga 1640 (7.0%) Jeffrey 'The Dude' Lebowski - The Big Lebowski 1598 (6.8%) Captain Jack Sparrow - The Pirates of the Carribean trilogy 1486 (6.3%) James Bond - The 007 saga 1218 (5.2%) Dr. Hannibal Lecter - The Silence of the Lambs, etc. 880 (3.7%) Han Solo - The Star Wars saga 753 (3.2%) Vito Corleone - The Godfather 727 (3.1%) Forrest Gump - Forrest Gump 723 (3.1%) Travis Bickle - Taxi Driver 643 (2.7%) John McClane - The Die Hard saga 553 (2.4%) Jules Winnfield - Pulp Fiction 455 (1.9%) Ferris Bueller - Ferris Bueller's Day Off 416 (1.8%) Ellen Ripley - The Alien saga 412 (1.8%) Gollum - The LOTR trilogy 340 (1.4%) T-800 - The Terminator saga 211 (0.9%) Thomas Anderson/Neo - The Matrix trilogy 175 (0.7%) Hans Gruber - Die Hard 153 (0.7%) Ehhh, I don't buy the Joker's performance... sure he's strong, but give TDK hype a little longer to die down and he should come back to the pack. One that happens, Vader wins this clearly if he could avoid Star Wars SFF. What shocks me is the poor showing for Bond- expected much better of him regardless, but especially with QoS hitting theaters so recently. --- thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon! (thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat) |
