GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 644
| Biolizard28 | Posted 11/26/2008 4:27:28 PM | message detail |
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From: LeonhartFour Two words explain what happened to Ryu Hayabusa: Solid Snake. But that's exactly my point. In the face of characters with a "cooler" design and more appeal, Ryu H. falters. Hell, look at Duke Nukem in 2007. He took round 1 based entirely on his design, but when he hit Sub-Zero, from THE "mature game for mature gamers such as myself", he did horribly. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. ALLEN LIED! PEOPLE LOST THEIR ABILITY TO CONTEST! |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 4:36:39 PM | message detail |
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Hell, look at Duke Nukem in 2007. He took round 1 based entirely on his design, but when he hit Sub-Zero, from THE "mature game for mature gamers such as myself", he did horribly. Gordon Freeman boosted between rounds. Nothing at all to do with Sub-Zero. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 4:36:52 PM | message detail |
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Please don't act like what Duke Nukem did had ANYTHING to do with
Sub-Zero. Scorpion hit the exact same roadblock in his Round 2 match -
it's called "Gordon Freeman is ****ing nonlinear" And again, Solid Snake isn't just another badass. If Ryu just folded whenever he ran into a badass, he would've been decimated by Zero. Instead, he beat him outright. Snake, Sephiroth, these are characters that defy and break the rules - it's a result of them being so popular to begin with. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 4:39:13 PM | message detail |
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it's called "Gordon Freeman is ****ing nonlinear" No, he is. Look at his matches this year. The only odd result is his first round match, and that can be attributed to Big Daddy. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Yesmar | Posted 11/26/2008 4:45:40 PM | message detail |
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*points to Zelda > Tetris* Tetris probably suffers from whatever Pac-Man the character (and possibly game as well) suffers from. It might just completely collapse against anything with name recognition. --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 4:49:44 PM | message detail |
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Tetris probably suffers from whatever Pac-Man the character (and possibly game as well) suffers from. It might just completely collapse against anything with name recognition. It could, but I need more proof before backing this. There is no real reason to like the character Pac-Man other then it being an old school character (or it's character design). So, although it has some initial strength, when facing any character from the old school cast, he loses most of his support. Tetris on the other hand, is a game that everyone has played and the vast majority enjoy. I think it has legit strength. I could see it folding under Nintendo SFF, just because it is known as a Nintendo game. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 4:50:11 PM | message detail |
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No, he is. Look at his matches this year. The only odd result is his first round match, and that can be attributed to Big Daddy. Gordon went from getting beaten by 2000 votes to KILLING Scorpion by over 7000. Big Daddy didn't cause that change, unless Gordon is the easiest character to LFF in the world. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 4:51:52 PM | message detail |
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Maybe there's some Vincent/Scorpion badass factor going on with a combination of SFF from Gordon/Big Daddy? --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 4:52:53 PM | message detail |
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Are we all forgetting Scorpion's terrible R2 pic? --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 11/26/2008 4:53:45 PM | message detail |
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From: Karma Hunter | #103 I believe Bio meant more so looks like a badass. Ryu is a Ninja. Solid Snake not only sounds cooler, but looks more badass than a ninja. Zero just didn't look like a badass I guess. --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~AS FastFalcon ate me for breakfast |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 4:58:45 PM | message detail |
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I believe Bio meant more so looks like a badass. Ryu is a Ninja. Solid Snake not only sounds cooler, but looks more badass than a ninja. Zero just didn't look like a badass I guess. http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Cb7-42.jpg Maybe you don't remember that Round 2 picture. <_< --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/26/2008 5:08:17 PM | message detail |
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oh manz Faith would totally be guaranteed a spot next year if she looked like she did on the right: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/11/two_faiths.jpg --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 5:32:50 PM | message detail |
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Gordon boosting massively in between rounds last year makes... *calculates* ...zero sense. That's assuming a really large portion of GameFAQs played the game between rounds. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 5:37:00 PM | message detail |
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Gordon boosting massively in between rounds last year makes... *calculates* ...zero sense. That's assuming a really large portion of GameFAQs played the game between rounds. So, I guess you also don't believe in SMS boosting Mario past Cloud in 2002. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 5:39:17 PM | message detail |
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I believe in Planet GameCube boosting Mario past Cloud in 2002 and
Cloud not being as strong back then. After all, Sephy went 50/50 with
Mega Man that year, and 60/40'd him a year later. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 5:40:05 PM | message detail |
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You realize that Mario/Cloud was on the DAY that SMS was released, right? A few matches later, Mario had dropped down to Crono's level. That's probably the biggest argument against Gordon boosting between rounds right there. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 5:43:00 PM | message detail |
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What the hell. Ok, I don't even know why I'm arguing with this. It's as clear as ****ing day that Gordon boosted because of the Orange Box, and thinking otherwise is just flat out idiotic. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 5:43:26 PM | message detail |
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"lol Sowl" --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 5:45:13 PM | message detail |
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I don't see it being clear as day. He proved this year it WASN'T clear
as day, and thinking it was because of Big Daddy that he had two
completely different performances isn't that smart either. Gordon will
look better the stronger the fourpack gets. Against a fourpack where
he's close to the strongest character, he won't do as well, for
whatever the reason. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 5:45:53 PM | message detail |
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Ok, so explain me why Solid Snake boosted this year if you don't
believe in games boosting characters. Go on, do it and realize how
stupid you sound. Seriously, this is very, very basic contest knowledge. Take one character that's only known as a PC character, and put him in a hyped game across all major consoles and the PC. Do you think people who went and played the game decided it was too early to vote for Gordon or something? --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 5:46:57 PM | message detail |
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I don't see it being clear as day. He proved this year it WASN'T
clear as day, and thinking it was because of Big Daddy that he had two
completely different performances isn't that smart either. Gordon will
look better the stronger the fourpack gets. Against a fourpack where
he's close to the strongest character, he won't do as well, for
whatever the reason. Keep believing in Gordon being a mysterious character that boosts and weakens randomly. I'll consider him a normal character that boosts when a brand new game comes out. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 5:47:06 PM | message detail |
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I don't believe in it happening THAT fast. I never said I didn't believe in it not happening. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 5:47:31 PM | message detail |
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And I just said it wasn't random. It depends on his competition. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 5:51:58 PM | message detail |
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It depends on his competition. Why does it depend on his competition? For every reason, there has to be some sort of explanation. You can't say Gordon is a character that doesn't show up when he's fighting weaker characters. It makes no sense whatsoever. You're really over-thinking him. Believe me, I would much rather have Gordon be this unique contest character that makes him a beast when he gains momentum, but he's not. He's a solid midcarder that boosted because of The Orange Box. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 5:53:14 PM | message detail |
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When Gordon does the exact same thing two years in a row (turn a narrow
loss into a 5% victory the next round), that's not overthinking it.
That's a trend. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 5:55:50 PM | message detail |
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He had reason to do it in year 1. In year 2, he also had reason to boost, and Scorpion had reason to weaken. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 11/26/2008 5:56:53 PM | message detail |
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tag --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 5:59:11 PM | message detail |
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It's not like this idea of Gordon being less linear than other
characters is anything new, either. We're talking about a character
that got nearly as much on post-KH2 Sora as Ryu Hayabusa did on pre-KH2
Sora. Does this mean Freeman would have even the faintest glimmer of a
chance against Ryu H in a typical match? No - but throw a Noble Niner
into the mix, and suddenly that loyal Half-Life fanbase is worth a lot
more. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 6:05:34 PM | message detail |
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I don't see anything wrong with the Sora/Gordon match, to tell you the truth. It cements the fact that Gordon is a midcarder. And why wouldn't Gordon have a chance against Ryu Hayabusa exactly? --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 6:06:51 PM | message detail |
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And why wouldn't Gordon have a chance against Ryu Hayabusa exactly? Okay joke argument everyone move along now --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 6:07:24 PM | message detail |
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Remember this is the guy who thinks Gordon can legitimately hang with Ganondorf. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 6:09:52 PM | message detail |
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Remember this is the guy who thinks Gordon can legitimately hang with Ganondorf. I also really thought GlaDOS could beat Vincent, and Knuckles would win the entire contest. If you want to try to disprove my credibility, at least quote something I didn't make jokingly. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 6:10:33 PM | message detail |
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I would think that making joke arguments means that we can't take you seriously! --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 6:10:56 PM | message detail |
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Okay, Alyx Vance > Lara Croft Seriously, Half-Life fanboyism! Not that I haven't made my fair share of ridiculous upset picks in my day! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 6:11:52 PM | message detail |
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No I'm pretty sure anything after Gordon > Hayabusa is just icing on the cake Gordon wouldn't beat Riku (although he did significantly better than Riku against Leon Kennedy, hmm this seems like a trend). --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 6:15:26 PM | message detail |
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Thank goodness all my crazy fanboy upset picks have panned out. I couldn't imagine what it'd be like in the same boat as Soul and Leon! --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 6:16:16 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I got, uhhh... ... ... ... ... ...Squall > Magus if it had happened! darn you knuckles --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 6:16:47 PM | message detail |
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Okay, Alyx Vance > Lara Croft Seriously, Half-Life fanboyism! Not that I haven't made my fair share of ridiculous upset picks in my day! Exactly. We all make mistakes. I would think that making joke arguments means that we can't take you seriously! Lopen (MC > Link), Heroic Mario and EC (Ganondorf > Male Bracket)... Are we done trying to kill my contest credibility yet? Despite some of my upset picks not working out, a lot of them actually do work (Sora > Ryu Hayabusa, Sonic > Crono, Duke's path). The same with every other user that posts in these topics. Back on subject here, I still haven't received any logical explanation on why Freeman magically boosts against stronger characters. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 6:18:11 PM | message detail |
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Should have added Ulti (Magus > Squall) and Leon (anything involving Sonic) to the list. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| ZFS | Posted 11/26/2008 6:22:39 PM | message detail |
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damn you vincent --- http://i34.tinypic.com/9hmjrr.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 6:23:41 PM | message detail |
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I gave you logical explanation! Not my fault if you don't accept it!
Gordon is one of those characters whose devoted fanbase is relatively
small but dedicated. That's part of the reason he kept breaking 40% no
matter who he faced until Sora, and even then, he did better than he
should have, really. Now that dedicated fanbase is noticeably larger,
so he does better. I had Sonic > Crono, too! I'm gonna list the major upset picks I've ever gotten right, now that KH is calling me out! Auron > Sonic this year! Ryu getting out of division 2 last year! Luigi > Ganondorf last year! (Fanboyism fueled, but nevertheless!) Sub-Zero > Master Chief in 2006! I'll refrain from posting my upset busts because it would break the character limit. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 6:24:18 PM | message detail |
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It's that Freeman has pretty much ZERO overlap. We're talking about
pretty much one of the only characters who simply CANNOT be SFFed by
virtually any character, and even when he can it's practically
negligible. His base is extremely loyal. This is the polar opposite of
characters like Falco, who despite having no disproportionate overlap
crumble when placed against credible opposition. You want my honest opinion? Freeman would likely lose to Falco 1v1, because there's just enough SSB fanbase out there that hasn't even heard of Gordon Freeman to beat that loyal HL base straight up. We're still talking about a character whose sole 1v1 win in these contests is Phoenix Wright. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 6:26:49 PM | message detail |
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Should have added Ulti (Magus > Squall) Don't even act like Magus > Squall was Ulti alone. Only a handful of people had Squall > Magus on this board. I even had several posts detailing why I thought Magus was overrated, but even then, few people listened! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 6:27:15 PM | message detail |
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I gave you logical explanation! Not my fault if you don't accept it!
Gordon is one of those characters whose devoted fanbase is relatively
small but dedicated. That's part of the reason he kept breaking 40% no
matter who he faced until Sora, and even then, he did better than he
should have, really. Now that dedicated fanbase is noticeably larger,
so he does better. So he has fans. How does that make him unique? Going by that logic, why does his fanbase only show up against stronger characters? If his fans are dedicated, they would vote for him no matter what, no? That would make him overperform on weaker characters too. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Yesmar | Posted 11/26/2008 6:27:27 PM | message detail |
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I think that Gordon is around 23-22 on BL, not the 25, that the stats
say. Keep in mind, that number is based off of a Vincent that is way
too high in my opinion. This is someone who did poorly against Falco R1
(I doubt buy any of that "obvious winners underperform" logic. [Where
was it last year?]) , and who went even with a Crono who did worse
against Ammy than Dante did* (I don't agree that some middling port
that didn't even sell that well did anything substantial for Ammy's
popularity). The "problem" with Gordon this year lies in people
overrating Vincent, IMO. *TWICE, mind you, even when Ammy was in 4th place and should have been logically underperforming. --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 6:28:00 PM | message detail |
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Man you people have had some crazy upsets over the years. The only blemish on my record is Mega Man > Samus and I got off that train well before it ever happened! I still maintain it would've happened if Mega weren't weaker than Auron these days argh --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 6:28:57 PM | message detail |
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Don't even act like Magus > Squall was Ulti alone. Only a handful of people had Squall > Magus on this board. I even had several posts detailing why I thought Magus was overrated, but even then, few people listened! There's picks that people make that fail, then there's picks that people make and then argue until your face turns blue on how that pick is the only possible pick, and fail. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 11/26/2008 6:29:10 PM | message detail |
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The only huge upset that I've had that's bitten me in the ass in recent memory was like...Diddy Kong going past round 2 <_< --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 6:29:25 PM | message detail |
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Going by that logic, why does his fanbase only show up against stronger characters? Looking at it from the wrong angle. The fact of the matter is that Gordon will hang in there better when a larger percentage of the poll is being taken up by a character much stronger than he is. Going from Scorpion/Big Daddy/Balthier (three characters that are his level or worse) to Samus/Ganon/Vincent (three characters who are much stronger than he is), Gordon lost 10%. Pretty good. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 6:34:06 PM | message detail |
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You want my honest opinion? Freeman would likely lose to Falco 1v1, because there's just enough SSB fanbase out there that hasn't even heard of Gordon Freeman to beat that loyal HL base straight up. We're still talking about a character whose sole 1v1 win in these contests is Phoenix Wright. Would Falco get 36% against Sora? Using your point, how about Ness? --- Good Times, Great Memories |
