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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 644
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 3:04:42 PM | message detail |
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124. Tim – 9.87% 128. Young Link – 9.07% --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:06:10 PM | message detail |
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Why is Bowser higher than Luigi? Why are they both so high anyway? Bowser is higher than Luigi because of the Liquid/Phoenix proportion. That's how I adjusted Bowser. They're both so high because of Liquid getting 40% on Mario when he was eliminated. Like I said, the division is atrociously overrated because there's no way to adjust it. I can make them atrociously underrated, too, but I don't know which is better. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 3:09:55 PM | message detail |
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And I can't believe I keep forgetting Wario in those comparisons. I
know people are high on Zack, but he's a midcarder, really - and one
that trounced Wario despite Brawl and LFF from Cecil. There's only so
high you can place him indirectly - it's ZACK FAIR. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 11/26/2008 3:13:46 PM | message detail |
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Maybe you could tell me how Ryu went from beating Riku and Roxas combined to losing outright to Riku. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. ALLEN LIED! PEOPLE LOST THEIR ABILITY TO CONTEST! |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 3:19:29 PM | message detail |
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37. Fox McCloud – 27.18% 38. Zero – 26.88% 39. Raiden – 26.87% Eat it Black Turtle. Haw haw Lopen! --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/26/2008 3:20:42 PM | message detail |
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Left 4 Dead 2008 champ I'm totally down with that idea. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:22:36 PM | message detail |
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Two words explain what happened to Ryu Hayabusa: Solid Snake. And for all of the people who are so high on Kratos, he didn't do that well. And remember he didn't beat Riku by that much last year, and we've seen what Riku has turned out to be. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:24:14 PM | message detail |
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Also, not sure why you think Lucario is so low. That's what he's
expected to be at based on where Altair is, and I even gave Altair his
second round value on the Duke rather than the third round. Otherwise,
Lucario would be even lower. Maybe he's dealing with LFF from Isaac,
but I doubt he's much higher than that. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 3:25:45 PM | message detail |
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I would've used Marth's R1 value, then based Lucario off of his
proportion to R2 Marth. Makes more sense to me then giving him a
straight-up LFFd value. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:28:48 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm...Hadn't thought of that. Either way, he gets an LFF'd value. But doing it that way, he ends up at 18.40%, which I personally think would overrate him. He was probably overperforming on Marth (Actually, no doubt he was, seeing how badly Marth lost), but if you think that's better, I can go with it. Should I leave Isaac where he is or adjust him up with Lucario? --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 3:29:59 PM | message detail |
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I'm not down on Kratos for the simple fact that if there's anyone I'd
expect to affect him as much as Snake, it would be Sephiroth. He still
went out and did what he was supposed to do this year, and I certainly
don't think the Kirbys and Yoshis of the world stand much of a chance
against him. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 3:30:59 PM | message detail |
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Isaac being so low is one of the main reasons I think both should be
adjusted up. Isaac is weak, but he's never been 14% on Link weak. Even if that value is somewhat overrated, I think it's closer to the truth than their R1 values/ --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 3:33:52 PM | message detail |
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didn't Isaac get like 20% on Samus or something? or is that SFF too? --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 3:35:15 PM | message detail |
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Isaac got 25% Samus, and the poor guy has never been in a non-SFF/LFF situation. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:35:15 PM | message detail |
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25%, wasn't it? Lot of people claim that's SFF though. I don't see Kratos being able to take on Kirby or Yoshi yet since I think they're both above Ryu, and Kratos hasn't given me any reason to think he can beat Ryu yet. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 3:36:55 PM | message detail |
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sounds fine to me. why would Isaac be higher than Vyse? --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:37:33 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, Isaac seems like he'd be bad fodder to me. I mean, it's Golden Sun. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 3:40:07 PM | message detail |
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Have we ever tested Golden Sun? Didn't everyone say the same thing about Amaterasu? I mean, the 2k3 stats put Felix at 24.6%. His only match was against a universally hated Chief, but Golden Sun is worth more than it's given credit for (although not as much nowadays than it was back then). --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:41:02 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, maybe Golden Sun back in 2003 was better, but Isaac's probably
worth much less these days. I mean, look at Vyse. He's fallen from
being the fodder line standard to barely being better than Rayman. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 3:43:26 PM | message detail |
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I was waiting for the Felix Argument. you can throw that match right out. Isaac's had three matches and none of them have been impressive. (no, staying close to Lucario while being doubled by Altair who lost to Duke Nukem is not impressive.) Isaac and Samus have maybe the weakest overlap amongst one company that I can come up with. if Isaac was SFFed, it means he went from being decent fodder to weak fodder. he's not going to be worth very much. it's Golden Sun. Golden Sun. --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 3:44:40 PM | message detail |
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Hey now, Kratos beat the stuffing out of Kirby last year, and wasn't
terribly far off from Kirby and DK combined. DK's vote would have had
to go in an almost Link SFF style proportion to Kirby in order for the
puffball to win that match. Being down on Kratos just plain doesn't
make sense - not only does it defy logic (he IS the new Dante, in
almost way that is relevant), he's looked like gold in every match he
hasn't run into a Playstation Noble Nine badass. Are we going to start
holding Ryu H's Snake Seizures against him in 1v1 encounters? --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:47:17 PM | message detail |
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Kratos wasn't "SFF'd" by Sephiroth enough to lose to Tifa in round 2,
and I don't think his proportion to Jill Valentine changed that much. Though for some reason, he couldn't beat an SFF'd Auron and was FAR away from Sonic, who looked anything but unbeatable this year. After Kirby beat Sonic, that doesn't inspire confidence in Kratos. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 3:49:39 PM | message detail |
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Look, I'm not going to get into this argument as there's no way I can
convince that stats topic that handheld games are worth more than they
think, but here's what my end conclusion is: Isaac is worth about 17% or so in Leon's stats. Disagree or agree? --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 3:50:22 PM | message detail |
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argh fourways Kratos got a nice percentage on Ryu, he got a new game and is poised to be the Next Big Thing for Sony. he'll be fine. Kirby/Kratos should happen next year 1 on 1. --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 3:51:22 PM | message detail |
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I'd go with more like 13 or 14, but that's splitting hairs. Isaac is
fodder that doesn't really deserve to make a contest. he's like Laharl,
a nice addition for niche RPG fans but ultimately not really worth
anything. that's fine. --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 3:51:25 PM | message detail |
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You realize every single one of those characters had considerable
overlap with one another EXCEPT Kirby and Sonic, right? Not to mention
that while of course we wouldn't expect the damage Seph put on Kratos
to compare with Tifa's, he was still able to beat her despite taking
some damage of his own and already being naturally weaker. That's a
plus for Kratos, not a strike against him. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:51:37 PM | message detail |
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Let's see...17% for Isaac is in the area of Nero, The Dog, Siegfried, Tails, and Spy. Where he is now, he's in the area of the SFF'd Brawl crew (Pit, Lucario, Ness, DeDeDe), Captain MacMillan, and Heavy. Which is more accurate? --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:52:42 PM | message detail |
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Kratos managed like 37% on Sephiroth in round 2, which is better than
I'd expect him to get one-on-one. The 30% he got in round 3 is what I'd
consider more accurate. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 3:53:32 PM | message detail |
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The first group. Everyone else will think the second group. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:55:51 PM | message detail |
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I personally wouldn't feel confident to even consider Isaac for an upset with the first group, but the second group... --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 3:57:25 PM | message detail |
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Either way, I'd feel fine adjusting Lucario and leaving Isaac alone, even if that doesn't seem fair. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 3:58:42 PM | message detail |
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Okay, now that makes no sense. Either adjust them both or leave both in fodderland. Don't you just love the offseason? We have such worthwhile debates. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 4:00:39 PM | message detail |
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I miss the days when we used to argue about Zack Fair. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 4:01:52 PM | message detail |
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Oh god. What if Crisis Core gets into the Games Contest? With a very debatable path? It'll be that all over again. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 4:03:28 PM | message detail |
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Score! By the way, I guess I can give my demographic tables to someone who knows how to put them on the Wiki (since I'm not familiar enough with it to do it). I might do them from last year, too. Maybe 2006. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 4:05:42 PM | message detail |
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Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII looking forward to this. --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 4:06:20 PM | message detail |
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...Actually, Crisis Core could very easily decimate much of the field. It's full name that would be used is Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII. As for the wiki, I'll do it if no one else wants to. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 4:06:44 PM | message detail |
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damnit tranny --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 4:08:46 PM | message detail |
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need I remind everyone of my favourite match? Super Mario Bros. 3 59.6% 43977 Final Fantasy 40.4% 29813 TOTAL VOTES 73790 find me 4 out of 10 people who prefer FF1 to Mario 3. Final Fantasy gets franchise voted in ways no other franchise does. --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 4:10:24 PM | message detail |
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| greatone10 | Posted 11/26/2008 4:10:30 PM | message detail |
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Also, I find it hard to believe that FF Tactics was really on the same level as Metal Gear Solid, even back in 04. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. I hereby bow to FastFalcon who FastFalcon Punched my bracket. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 4:11:10 PM | message detail |
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Oh, there's no doubt FFT was franchise voted there. I still don't know how FFX did so poorly against FFTA though. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 4:11:20 PM | message detail |
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I forgot about that match. I wouldn't have expected FF8 to do that well. Crisis Core>SMB3? --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 4:11:53 PM | message detail |
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I still don't know how FFX did so poorly against FFTA though. *coughhandheldgamesareworthsomethingcough* --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 4:13:03 PM | message detail |
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*points to Zelda > Tetris* Getting doubled by FFX doesn't make FFTA look good. It just makes FFX look bad. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 4:15:19 PM | message detail |
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How is Zelda/Tetris a good example in any way? And FFX almost beat Melee, and probably would've without it being Meg Ryan vs. Nintendo. Unless you think FFX got rSFFd hard by a Tactics spinoff. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 4:16:58 PM | message detail |
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Nah, it just didn't SFF FFTA at all, which surprised me. FFTA isn't an
example of handheld strength either. I mean, it's "Final Fantasy," even
if it's going against FFX. Heck, for all I know, the FFT fanboys voted for it without realizing how bad it is. I can't explain what happened there. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 4:19:05 PM | message detail |
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I'm on record as saying that FFX/FFTA is the single most confusing
result for me in the Game Contest. I can't believe it didn't get
murdered. it's got nothing to do with it being a handheld game, it has
to do with it being a maligned FFT bastardization against a mainline
Final Fantasy. I'd expect that kind of result from something like FFX
vs. FFT, not FFX vs. FFTA. --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 4:21:09 PM | message detail |
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For the record, FFTA was well-loved everywhere outside of B8. It won a
lot of handheld gaming awards the year it came out, and Fire
Emblem/Golden Sun/Advance Wars all came in that year as well. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/26/2008 4:21:39 PM | message detail |
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I like FFTA. it still doesn't explain how it didn't get killed by FFX. --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
