GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 644
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/25/2008 8:26:43 PM | message detail |
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FF7 for the repeat! ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories ~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~ http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html ~*aprosenf's poll script*~ http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. --- Falcon your brain in. ~*ST*~ Now Playing: Mother 3, Castlevania: OoE, MGS: Portable Ops |
| MetricTrout | Posted 11/25/2008 8:32:14 PM | message detail |
| Still looking for any evidence for the so-called "Nintendo-deboost" this year, other than the Squall vs Sora vs Yoshi vs Fox anomaly. |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 11/25/2008 8:50:10 PM | message detail |
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Did you even read what I wrote, KommunistKoala? Obviously or I would not have quoted you, redsox777. --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~AS FastFalcon ate me for breakfast |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 8:50:45 PM | message detail |
| It looks like MetricTrout got to it before me in
the last topic, but I'll say it again here. In the FFVII/CT playership
polls, FFVII's poll got 13,000 more votes. I'd speculate that in both
polls people who had played/owned the game were more likely to respond,
and this may have shrunk the margin between the two games in playership
rate. Or, what happens if those 13,000 extra voters in the FFVII poll
vote in the CT poll? Which option do you think they will vote for? --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 11/25/2008 8:53:43 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, and FFVII sold millions compared to something like 200,000 for CT on SNES. CT sold over 2 million on the SNES. Also, I think that if an FFVII remake does happen this generation it will also come out for the 360 which would give the game a new audience. Square-Enix has stated that it's tough this gen to only release a game (especially the kind they make aka huge budget titles) for only one system and make a good return on it which is why an FFVII remake would likely come out for the 360 as well, just like FFXIII is. If an FFVII remake came out on PS3 and 360, and was well received of course, I'd take Cloud over Link. Has anyone pondered this possibility? --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://www.mafia2game.com/community/wallpaper/wall_2_1024x640.jpg |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 11/25/2008 8:54:18 PM | message detail |
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The difference between a CT port and FFVII remake is that FFVII belongs
to a franchise that is more well known by all generations, because that
series still makes games. People will be more inclined to play a remake
of FFVII after playing their first FF, XII. Uh yeah okay reading that again it doesnt make as much sense and you CT fanboys have been arguing for God knows how long so this has probably already come up. Left 4 Dead 2008 champ --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~AS FastFalcon ate me for breakfast |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 11/25/2008 8:54:57 PM | message detail |
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Just realized you were probably referring to US sales for Chrono Trigger so ignore what I said. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://www.mafia2game.com/community/wallpaper/wall_2_1024x640.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 8:55:22 PM | message detail |
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Obviously or I would not have quoted you, redsox777. Then I'm sure you'll recognize that it's a terrible reason to believe an FFVII remake would boost FFVII more than CTDS boosts CT because FFVII is a more popular game than CT. There are reasons why it would do more, namely that it would be an extremely hyped full remake on a home console instead of a port on a handheld, but the fact that FFVII is more popular now is not one of them. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 11/25/2008 8:56:16 PM | message detail |
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woah woah woah let me get this straight. You think more people like Chrono Trigger than FFVII. Okay then. --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~AS FastFalcon ate me for breakfast |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 8:57:27 PM | message detail |
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No one has been arguing that CT is more popular than FFVII. I've been
saying FFVII is more popular than CT, and that is why CTDS has more
potential for a boost. --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/25/2008 8:58:59 PM | message detail |
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that's a slippery slope. next you'll argue that a FF8 port means more
than a CT port because it's not as popular. who knows where we go from
there. FF9 remake -- huge boost for Zidane! --- xyzzy blah blah blah Fastfalcon blah blah blah Solid Snake blah blah blah Guru Contest blah |
| ZFS | Posted 11/25/2008 8:59:24 PM | message detail |
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There's no reason to be even be discussing what a FFVII Remake boost
would or wouldn't do, really. It's one of those things that isn't going
to happen any time soon, if it ever does. The more relevant discussion
is CTDS's realistic impact on CT and its characters instead of FFVII remake boost vs. CTDS boost. --- Flippers for Sale |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 11/25/2008 9:02:23 PM | message detail |
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CTDS will probably just stop the declining popularity of CT and its
characters for a year or two. It might bring a small boost but not
enough where it matches the strength it (and its characters) had in
2004. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://www.mafia2game.com/community/wallpaper/wall_2_1024x640.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 11/25/2008 9:06:35 PM | message detail |
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Hey the DS ended at 70.05% pretty good --- Flippers for Sale |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/25/2008 9:09:55 PM | message detail |
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That poll is meaningless, anyway. Everyone knows that an FF7 remake
will sell, but will it generate new voters? To me, that poll is
basically asking "Do you like FF7 or not?" FF7's audience is pretty
much maxed out; an FF7 remake will not reach many new gamers, as most
of its consumers have already played the original. I'm pretty sure we've seen this logic rejected so thoroughly over the years that it's begun to take on the form of trolling, at best. At worst, it's pretty much just blind idiocy. Still looking for any evidence for the so-called "Nintendo-deboost" this year, other than the Squall vs Sora vs Yoshi vs Fox anomaly. Then you'll be looking elsewhere, as few here are going to indulge your agenda-driven contention of the obvious. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MetricTrout | Posted 11/25/2008 9:10:33 PM | message detail |
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Actually, there is a scenario where I would definitely be wrong. An FF7 remake (or port) could boost FF7 more than CT... if it appeared on a Nintendo console. It would definitely boost FF7 like hell if it was a Nintendo exclusive, but that will not happen. This makes sense if you think about it. Where do most of FF7's anti-votes come from? Nintendo fans, right? Nintendo fans have every right to hate FF7, because it is the flagship game from the Sony Playstation, their rival in probably the relevant bitter console war right now. The N64 vs Playstation war generates far more emotion than the SNES vs Genesis console war right now, due to the fact that Sega just rolled over and died, Sony is still going strong... OK, ignore the "strong" part. An FF7 remake on a Nintendo system would be like Square extending an olive branch to Nintendo fans. Plus, there is a group of people who purchase Nintendo consoles exclusively. FF7 would reach a large, untapped market with a remake in that case, and it would boost the game then tremendously. |
| Gaddswell | Posted 11/25/2008 9:13:04 PM | message detail |
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1st fully off season topic! Got PSP? Yes, I have one of the slim models 16.14% 257 Yes, I still have my original PSP 24.94% 397 Not yet, but I think I'll get one for Christmas 4.21% 67 No, I'm happy with my DS 34.55% 550 No, I don't play portable games 20.16% 321 TOTAL VOTES 1592 I know it's the power hour still, but that's quite a fair chunk of DS only folks! --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u205/MapleMasta/IkeClimbers2.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDaGWrPcjb8 |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/25/2008 9:17:22 PM | message detail |
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that's a slippery slope. next you'll argue that a FF8 port means
more than a CT port because it's not as popular. who knows where we go
from there. FF9 remake -- huge boost for Zidane! Well, FFIVDS boosted FFIV characters more than Brawl or Twilight Princess boosted Zelda characters. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. As is FastFalcon |
| transience | Posted 11/25/2008 9:18:02 PM | message detail |
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I see today's poll is missing the 'nah, I don't want one' option yet again --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| transience | Posted 11/25/2008 9:19:36 PM | message detail |
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I knew someone would bring up FF4DS - we have literally nothing by
which to gauge their previous performances. unless you want to compare
Cecil's R1 match to his tripling at the hands of Kirby, where he didn't
really look much different at all. time for FF5DS which will boost Bartz to Noble Nine levels --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| Gaddswell | Posted 11/25/2008 9:20:11 PM | message detail |
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I wonder how much the Dissidia boost will affect Cecil, Terra, Squall, Zidane, and Tidus. --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u205/MapleMasta/IkeClimbers2.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDaGWrPcjb8 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/25/2008 9:20:15 PM | message detail |
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The only FF4 character we had even seen before FF4DS was Cecil, and he
looked like crap - sure, ZackFAQs, but we can't draw any beneficial
conclusions from that. Kain and Rydia were both unknowns, with the
latter pretty much serving as the posterchild proof of TJF than any
strength of FF4. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/25/2008 9:21:36 PM | message detail |
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FF9 remake -- huge boost for Zidane! Considering FF9 has one of the worst playrates of any of the FF games, yes, that would be a pretty good boost for Zidane. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 11/25/2008 9:21:49 PM | message detail |
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that's a slippery slope. next you'll argue that a FF8 port means
more than a CT port because it's not as popular. who knows where we go
from there. FF9 remake -- huge boost for Zidane! What? FF8 is way more popular than CT, and FF9 probably is as well. According to Wikipedia. FF8 sold 4.45 million outside Japan, and FF9 sold 2.29 million. CT sold 290,000. Less than 7% of FF8. Recognition is the measure of popularity. Just because a small, vocal minority does not like FF8 or FF9 does not make them less popular, as a lot more people like these games. More people are going than be exposed to CT with a port or remake than any 3D FF game. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/25/2008 9:22:23 PM | message detail |
| KH is right. We can't draw any conclusions about
FF4DS and its effect on its characters. I doubt they would've even made
the cut without it. --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness FastFalcon sure showed us his moves in the Guru Contest! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/25/2008 9:22:27 PM | message detail |
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And... Dissidia? I was wondering what that might do for any of the FF
characters, until I saw it was a PSP-exclusive. Unless it catches fire
and does for its characters what CC (presumably) did for Zack, I'd be
more interested in what it boosts PSP ownership by than any individual
character boosts it might create. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/25/2008 9:23:18 PM | message detail |
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Dissidia is way too much of an ensemble cast to do anything except maybe slightly boost characters like Kefka and Zidane. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 9:24:07 PM | message detail |
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Since you threw it out there, yes, I'd expect an FF9 remake to boost
its characters more proportionally than an FF7 remake, if the games
were equally well received and received the same amount of hype from
Square. Comparing CT to FF8 is not quite the same thing because
although CT is more popular on Gamefaqs, FF8 probably has higher
playership. I'd also expect an FF7 remake to do much more for Cloud
than whatever the next mainline Zelda game does for Link, or what
Galaxy did for Mario (looks like nothing as of now). --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 11/25/2008 9:30:40 PM | message detail |
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Again, that's not the right way to think about it. The stronger you
are, the less a game will boost you. That's why someone like Gordon
Freeman was able to boost ~14% on BL from a couple decently popular (on
GF) games, while TP and Brawl couldn't do nearly as much for Link. Or, to put it another way, it's why Sora boosted 28.93% from Kingdom Hearts while Cloud only boosted 7%. >_> --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. As is FastFalcon |
| transience | Posted 11/25/2008 9:39:46 PM | message detail |
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Or, to put it another way, it's why Sora boosted 28.93% from Kingdom Hearts while Cloud only boosted 7%. >_> this is kind of a silly argument, but if Cloud can boost 7%, shouldn't everyone else have risen even more? like, shouldn't Squall have boosted like 10-15%? ..not that we can tell how much Squall boosted, but that's just crazy talk if you think it did that much. let's put Crono into Kingdom Hearts -- dude could probably beat Solid Snake! --- xyzzy "I hope you are this idiot only in the internet ^__^" -linkhatesganon |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/25/2008 9:42:52 PM | message detail |
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Hey hey hey now why are we talking about getting the mute into Kay
Aitch when the series has a much bigger problem of being deficient in
Solid Snake Seriously Snake's stronger than Cloud 2k2 KINGDOM HEARTS WOULD MEAN CONTEST DOMINANCE do it Squeenix --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 9:45:32 PM | message detail |
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Well, you know, Squall did almost get doubled by Snake in 2002......I
find it hard to attribute Cloud/Squall's 2003 boosts solely to KH too,
though. And what exactly would be so impossible about Crono beating Snake after appearing in KH3? He was above Snake before Snake appeared in Brawl. Why wouldn't it be possible for KH3 to do as much for him as Brawl did for Snake? --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 11/25/2008 9:58:00 PM | message detail |
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'lol' Brawl doing much of anything for Snake. It worked so well for everyone else in Brawl --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~AS FastFalcon ate me for breakfast |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/25/2008 10:01:06 PM | message detail |
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I knew Snake 2k6 was all Portable Ops hype --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| KommunistKoala | Posted 11/25/2008 10:01:27 PM | message detail |
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damn right --- sometimes when i play tetris and nobody is home i make male genitals out of the blocks and pleasure myself~AS FastFalcon ate me for breakfast |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 8:30:00 AM | message detail |
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...What in the world is going on here? --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/26/2008 8:36:34 AM | message detail |
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We shifted from FFVII vs. OOT to hyping massive boosts for Crono and
Snake based on games that haven't yet been announced that probably
won't feature them. Watch out Clinkeroth! --- Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 8:41:32 AM | message detail |
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Still not finding a Crono or Samus value I like very much! For now, I'm
using what Samus got on Cloud last year as a base, but I have a feeling
that might be controversial once you guys see the stats! --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 9:08:09 AM | message detail |
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Argh, now I don't know what to do with Mario! His group is going to be
uber overrated if I leave them where I have them now. I don't want to
give Mario his raw stat on Link though because there's no way that's
right either. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 10:30:56 AM | message detail |
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Okay, these are very preliminary, but... Final Contest Stats 1. Classic Link – 50.00% 2. Cloud Strife – 47.28% 3. Sephiroth – 46.17% 4. Solid Snake – 40.79% 5. Mario – 40.02% 6. Samus Aran – 38.89% 7. Crono – 36.26% 8. Vincent Valentine – 36.24% 9. Squall Leonhart – 35.64% 10. Mega Man – 35.52% 11. Auron – 35.46% 12. Bowser – 35.03% 13. Luigi – 35.01% 14. Tifa Lockhart – 34.75% 15. Kirby – 34.62% 16. Sora – 34.34% 17. Mega Man X – 34.27% 18. Sonic the Hedgehog – 33.09% 19. Dante Sparda – 32.27% 20. Liquid Snake – 32.10% 21. L-Block – 31.85% 22. Weighted Companion Cube – 31.69% 23. Princess Zelda – 31.45% 24. Big Boss – 31.43% 25. Zack Fair – 30.94% 26. Master Chief – 30.88% 27. Leon Kennedy – 30.72% 28. Mudkip – 30.27% 29. Yoshi – 30.24% 30. Pikachu – 29.90% 31. Ganondorf – 29.54% 32. Ryu – 29.28% 33. Ryu Hayabusa – 27.29% 34. Tidus – 27.28% 35. Knuckles the Echidna – 27.25% 36. Kratos – 27.22% 37. Fox McCloud – 27.18% 38. Zero – 26.88% 39. Raiden – 26.87% 40. Vivi Orunitia – 26.62% 41. Sub-Zero – 26.39% 42. Wario – 26.34% 43. Alucard – 26.01% 44. Chris Redfield – 26.00% 45. Frog – 25.78% 46. Riku – 25.56% 47. Gordon Freeman – 25.47% 48. Kain Highwind – 25.22% 49. Meta Knight – 24.42% 50. Mewtwo – 24.28% 51. Phoenix Wright – 24.27% 52. Ike – 23.65% 53. Midna – 23.45% 54. Amaterasu – 23.16% 55. Marth – 23.14% 56. Captain Falcon – 23.10% 57. Roxas – 22.76% 58. KOS-MOS – 22.29% 59. Duke Nukem – 21.91% 60. Donkey Kong – 21.85% 61. Arthas Menethil – 21.81% 62. Rydia – 21.76% 63. Altair – 21.70% 64. Sandbag – 21.59% 65. Scorpion – 21.56% 66. Magus – 21.50% 67. CD-I Link – 21.39% 68. Nightmare – 21.38% 69. Ratchet – 21.04% 70. Fei Fong Wong – 20.63% 71. Lloyd Irving – 20.58% 72. Marcus Fenix – 20.57% 73. Niko Bellic – 20.17% 74. Falco Lombardi – 19.61% 75. Kefka – 19.58% 76. Crash Bandicoot – 19.01% 77. Pac-Man – 18.99% 78. Toon Link – 18.84% 79. Geno – 18.79% 80. Jill Valentine – 18.78% 81. Zidane Tribal – 18.56% 82. Balthier Bunansa – 18.42% 83. Revolver Ocelot – 18.12% 84. Diddy Kong – 18.07% 85. CATS – 18.03% 86. The Dog – 17.98% 87. Nero – 17.70% 88. Commander Shepard – 17.64% 89. Siegfried Schtauffen – 17.45% 90. Miles “Tails” Prower – 17.32% 91. Spy – 17.02% 92. Deckard Cain – 17.01% 93. Kratos Aurion – 16.92% 94. Shadow the Hedgehog – 16.70% 95. Big Daddy – 16.67% 96. Nana – 16.60% 97. Cecil Harvey – 16.58% 98. Frank West – 16.34% 99. Hogger – 16.23% 100. GlaDOS – 16.14% 101. Ramza Beoulve – 16.14% 102. Miles Edgeworth – 16.10% 103. Neku Sakuraba – 15.97% 104. Albert Wesker – 15.92% 105. Laharl – 15.92% 106. Pit – 15.60% 107. Ness – 14.78% 108. Captain MacMillan – 14.76% 109. Lucario – 14.76% 110. King DeDeDe – 14.65% 111. Isaac – 14.18% 112. Heavy – 14.01% 113. Sackboy – 13.18% 114. Jinjo – 13.16% 115. Travis Touchdown – 12.67% 116. Professor Layton – 12.56% 117. Tom Nook – 12.34% 118. Sho Minamimoto – 11.88% 119. Banjo – 11.42% 120. Axel Steel – 10.61% 121. Raz – 10.60% 122. Guybrush Threepwood – 10.51% 123. Captain Olimar – 10.16% 124. Tim – 9.87% 125. Nathan Drake – 9.42% 126. Kaim Argonar – 9.28% 127. Luke fon Fabre – 9.16% 128. Young Link – 9.07% 129. Lucas – 8.41% 130. Wander – 7.48% 131. Jade Curtiss – 7.25% --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 10:35:13 AM | message detail |
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To answer some initial questions: I calculated Cloud by figuring out his percentage against Solid Snake in the last match after Snake got his peak lead, and then I calculated it compared to what Snake got on Link directly (45.18%). Confused? Well, yeah. I calculated Sephiroth through Kirby. It's probably not entirely accurate, but hey, it's probably not TOO far off either. I calculated Samus through her match with Cloud last year, and I calculated Mario through his first match with Sephiroth (since the second had Link in it, though it's not far off either way). I actually calculated Crono and Vincent based off of the final of Division 4, not the quarterfinal match with Crono and Vincent both in it. If I did that, Crono and Vinny end up right around where Luigi and Bowser are now. I didn't agree with that, so... Yeah, the stats are likely wildly inaccurate in several places, particularly Mario's division. Way too much LFF to get ANYTHING conclusive from it. Any recommendations or questions as to how I came to a particular number, feel free to ask. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 10:35:45 AM | message detail |
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Mario's first match with Sephiroth LAST year, I should say. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/26/2008 10:40:19 AM | message detail |
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That's the big problem with the Mario deboost theory. Too much SFF in
division 2 to draw any accurate conclusions from it. The only
characters that were not aligned with Nintendo in that division were
Roxas, Sho, Deckard Cain, and Liquid Snake. --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness FastFalcon sure showed us his moves in the Guru Contest! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/26/2008 10:41:59 AM | message detail |
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Also, I don't particularly like where Ganondorf ended up, but I didn't know what else to do with him. --- FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy? http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/26/2008 12:43:44 PM | message detail |
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Why is Bowser higher than Luigi? Why are they both so high anyway? Phoenix Wright seems too high. Going off of his R1 performance, Zidane seems too low. Isaac and Lucario are both way too low. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 11/26/2008 2:41:09 PM | message detail |
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This just crossed my mind for whatever reason. Have we ever explored some form of "Badass Factor"? --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. ALLEN LIED! PEOPLE LOST THEIR ABILITY TO CONTEST! |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 11/26/2008 2:43:13 PM | message detail |
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I don't think it's been "explored" but people mention it from time to time. --- What's quicker than an Ocelot? A FastFalcon http://www.mafia2game.com/community/wallpaper/wall_2_1024x640.jpg |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 11/26/2008 2:50:17 PM | message detail |
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I'm just saying, I've been looking at Ryu H.'s contest history, and he
always seems to bomb out on token badasses. (Barring Sora) --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. ALLEN LIED! PEOPLE LOST THEIR ABILITY TO CONTEST! |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 11/26/2008 2:55:13 PM | message detail |
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Also, I stumbled upon the Ness vs CJ 2005 write up on the wiki, and it hit me. You rarely see strong, confident, well-mannered and well-spoken black characters in games. Dudley for SC2k9! --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. ALLEN LIED! PEOPLE LOST THEIR ABILITY TO CONTEST! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 11/26/2008 3:02:51 PM | message detail |
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That's the big problem with the Mario deboost theory. Too much SFF in division 2 to draw any accurate conclusions from it. But you don't even NEED Division 2, though it's nice (hi Liquid Snake). Yoshi pulling one of the biggest bombs we've ever seen is enough corroborating evidence on that end. I'm just saying, I've been looking at Ryu H.'s contest history, and he always seems to bomb out on token badasses. (Barring Sora) You're looking too deeply into it. Ryu H's bomb against Sora was one part Sora being massively underrated, one part him having an absolutely ghastly picture. Other than that, he's performed fine against Zero both times (Zero USED to be a near-elite back in the day), and his underperformance against Dante is likely more attributable to their genres than their designs (DMC and NG are pretty much the same games), although their similarities also help a ton. That only leaves Solid Snake, which, the format aside, I would think is a special case. Could you really see characters like Dante, Kratos, and other next-gen badasses perform up to snuff against Snake mano-a-mano? --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
