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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 643

LeonhartFour | Posted 11/21/2008 5:05:23 PM | message detail
And now, one of the moments you've all been waiting for!

Final Contest Raw Stats

1. Classic Link – 50.00%
2. Solid Snake – 45.18%
3. Big Boss – 44.24%
4. Cloud Strife – 43.88%
5. Kirby – 38.35%
6. Zack Fair – 34.08%
7. Mario – 33.72%
8. Sephiroth – 31.07%
9. Samus Aran – 30.30%
10. Weighted Companion Cube – 29.98%
11. Mega Man X – 29.95%
12. Mega Man – 29.85%
13. Liquid Snake – 27.05%
14. Raiden – 26.96%
15. Crono – 26.64%
16. Vincent Valentine – 26.60%
17. Princess Zelda – 26.50%
18. Tidus – 26.36%
19. Mudkip – 25.51%
20. Vivi Orunitia – 25.34%
21. Pikachu – 24.73%
22. Donkey Kong – 23.91%
23. Squall Leonhart – 23.52%
24. L-Block – 23.40%
25. Knuckles the Echidna – 22.96%
26. Sora – 22.84%
27. Ryu – 22.71%
28. Zidane Tribal – 22.56%
29. Mewtwo – 22.54%
30. Sonic the Hedgehog – 22.26%
31. Ike – 22.08%
32. Luigi – 22.06%
33. Zero – 21.96%
34. Duke Nukem – 21.91%
35. Midna – 21.76%
36. Captain Falcon – 21.58%
37. CD-I Link – 21.39%
38. Arthas Menethil – 20.45%
39. Shadow the Hedgehog – 20.30%
40. Tifa Lockhart – 20.23%
41. Yoshi – 19.97%
42. Ganondorf – 19.85%
43. Fox McCloud – 19.84%
44. Bowser – 19.69%
45. Gordon Freeman – 19.27%
46. Auron – 19.21%
47. Alucard – 19.11%
48. Dante Sparda – 18.96%
49. Meta Knight – 18.94%
50. Pac-Man – 18.84%
51. Ryu Hayabusa – 18.84%
52. Toon Link – 18.84%
53. Altair – 18.82%
54. Marth – 18.71%
55. Kratos – 18.50%
56. Cecil Harvey – 18.27%
57. Master Chief – 18.14%
58. Phoenix Wright – 17.63%
59. Fei Fong Wong – 17.39%
60. Chris Redfield – 17.16%
61. Nero – 17.11%
62. Diddy Kong – 16.88%
63. Miles “Tails” Prower – 16.73%
64. Nightmare – 16.66%
65. Wario – 16.58%
66. Lloyd Irving – 16.26%
67. Niko Bellic – 16.25%
68. Leon Kennedy – 16.17%
69. Spy – 15.97%
70. Scorpion – 15.83%
71. Kratos Aurion – 15.80%
72. Kefka – 15.78%
73. Miles Edgeworth – 14.95%
74. Crash Bandicoot – 14.82%
75. Albert Wesker – 14.77%
76. Jinjo – 14.58%
77. Kain Highwind – 14.54%
78. Lucario – 14.44%
79. Falco Lombardi – 14.40%
80. Roxas – 14.34%
81. Sub-Zero – 14.29%
82. Frog – 14.13%
83. Isaac – 13.87%
84. Ness – 13.77%
85. Riku – 13.54%
86. Balthier Bunansa – 13.52%
87. Amaterasu – 13.50%
88. The Dog – 13.21%
89. Jill Valentine – 12.64%
90. Ratchet – 12.25%
91. Big Daddy – 12.23%
92. Sackboy – 12.23%
93. KOS-MOS – 12.22%
94. Revolver Ocelot – 12.20%
95. Frank West – 12.01%
96. CATS – 11.90%
97. GlaDOS – 11.84%
98. Commander Shepard – 11.80%
99. Travis Touchdown – 11.79%
100. Rydia – 10.83%
101. Pit – 10.77%
102. Geno – 10.56%
103. Hogger – 10.55%
104. Ramza Beoulve – 10.50%
105. Laharl – 10.36%
106. Marcus Fenix – 10.24%
107. King DeDeDe – 10.12%
108. Sandbag – 9.91%
109. Magus – 9.86%
110. Axel Steel – 9.85%
111. Tom Nook – 9.75%
112. Siegfried Schtauffen – 9.72%
113. Nana – 9.67%
114. Banjo – 9.64%
115. Deckard Cain – 9.56%
116. Lucas – 9.31%
117. Luke fon Fabre – 9.16%
118. Guybrush Threepwood – 9.11%
119. Young Link – 9.07%
120. Neku Sakuraba – 8.75%
121. Captain Olimar – 8.59%
122. Raz – 8.26%
123. Captain MacMillan – 8.22%
124. Jade Curtiss – 7.98%
125. Heavy – 7.96%
126. Sho Minamimoto – 7.49%
127. Professor Layton – 7.37%
128. Kaim Argonar – 6.83%
129. Tim – 6.51%
130. Nathan Drake – 6.22%
131. Wander – 5.49%

I did raw stats first because they're much easier to do, just straight extrapolation. Also decided to add all forms of Link from the Bonus Poll here just for kicks.
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FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/21/2008 5:06:19 PM | message detail
14. Raiden – 26.96%
15. Crono – 26.64%


i don't know what to think of this
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FastFalcon is in my sig. How can this be.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/21/2008 5:06:53 PM | message detail
It's amazing at the sheer amount of SFF/LFF in this bracket. Only 20 characters break 25% on Link, only 40 break 20%, only 72 break 15%.
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FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy?
http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/21/2008 5:07:22 PM | message detail
i don't know what to think of this

Spin spin spin, Raiden!
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FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy?
http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif
red sox 777 | Posted 11/21/2008 5:08:09 PM | message detail
Crono got destroyed in the finals, sadly. Fortunately, Zack beats Mario, Samus, and Sephiroth!
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon
WalrusJump | Posted 11/21/2008 5:09:04 PM | message detail
34. Duke Nukem – 21.91%
35. Midna – 21.76%
36. Captain Falcon – 21.58%
37. CD-I Link – 21.39%
38. Arthas Menethil – 20.45%
39. Shadow the Hedgehog – 20.30%
40. Tifa Lockhart – 20.23%
41. Yoshi – 19.97%
42. Ganondorf – 19.85%


lol wut
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FastFalcon is a better person than me because of Solid Snake or something.
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/21/2008 5:10:58 PM | message detail
For the record, Zack gets 38.83% on Cloud, 60.97% on Vincent, 70.32% on Tifa, and 54.42% on Sephiroth.

ZackFAQs indeed
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FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy?
http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif
Master Moltar | Posted 11/21/2008 5:11:06 PM | message detail
Snake, BB and Kirby in the top 5 is probably the only good thing about those stats
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Moltar Status: in 'save us games contest' mode
all hail FastFalcon the king of the guru
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/21/2008 5:11:21 PM | message detail
CD-I Link > Ganondorf humors me greatly, by the way.
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FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy?
http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif
red sox 777 | Posted 11/21/2008 5:13:02 PM | message detail
But we all know CD-I Link would beat everyone in the field but himself....er....Link!
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/21/2008 5:13:56 PM | message detail
3. Big Boss – 44.24%
4. Cloud Strife – 43.88%

28. Zidane Tribal – 22.56%
30. Sonic the Hedgehog – 22.26%

31. Ike – 22.08%
32. Luigi – 22.06%
36. Captain Falcon – 21.58%
37. CD-I Link – 21.39%
41. Yoshi – 19.97%

beautiful

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FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't.
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/21/2008 5:15:31 PM | message detail
The sad thing is that Raiden is still only 4th of the 5 MGS characters this year!

Damn.
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FastFalcon is in my sig. How can this be.
http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w333/usagiaruku/1224857053726.jpg
ZFS | Posted 11/21/2008 5:17:10 PM | message detail
owned

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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/21/2008 5:23:56 PM | message detail
Look on the bright side: He beats Ocelot with 77.33%!

Seriously, that's Raiden getting SFF'd by Big Boss in the raw stats there. If I keep them both proportional to MC (Raiden in round 1 and Big Boss in round 2), then Raiden's like...equal with Cloud.
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FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy?
http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif
greatone10 | Posted 11/21/2008 5:26:36 PM | message detail
These stats are all sorts of ****ed up. Hilarious.
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Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest.
I hereby bow to FastFalcon who FastFalcon Punched my bracket.
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/21/2008 5:26:46 PM | message detail
Seriously, someone explain what happened to Ocelot. He's got to be Turd of the Contest #2 after Sonic.
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FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy?
http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/21/2008 5:27:27 PM | message detail
ReSTALLver Lossalot

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FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't.
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/21/2008 5:27:54 PM | message detail
Seriously, that's Raiden getting SFF'd by Big Boss in the raw stats there. If I keep them both proportional to MC (Raiden in round 1 and Big Boss in round 2), then Raiden's like...equal with Cloud.

my stats do not lie
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FastFalcon is in my sig. How can this be.
http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg
Mr3790 | Posted 11/21/2008 5:28:17 PM | message detail
These stats prove Link>MGS>Every thing else.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 11/21/2008 5:28:20 PM | message detail
Hand Chopped off
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FastFalcon FALCON PAWNCHED me in the Guru contest.
Ted Kennedy lacked dodongos.
greatone10 | Posted 11/21/2008 5:28:36 PM | message detail
It doesn't help that Ocelot is extracted through Sephiroth, who got SFFed to utter hell thanks to Cloud.
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Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest.
I hereby bow to FastFalcon who FastFalcon Punched my bracket.
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/21/2008 5:28:43 PM | message detail
Oh man, I had forgotten about that, and I came up with it!
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FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy?
http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/21/2008 9:09:07 PM | message detail
So I tried making some real raw stats for this without adjusting anything, and it isn't much better. I only did Rounds 3-6 for now, but basically I used the match that each character went out on and extrapolated them through the winner of that match. It's a terrible idea, but whatever.

Link - 50.00%
Solid Snake - 45.18%
Cloud Strife - 43.88%
Kirby - 38.34%
Mega Man - 34.96%
Master Chief - 34.20%
Zack Fair - 34.08%
Mario - 33.72%
Sephiroth - 31.06%
Leon Kennedy - 30.47%
Samus - 30.29%
Mega Man X - 29.95%
Weighted Companion Cube - 29.22%
Vincent Valentine - 27.24%
Liquid Snake - 27.05%
Crono - 26.64%
Zero - 25.54%
Squall Leonhart - 23.54%
L-Block - 23.40%
Sora - 22.84%
Pikachu - 22.71%
Mewtwo - 22.53%
Sonic the Hedgehog - 22.26%
Luigi - 22.06%
Duke Nukem - 21.90%
Gordon Freeman - 20.50%
Ganondorf - 19.83%
Auron - 19.21%
Alucard - 19.11%
Dante - 18.95%
Altair - 18.82%
Kratos - 18.31%
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FastFalcon is in my sig. How can this be.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/Saturn.gif
MartrebnoR | Posted 11/21/2008 9:11:28 PM | message detail
Interesting to say the least.
Lopen | Posted 11/21/2008 10:23:48 PM | message detail
Kirby at 5. Raiden at 14.

Raw awesomeness.
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FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead.
Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon.
greatone10 | Posted 11/21/2008 10:30:51 PM | message detail
Vincent Valentine - 27.24%
Liquid Snake - 27.05%
Crono - 26.64%

lol
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Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest.
I hereby bow to FastFalcon who FastFalcon Punched my bracket.
Gaddswell | Posted 11/21/2008 10:33:01 PM | message detail
21. Pikachu – 24.73%
22. Donkey Kong – 23.91%
23. Squall Leonhart – 23.52%
24. L-Block – 23.40%
25. Knuckles the Echidna – 22.96%
26. Sora – 22.84%
27. Ryu – 22.71%
28. Zidane Tribal – 22.56%
29. Mewtwo – 22.54%
30. Sonic the Hedgehog – 22.26%

Yes
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/21/2008 10:52:05 PM | message detail
37. CD-I Link – 21.39%
38. Arthas Menethil – 20.45%


Score.
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FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it?
...I don't want to talk about it.
HaRRicH | Posted 11/21/2008 11:41:45 PM | message detail
So we're over two hours into the latest "Got ___?" series of polls and we're not talking about it yet?

The PS3's not improved a whole lot since the last time. It looks like it's jumped from ~32% in August to currently 35..37%...which is good for the PS3, but not if MGS4 wants a shot at GotY this year. Also, 35.46% still doesn't want one despite the big price drops, the increase in big-name titles this year, and Christmas being about a month away...which is about the same as June's 35.45% pre-MGS4. Take it as you will.
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FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it?
...I don't want to talk about it.
satai_delenn | Posted 11/22/2008 11:18:20 AM | message detail
ReSTALLver Lossalot

It's not getting less funny the more times I see it. XD

Oh man, x-stat hilarity.

3. Big Boss – 44.24%
4. Cloud Strife – 43.88%


wut

6. Zack Fair – 34.08%
7. Mario – 33.72%
8. Sephiroth – 31.07%
9. Samus Aran – 30.30%


yesssss

14. Raiden – 26.96%
15. Crono – 26.64%


I love it.

22. Donkey Kong – 23.91%
23. Squall Leonhart – 23.52%


...oh god, seriously? What an insult to Squall.

28. Zidane Tribal – 22.56%
...
30. Sonic the Hedgehog – 22.26%


I don't think I ever in a million years thought I'd see that. XD

52. Toon Link – 18.84%
...
57. Master Chief – 18.14%


Haha~
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My Contest Hero: Zack Fair
Winner, speeds by, FastFalcon the Guru...
Lopen | Posted 11/22/2008 11:48:57 AM | message detail
Oh yeah, satai, I can do that too !!

119. Young Link – 9.07%
120. Neku Sakuraba – 8.75%

124. Jade Curtiss – 7.98%
126. Sho Minamimoto – 7.49%

76. Jinjo – 14.58%
85. Riku – 13.54%

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
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FastFalcon's quest to defeat Lopen: Round - blagh I am dead.
Target: 467+. Target obtained and shattered damn you FastFalcon.
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/22/2008 1:13:48 PM | message detail
I could've tweaked Tidus to make him nearly as strong as Mega Man!
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FastFalcon is without a doubt the best Guru I've ever heard of, savvy?
http://qirien.icecavern.net/final_fantasy/icons/squall_bunnysuit.gif
Gaddswell | Posted 11/22/2008 1:16:15 PM | message detail
Go ahead! I'd like to see Tidus > Crono!
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/22/2008 10:06:04 PM | message detail
Got Wii?
Yes, I just got one this year 10.36% 885
Yes, I've had mine since before this year 53.65% 4583
Not yet, but I think I'll get one for Christmas 2.9% 248
No, every time I want to buy it I can't find one 3.18% 272
No, I don't want one right now 29.9% 2554
TOTAL VOTES 8542

Nice start for the Wii today.



Yesterday's results

Got PS3?
Yes, I just got one this year 13.74% 15186
Yes, I've had mine since before this year 20.16% 22279
Not yet, but I think I'll get one for Christmas 5.94% 6566
No, it's too expensive for me 24.99% 27621
No, I don't want one right now 35.17% 38868
TOTAL VOTES 110520

33.9% of the site owns a PS3 now. Still an improvement over what it got last time!
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Hail FastFalcon, our new guru overlord!
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 11/22/2008 10:27:33 PM | message detail
22. Donkey Kong – 23.91%
23. Squall Leonhart – 23.52%


Finally the Raw comes through for once!
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FastFalcon FALCON PAWNCHED me in the Guru contest.
Ted Kennedy lacked dodongos.
Ngamer64 | Posted 11/23/2008 12:06:54 AM | message detail
Cover your eyes, CS&Ders! Ngamer is rolling in with mass stats.


Average 2008 Guru Score: 501 pts
Average 2008 Sitewide Score: 297 pts
* Gurus win by 204 pts!
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2008 Guru Prediction Accuracy - 78.62%
2008 Sitewide Prediction Accuracy - 60.11%
* Gurus win by 18.50%!

Compare that to

2007 Guru Prediction Accuracy - 76.71%
2007 Sitewide Prediction Accuracy - 59.64%
* Gurus win by 17.07%

For prediction accuracy I judge it by how many picks had a character advancing to the next round correctly. So for instance let's say a result was Link over Kirby over two others. If 55% of us picked Link for first and 45% of us had him for second, and 0% of us picked Kirby to place, then we had 100% for Link and 0% for Kirby. Soooo, a 50% average.

I like this system because we're able to discount how so many casual brackets don't realize that placement matters. Also, it lets us make a more true comparison between preds for these brackets and the 1v1s of the past. Speaking of which!

Overall this was the second most difficult bracket in site history. The five hardest Contests site-wide have been

1. Characters '07 - 59.64%
2. Characters '08 - 60.11%
3. Characters '06 - 62.34%
4. Characters '02 - 63.50%
5. Characters '05 - 63.54%

While the five hardest for the Gurus have been

1. Characters '07 - 76.71%
2. Characters '08 - 78.62%
3. Characters '06 - 82.84%
4. Characters '05 - 83.05%
5. Villains '05 - 84.44%

For more info check the full wiki article on the subject!

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Most_Unpredictable_Contests

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thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon!
(thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat)
Ngamer64 | Posted 11/23/2008 12:08:57 AM | message detail
But the thing that's most fun to look at IMO is the Most Embarrassing Results, aka the times that the casual bracketmakers straight up outpredict us Guru experts! Last season we were outguessed by the casuals a shocking 24 times- this time around we were a little older and wiser, managing to only be outdone 20 times. Still kind of sad! Since there are a total of 126 "results" per season, that means our overall records have been

Gurus vs Casuals 2007
* Gurus win, 102-24 [.810]

Gurus vs Casuals 2008
* Gurus win, 106-20 [.841]

HOWEVER, that's not the full story! Even though we were beaten more often last year, the majority of those were pretty close matches- during L-Block's run, for instance, we were made to look like fools 5 times, but honestly the casuals weren't a whole lot smarter. Less then 1% of them had him finishing in the top two overall, and heck, less than 5% even had him make it out of Round Two! Despite losing 24 times in '07 we only suffered 7 "bad" loses, aka of over 25%. This year we fell on our face much more often, suffering 10 of those humiliating defeats! They were:

* Pac-Man (R1) - 40.25% vs Mewtwo/Ness/Travis in 2008
* Duke Nukem (R1) - 36.23% vs Marth/Niko/Kefka in 2008
* Jill Valentine (R1) - 34.18% vs Kratos/Ocelot/Heavy in 2008
* Captain Falcon (R1) - 33.46% vs Alucard/Diddy/Kratos A in 2008
* Gordon Freeman (R2) - 28.93% vs Vincent/Scorpion/Falco in 2008
* Zidane (R1) - 28.87% vs Link/Shadow/Luke in 2008
* L-Block (R2) - 28.84% vs Crono/Ryu/Amaterasu in 2008
* Sora (R2) - 27.19% vs Squall/Yoshi/Fox in 2008
* Altair (R2) - 26.38% vs Duke/Marth/Lucario in 2008
* Weighted Companion Cube (R1) - 26.30% vs Tidus/DK/Tails in 2008

Pac-Man was brutal- why in the world did we have so much faith in Ness, even with Mewtwo there? The Duke win was awful as well- it seems we've never going to learn not to expect good things from Kefka and/or GTA. I can't really fault us for the Jill mistake- between last year's result and MGS4, the Ocelot loss made ZERO sense.

Falcon, eh, I can't blame us for that too much... how could we have known Diddy would fall below WARIO on the Nintendo totem pole? And even if that was the case, Kratos A ought to have been able to hold off Nintendo LFF better than he did. I still say Gordon's rise was way out of left field, but I DO call us foolish for not giving Zidane any kind of chance against Shadow.

L-Block, eh... we had anti-joke hope blinders on heading into the year, I'm just happy that he and the Cube didn't burn us more often. The Sora result I have to let slide- there's no way he should have survived that match between Squall SFF and having a serious threat like Yoshi there to eat him up. Altair was a mistake on our part; even before the Lucario flop we should have given him more credit due to what was sure to be Marth/Luc Smash LFF. And bah to the Cube!

You can check out the full listing of embarrassing matches out on the wiki, if you're so inclined.

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Most_Embarrassing_Results

And if you're a very strange person and would like to dig deeper with these prediction numbers, every result of every match ever is laid out for you on the very cool "allstats" Excel sheet that's up on my site, so dive in if you get the urge.

http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/AllStats.xls

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thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon!
(thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat)
Ngamer64 | Posted 11/23/2008 12:09:52 AM | message detail
Alright! As I just said, everything's updated in terms of overall prediction percentage for every Contest, but there's another way to judge how hard a bracket was to predict- total score. This is something I've been meaning to look into for a while, so I went ahead and took care of it. I found the average score for every Contest, first for the sitewide and then just for the Gurus. Now as I mentioned above the average scores for this year were

2008 Overall: 297
2008 Gurus: 501

As it turns out, both of these are pretty solid improvements over last year

2007 Overall: 275
2008 Gurus: 452

Although we're adapting to the 4-way format at a much faster rate than the casuals are, it would seem. That big point difference makes it seems like '08 was much easier to call, but I don't really think so... as you saw the differences in match by match pred percentage were barely improved, so honestly I think you can chalk up nearly that entire 50 point gain to L-Block not ruining our brackets this time around. If some other unexpected joke had gained momentum and blindsided us the same way, like say the Cube, I bet we'd only have been a few points up on last season.

Here are the five overall toughest brackets we've seen, when considering sitewide total scores

1. Characters '07 - 35.81% (275 pts, max 768)
2. Characters '08 - 38.67% (297 pts, max 768)
3. Characters '03 - 43.75% (84 pts, max 192)
4. Characters '06 - 43.75% (105 pts, max 240)
5. Characters '02 - 44.79% (86 pts, max 192)

And the five that the Gurus had the hardest time with:

Lowest Average Point Totals- Gurus

1. Characters '07 - 58.85% (452 pts, max 768)
2. Characters '08 - 65.23% (501 pts, max 768)
3. Characters '05 - 68.98% (149 pts, max 216)
4. Characters '06 - 70.00% (168 pts, max 240)
5. Games '04 - 74.48% (143 pts, max 192)

As always, more info on the wiki if you'd like to take a gander!

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Most_Unpredictable_Contests

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thengamer.com/guru/ says we just got owned hard by FastFalcon!
(thengamer.com/xstats & board8.wikia.com are neat)
hailEC | Posted 11/23/2008 6:55:13 AM | message detail
Cool stuff, but I'd say '08 was way more difficult to predict. Granted I went from winning to an absolutely awful bracket, but I think even objectively '08 was more difficult than '07. Like you said, take out the L-Block fiasco, and you have roughly the same amount of upsets, but way more that just flat out didn't make any sense this year. As wacky as last year was, you can go back and explain away pretty much all the matches... I don't think you can explain some of the insanity that went down this contest.

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all hail ec your lord and savior
except FastFalcon, he's so legit you must bow down to his ass too.
Megaman703 | Posted 11/23/2008 7:15:25 AM | message detail
I agree as well. I think we'll look back and see 07 as the Year of the L Block, and look back at 08 and see some real noodle scratchers. Not to mention no division last year matches the craziness of Division 1, and that's a Link division for crying out loud.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 11/23/2008 7:33:49 AM | message detail
I just want a 1v1 contest again.

That said, BRING ON THE GAMES
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ALLEN LIED! PEOPLE LOST THEIR ABILITY TO CONTEST!
HaRRicH | Posted 11/23/2008 8:53:56 AM | message detail
Nice stats N!


So it looks like the Wii has gained more since August than the PS3 at this rate. The PS3 has gone from 31.38% to 33.9% while the Wii has gone from 57.44% to currently 61.05% (which I think will rise through the day)...although I don't think Nintendo's had anything worth noting since then except Wii Music.



sixty instruments boost confirmed
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FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it?
...I don't want to talk about it.
TestIcicles | Posted 11/23/2008 9:00:09 AM | message detail
back-up cowbell for SC2K9
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mmm test icicles
red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2008 9:06:16 AM | message detail
Only 61%? I'm not sure, but isn't that behind the pace of the Gamecube at this point in its life? What's really concerning for the Wii is that it looks like it isn't going to go up much further in the future as 32% of the site flat out doesn't want one.
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, your 5 time contest champion, Link, and the Guru Champion FastFalcon
HaRRicH | Posted 11/23/2008 9:46:56 AM | message detail
I would have that concern too, but less people said that about the Wii than the PS3 and 360 and the Wii already has dominating ownership, so...yeah, it won't go up much from here, but I doubt the others do either despite having lower ownership. Heck, less people say that about the Wii when the other two systems are getting FF13 in the future; that's the most anticipated game here since SSBB was released, and we haven't even seen how its anticipation is faring since its big surprise at E3. Nintendo doesn't even have any other big-name games announced right now to my knowledge and it's still keeping that number low in comparison.

I'm not too worried for the Wii there. Give it another LoZ game and a trailer...that percentage will drop a little more from users already here and more Wii-owners will come across the site. Also, the Wii is due for a price-drop at some point soon -- it's already blowing out the record for the console going the longest without its first price-drop. That will make it a bit more appealing, too.


All that said, I don't know how it compares to the Gamecube at this point.
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FastFalcon05 absolutely decimated me in the Guru challenge. How bad was it?
...I don't want to talk about it.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/23/2008 10:20:30 AM | message detail
11. Mega Man X – 29.95%
12. Mega Man – 29.85%


Whoa there
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/23/2008 10:25:02 AM | message detail
although I don't think Nintendo's had anything worth noting since then except Wii Music.

Animal Crossing !!!!!!!
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For your health.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05
satai_delenn | Posted 11/23/2008 10:30:40 AM | message detail
76. Jinjo – 14.58%
85. Riku – 13.54%


Lopen I will end you
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My Contest Hero: Zack Fair
Winner, speeds by, FastFalcon the Guru...
ffmasterjose | Posted 11/23/2008 10:42:27 AM | message detail
It's weird to see one topic not hit 500 in a day or two >_>

<3 offseason.

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The 2008 Guru Champion is FastFalcon
Seginustemple | Posted 11/23/2008 10:44:09 AM | message detail
Deckard Cain is above two Brawl competitors yesssssssssss
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