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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/25/2008 2:14:31 PM | message detail

Seeding thing is an interesting idea, but I have a feeling that you chose the wrong seedings. There's a lot of little things that bug me...biggest one being Ness=Lucas in nominations, as that's literally impossible.

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HaRRicH | Posted 11/25/2008 2:35:30 PM | message detail

Personally, I doubt Mewtwo's very strong. His performance against Midna was a big stink bomb, and he only looked good in round 1 because of a weak fourpack. It's also very obvious he only looked impressive in round 3 thanks to SFF.

1) What he did against Midna did suck, but Midna looked more like the Midna we should have seen last year this year. Otherwise, I don't see why Ness could have been doubled yet Midna hangs close to Mewtwo based off of last year.

2) There was something fishy in R2 anyway since Pac-Man did ~8% better against Mewtwo in R2 than R1. Midna certainly LFF'd him (and I'm not convinced Cloud didn't hurt him a little, though I generally concede that point)

3) Mewtwo more than doubled Ness in R1, not to mention how he held up against Bowser/Toad last year. SFF-wise, he certainly looks like he's able to do well. Who can SFF a lesser character easily, stand up to a respectable classic character's SFF, and not have much strength himself?

Yeah, his R3-performance was a matter of lucky circumstances, but I think R2 is explainable, R1 speaks more highly of him than you give credit, and there's not much wrong with his R4 performance anyway. On top of that, based on what Pikachu has done the past two years and the controversy around every match Mewtwo's been in (outside of this year's R4, which was still two NN'ers and a joke character), I don't think it's wrong to give him a little benefit of the doubt. If it wasn't for Ness, Mewtwo should have easily doubled Pac-Man in R1...which is solid for probably not SFF'ing him; Luigi barely doubled Pac in 2k4 (though today's Luigi is pretty different, granted).

Mewtwo's no power-house, nor is he Pikachu...but he's fine.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/25/2008 2:45:03 PM | message detail

Wait people are discussing whether or not the bracket had seedings? I thought this was widely agreed on since 2007.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/25/2008 2:50:15 PM | message detail

Oh, and Snake did about as well on Cloud in R4 as Mario did on Sephiroth last year, before he deboosted, so yes, I'm quite willing to say Snake gets 55% on Mario before SFF in addition to those numbers for Crono and Samus.

For what it's worth, Mario's two matches against Sephiroth last year were either Seph > Mario > BB > Fox or Link > Seph > Mario > Vincent. Either way, it's hard to expect a whole lot of accuracy there. I would probably give Mario a bit more credit there.

That said, I hadn't thought of comparing Solid/Mario like that. Using either Mario match to Solid/Cloud in R4 (or especially R5 or R6) is going to look good for Solid. I just disagree with Solid getting 55% on Mario before SFF through that comparison, plus we haven't had a single chance to fairly see him since SMG, SSBB, and MKW came out. Not once. Say what you want about his opponents and how close they got, but Mario has been sandbagged pretty heavily in each match. I'm not big on Mario being deboosted and comparing Mario/Seph last year to Solid/Cloud this year is shady.

It's possible, but I don't see fair evidence pointing to it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/25/2008 3:12:28 PM | message detail

If you want to take Mario's most optimistic, non-deboost value, he got all of 44% on Sephiroth in 2005. With Snake getting 43% on Cloud this year with Mewtwo in the match and a lot of the "anti-Cloud" votes he would have likely received going to WCC, I think you've got to say that Snake is the stronger of the two indirectly.

Besides, even if you don't want to take anything Mario did at face value - look at how Mario characters performed this year. With those kind of failures, eventually you've got to stop giving the plumber the benefit of the doubt.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/25/2008 3:33:45 PM | message detail

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HaRRicH | Posted 11/25/2008 3:37:35 PM | message detail

Oh, allow me to clarify: I've already said I would take Solid > Mario next year. I don't think there is fair evidence of it in this format that Solid gets 55% on Mario, though I agree with what you pointed out in 2k5.

I remain cautious of Mario due to awkward matches, though I favor Solid > Mario. I just don't fully get behind Solid getting 55% on Mario.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/25/2008 4:12:38 PM | message detail

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How would that go?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/25/2008 4:21:33 PM | message detail

On a side note, where's the Post-Contest Analysis? I demand one as my rights as a member of the internet clearly state.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/25/2008 4:35:17 PM | message detail

yeah what he said
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/25/2008 4:37:12 PM | message detail

Isn't KH doing one right now? I may do one as well depending whether or not I survived this week.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/25/2008 4:39:50 PM | message detail

tranny is SUPPOSED to be doing one, but he has instead opted to be lazy.

(not that I blame him, this isn't the best contest for a PCA)

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/25/2008 4:45:19 PM | message detail

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/25/2008 5:06:32 PM | message detail

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trannyscience | Posted 11/25/2008 5:08:31 PM | message detail

who needs my analysis when you've got a better writer who's biased as hell towards a character everyone in here loves?

aww yeah kay aitch
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/25/2008 5:10:48 PM | message detail

goin' all the way next year
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/25/2008 6:16:39 PM | message detail

If you want to take Mario's most optimistic, non-deboost value, he got all of 44% on Sephiroth in 2005. With Snake getting 43% on Cloud this year with Mewtwo in the match and a lot of the "anti-Cloud" votes he would have likely received going to WCC, I think you've got to say that Snake is the stronger of the two indirectly.

I'm surprised nobody's been saying it, but did anybody else get the impression of Cloud/Seph dropping off this year and last year? It seems as though Final Fantasy 7 is finally losing some steam.
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MetricTrout | Posted 11/25/2008 6:25:11 PM | message detail

FF7 characters has been declining since 2003. The FF7 spinoffs, Advent Children, and Kingdom Hearts have done a good job at slowing the decline, but like Chrono Trigger, characters who base their strength primarily from 1 game are going to slowly decline as time progresses. The only hope for FF7 right now is a remake, and even that may not be enough to put Cloud ahead of Link. I guess we will have to see how much of an impact CTDS gives its characters first, to gauge the effect of an FF7 remake.

FF7 has a difficult road ahead of it in an upcoming Games contest. I would say right now, that FF7's chances over OoT are 50/50 at best.

XxSoulxX | Posted 11/25/2008 6:36:34 PM | message detail

FF7 is still far ahead of every other game on this site, including OoT.
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ZFS | Posted 11/25/2008 6:38:34 PM | message detail

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ZFS | Posted 11/25/2008 6:46:02 PM | message detail

FFVII would be a rightful favorite in the next games contest, and has good reason to repeat its 2004 run, but I wouldn't say it's "far ahead" of Ocarina at this point. There's the argument that there's a decreased Nintendo presence on the site right now, but it isn't to the point that FFVII would take an easy win. Between the two, Ocarina's got a lot more reason to do better five years later than FFVII does - and Nintendo's still top dog on this site even with its presence not at the deafening levels it was last year, where most here were confident in OoT winning. OoT/FFVII would be a killer match today; it could go either way, but I like Ocarina there.

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red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 7:07:31 PM | message detail

OOT probably wouldn't be hurt by the deboost, just as Link and Samus showed no signs of being hurt by it (or being helped by the original boost, for that matter). However, that means FFVII should still be the favorite, because it is doubtful the boost did much for OOT. Link gained 2% on Cloud from their 2004 match to the 2006 match on the day TP and the Wii were released, not enough to swing FFVII/OOT. I know Link has beaten his 2006 mark on Cloud both of the past 2 years, but I don't think (and I doubt anyone thinks) Cloud's gotten a fair match either time, thanks to L-Block and Snake.
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ZFS | Posted 11/25/2008 7:17:29 PM | message detail

Almost no game would be hurt by the 'deboost.' Nintendo's presence on the site now isn't as big as it was a year ago, but it's still far ahead of what it was in 2004. It's been so long since the last contest that most Nintendo games would be stronger today than they were then, even accounting for a 'de-boost.' Ocarina would definitely benefit from that, I think. The game has made a few rounds the past few years (Virtual Console, ports, and so forth) and I think time would be better for it than for FFVII, though there's nothing to really point to that being the case - it's just a feeling I've got. There's definitely more it than looking at Link the past few years and applying what's happened to him onto Ocarina.

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red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 7:19:19 PM | message detail

You know, FFVII's day vote has looked quite a bit worse and its early vote thus better this year than last year. Look at trend charts for Crono/Vincent this year and last: looking at the first few hours and last year's trends, you'd conclude Vincent was going to win easily, by more than last year. The same thing holds for Snake/Cloud: Cloud did better than Sephiroth every hour for the first half of the day, IIRC, and ended up losing by about 300 more votes than he did. Cloud and Sephiroth didn't seem to rise as much in their other matches as they did last year either, and even stalled their gains for long hours during the day. It's not conclusive of course, and Crono and Snake probably did improve their day votes some since 2006/7 (Snake's day vote had already improved a lot from Brawl by 2006, so Sephiroth wasn't going against the old Snake who lost the day vote to Frog in the BR either). And of course, trends do not equal strength....
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 7:26:18 PM | message detail

The game has made a few rounds the past few years (Virtual Console, ports, and so forth) and I think time would be better for it than for FFVII, though there's nothing to really point to that being the case - it's just a feeling I've got.

Hmm....that's interesting, I had the exact opposite feeling. OOT had a lot going for it in 2004: the Zelda Collector's Edition was packaged with around 2 million Gamecubes for Christmas 2003, allowing GC it's only year where it beat Xbox in sales in North America. TP was then announced at E3 2004 a week or two before the FFVII/OOT match. Since then, I feel FFVII has gotten rather more support- namely Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, and Crisis Core. It'll be an interesting match to see after 4 years.
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MetricTrout | Posted 11/25/2008 7:33:31 PM | message detail

For the record, what evidence is there for being a Nintendo "de-boost"? Other than Squall vs Sora vs Yoshi vs Fox, which could very well be an anamoly, I honestly cannot see anything else that cannot be explained by other causes. Yes, low-tier Brawl characters have performed like ass, but this just confirm the theory that Smash's impact had been overrated for years. Popular characters are put into Smash, not the other way around. Plus, the fact that there are so many Smash characters makes it more likely for any given match to split the Smash fanbase.

And even if there was a de-boost, how could you explain how impressive other Nintendo characters have been? Kirby surprised the hell out of us with his performance, Pikachu outperformed Ryu by defeating L-Block, and Link had his best performance against Cloud yet.

I honestly would like a response to this. Was there really a de-boost this contest, or could it possibly be a myth?

HaRRicH | Posted 11/25/2008 7:35:15 PM | message detail

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ZFS | Posted 11/25/2008 7:36:42 PM | message detail

I'd argue the spin-offs would sooner be a detriment to FFVII than they would be an advantage, but I don't think they matter too much FFVII either way.

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red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 7:43:16 PM | message detail

The characters who looked bad this year were generally the same ones who looked the best in 2005: Luigi, Bowser, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Mario. These are mostly Mario characters, but they (outside of Yoshi who got SFF'd by Megaman) were the ones who appeared to benefit the most from the Boost. The other Nintendo character who looked really good in 2005 was Kirby, but in retrospect, a lot of Kirby's "boost" came from Squall being underrated in 2004. He did do a full 5% better than Luigi did in 2003, after all, so Kirby > Luigi in 2004, pre-boost, makes a lot of sense. And 48% on Bowser looks less impressive now that we've found Bowser was probably never the 10th or 11th strongest character.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 7:51:18 PM | message detail

A remake of FF7, for the record, would unquestionably push Cloud ahead of Link. There are a variety of reasons why it would be far different from CT:DS.

1) FF7 originally sold far better.
2) FF7 is far more well-known.
3) FF7 has a brand-name.
4) FF7 has sold lots of systems before (and was a huge reason for PS1 > N64).
5) FF7 can STILL sell systems.
6) FF7 would hit a console instead of a handheld.
7) FF7 has been kept alive through KH and FF7's spin-offs and movie.
8) FF7 isn't nearly as commonly emulated as CT.
9) FF7 is still arguably the foundation of GameFAQs despite ports of LoZ:OoT being available at least three times since its original release.

There may be more reasons than that just for a remake of FF7 to be more effective than a remake of CT. Then we can throw in that Cloud is much closer Link than Crono is and that Cloud is stronger from FF7 alone than Crono is from CT alone.

Cloud would beat Link with a remake of FF7.

I have to disagree with this. The first 3 reasons, plus #7 and #9, support CTDS providing a larger boost than an FFVII remake. They are reasons that FFVII is stronger than CT currently, but that means it will be consequently harder for the remake to reach a new audience. That's why I think CTDS has as much potential for a massive boost as just about anything, even if the chances of it realizing its full potential is small- the current CT fanbase is small, and loves their game dearly, so CTDS is an opportunity, the first in 7 years, for the game to reach a new audience.

As for Cloud/Link after the FFVII Remake.....hmm.....I'd have to think long and hard before taking Cloud there, although I'll be happy to hype his chances during the contest. If the remake is well received, I'd probably take him there.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/25/2008 7:53:27 PM | message detail

There is no way an FF7 remake doesn't do more than the CTDS remake.

CTDS will probably sell 300,000 or so. An FF7 remake would sell millions, easily.

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MetricTrout | Posted 11/25/2008 7:53:58 PM | message detail

Well, it really is hard to gauge the Mario characters other than Yoshi since nearly all of them were crammed in Division 2 - which was already loaded with Nintendo characters and other characters associated with Nintendo. In fact, the only 4 characters in that bracket with little Nintendo association are Liquid, Roxas Deckard Kain, and Fei Fong Wong. With such heavy SFF, it would be difficult to justify the claim that they legitimately "de-boosted" rather than getting screwed over by their bracket placement.

trannyscience | Posted 11/25/2008 7:58:42 PM | message detail

FF7 remake would kill CTDS. this isn't even an argument, really.

CT remake on a next-gen system? then you MIGHT have an argument. until that happens, don't bring this up.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 8:00:50 PM | message detail

Yeah, and FFVII sold millions compared to something like 200,000 for CT on SNES. It still only got 58% on CT in a match on Gamefaqs. FFVII after a remake would be almost certainly stronger than CT- that is very different from the remake boosting FFVII more. It just means FFVII is naturally stronger. You want an example of a game that sold millions and didn't boost their characters all that much? How about Twilight Princess? Why? Because Link was already insanely popular, and most of TP sales went to people who were already Zelda fans.

If an FFVII remake helps out Cloud more than CTDS helps Crono, it'll be because it's a much more hyped game, a full remake, on a home console, instead of a port with only a small amount of content added. It certainly won't be because FFVII is more popular than CT now.
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ZFS | Posted 11/25/2008 8:04:07 PM | message detail

Tran's got my thoughts on this summed up.

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MetricTrout | Posted 11/25/2008 8:14:10 PM | message detail

Regarding the FF7 vs. CT remake effect.

CTDS has the potential to boost CT and its characters by far more than an FF7 remake would. An FF7 remake would definitely have some effect, but it would almost certainly not be enough to put Cloud anywhere near Link. At best, it would stop the bleeding Cloud has been doing vs Link every year since 2003.

Chrono Trigger is an interesting game. By all reason, CT characters should be doing as well as they have been doing. I mean, the game sold pretty poorly in the states, at least relative to any Mario, Zelda, 3D FF, or any other Noble Niner's games. This shows that CT has a small, but very devoted audience. If the new audience the remakes reaches is anywhere near as devoted as the old audience, CT is going to receive a huge boost.

A CT remake is likely to reach a far greater audience than an FF7 remake, at least proportional to the original sales to these two games. The reason is simple; fewer people played CT, and yet it is one of the most hyped video games in existence.

Let us not forget that that CT on the SNES has never been released in Europe. An entire continent's worth of voters could potentially be unleashed for CT if the port does well.

In summary, the proportion of (CT voters / people who played CT) is much, much greater than (FF7 voters / people who played FF7). Yes, an FF7 remake would sell more, but a CT remake would generate more CT voters as CT generates more votes per gamer.

All this hinges on how well CTDS sells, though. If it does well, it will boost CT far greater than an FF7 remake ever could.

trannyscience | Posted 11/25/2008 8:18:19 PM | message detail

A CT remake is likely to reach a far greater audience than an FF7 remake

and here's the problem with your entire post. CTDS is a port. a port on the DS. it will bring in maybe 8% in a Game of the Year poll.

a remake assumes it's on a Real System and isn't just a rerelease on PSN or something. FF7 remake would sell consoles:

Poll 2412 (06/19/2006)
Would you buy a PlayStation 3 remake of Final Fantasy VII?

26080 29.90% Buy it? I'd invest in Square Enix to make it happen!
20936 24.00% Yes, I'd love to see it on a modern system
19117 21.91% Probably, if it was re-done well
9876 11.32% Probably not, I wasn't a big fan FF7
11227 12.87% No, I can't stand it

TOTAL VOTES: 87236

just sayin'.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 8:24:03 PM | message detail

There's no question an FFVII remake would be way bigger than CTDS, and would easily crush it in a match. That doesn't mean it would give FFVII a bigger boost, because FFVII is already far more popular.
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KommunistKoala | Posted 11/25/2008 8:25:22 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #485
It certainly won't be because FFVII is more popular than CT now.

'lol'
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/25/2008 8:26:16 PM | message detail

Did you even read what I wrote, KommunistKoala?
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trannyscience | Posted 11/25/2008 8:27:34 PM | message detail

we need to stop pretending CT is some unknown game. it's clearly second fiddle to FF7 on this site, and the actual game is actually underexposed while this is CT's second port.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/25/2008 8:28:25 PM | message detail

I disagree entirely, since an FF7 remake would likely be on the PS3 alone and would thusly be open to skull-****ing from both Sony and Square at the same time. These are two companies that flat-out refuse to do anything well.
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MetricTrout | Posted 11/25/2008 8:30:21 PM | message detail

Port, remake, little difference. The fact is, there still is a vast number of people who have never played CT. The ability to reach a new audience, and the fact that the sheer number CT gamers count far more than FF7 gamers is the reason anything involving CT will boost it, port or remake.

That poll is meaningless, anyway. Everyone knows that an FF7 remake will sell, but will it generate new voters? To me, that poll is basically asking "Do you like FF7 or not?" FF7's audience is pretty much maxed out; an FF7 remake will not reach many new gamers, as most of its consumers have already played the original.

And even if it does, remember that CT can do much more with a small gain in audience than FF7 can with a slightly larger gain.

Unless CTDS flops, there is no reason for an FF7 remake to boost FF7 more than CTDS will.

This is, of course, proportional to the original strength of the two games. CT will never be stronger than FF7, it just will receive a larger boost, percentage-wise.

trannyscience | Posted 11/25/2008 8:31:46 PM | message detail

Poll 2186 (11/05/2005)
How many times have you played and beaten Final Fantasy VII?

8177 10.00% More than 10 times
25545 31.24% Between 2 and 9 times
11493 14.06% Just once, that was good enough
16136 19.74% I've played it, but never beaten it
20410 24.96% I've never played it. Ever.

TOTAL VOTES: 81761

Poll 2184 (11/03/2005)
Do you own a copy of Chrono Trigger?

10768 15.65% Yes, the original SNES cartridge
11356 16.51% Yes, the PlayStation remake
6320 9.19% Yes, both versions
18585 27.01% No, but I've played it before
21767 31.64% No, and I've never even played it

it really isn't that different.
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ZFS | Posted 11/25/2008 8:32:01 PM | message detail

I'm not sure what people are expecting CTDS to sell. It'll do well, but this isn't going to be a million seller in the U.S. - I'd be surprised if it even approaches that level. The thing about CTDS is that it's a port on a handheld system, the handheld system, sure, but it's still a handheld. Given how many people here have already played through the game, be it on the SNES, PS1, or emulation, reaching a new audience that will brought here isn't going to be a guarantee. A good chunk of the people excited about the game, and who are buying, are those who already consider it one of their all-time favorites.

A FFVII Remake would not only reach a greater audience, but also have a greater likelihood of turning people who aren't big fans of FFVII right now than CTDS can. An FFVII Remake would be huge everywhere, but in particular here - most of its characters would get big boosts, if only because FFVII suddenly becomes a new, recent big thing that is in people's minds. We'd probably see a 2003-esque year with that kind of release. It isn't so much about getting new fans as it is giving current fans a greater reason to be more excited about the game - and a FFVII remake does that and then some.

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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/25/2008 8:40:53 PM | message detail

Would you buy a PlayStation 3 remake of Final Fantasy VII?
26080 29.90% Buy it? I'd invest in Square Enix to make it happen!

How many times have you played and beaten Final Fantasy VII?
25545 31.24% Between 2 and 9 times

FFVIIFAQs indeed

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trannyscience | Posted 11/25/2008 8:43:22 PM | message detail

FF7FAQs now, then, before and forever.
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MetricTrout | Posted 11/25/2008 8:45:55 PM | message detail

You neglected to mention that the CT poll only received 68796 votes compared to the FF7 polls 81761. The vast majority of the difference between the two polls have never player - or even heard of - CT, which is why they neglected to vote.

And the large percentage of people who voted who claimed that they have "heard of, but never beaten" CT is troubling. Why would a much larger percentage of people claim they have never beaten the far shorter game when compared to the longer one? The answer, I suspect, is that many of the "played it before" voters for CT never actually played it; they might have watched a video of it, or read about its plot, and decided that this was good enough to claim that they have "played it"

Anyway, doing some math with these two polls:

45214 people have beaten FF7
28447 people have beaten CT

If this was a poll:

FF7 - 61.38
CT - 38.6

Yeah, huge blowout for FF7.

ZFS | Posted 11/25/2008 8:46:28 PM | message detail

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