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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 642

tee316 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:06:59 PM | message detail
Cloud is starting to make a comeback. Would be very funny if he beats Snake.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:07:57 PM | message detail
Meh.

Snake gave Cloud a run for his money and his position in the NN hierarchy.

I'm proud of him for that.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:08:16 PM | message detail
That would make this the best finals match ever, and give Games Contest a good challenge for Best Contest Ever. If Cloud failed to make a 700 vote comeback yesterday and made a 3600 vote comeback today......oh that would be so good, but it isn't happening.
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, and congratulations to your 5 time contest champion, Link!
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2008 1:08:54 PM | message detail
KH, take solace in the fact that Snake now has 0 chance of slipping after this year. This is the kind of match that propels a character onto a whole new level.

(I would take Snake over Sephiroth in a heartbeat, and have to think reeeeeal hard about Cloud)

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2008 1:12:17 PM | message detail
And yoblazer, Crono really should be on your list.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/19/2008 1:14:59 PM | message detail
In the end the only diffference between Snake and Cloud will probably be Snake's godly opening 2 hours
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:15:31 PM | message detail
Ha, a day after going even with Cloud during the ASV, Snake is losing the ASV to Crono.
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, and congratulations to your 5 time contest champion, Link!
FastFalcon05 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:15:33 PM | message detail
I would still be cautious about taking Snake over either Cloud or Sephiroth. His best successes have still only come under these four way polls.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/19/2008 1:15:39 PM | message detail
I thought about Crono, and while he did have some good results for himself and the fanbase, were they actually impressive? Most people here expected him to beat L-Block in Round 2, he then let Pikachu get a bit too close to him In Round 3, and he needed a huge final rally to get past Vincent in the quarters. If those rallying just "didn't feel like it," he wouldn't even be here (he's getting completely killed right here, too). Good results, but not necessarily impressive ones. I think there's a difference.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/19/2008 1:22:03 PM | message detail
Eh, I would pick Snake over Sephiroth in an upset, but I would have done that before this match. Or even yesterday's match! I'm still worried about him against even the likes of Samus to be honest (though that worry has slipped from "mildly worried" to "the kind of worry that a meteor might strike the earth one day").
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RPGuy96 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:25:28 PM | message detail
While I don't mean to rain on the parade, since this is an awesome result and people should be reveling and such, a bandwagon performance like this means Snake is going to inevitably slip next year. Kirby is the other character that benefited big from a bandwagon in his last two matches, and I'm reasonably confident that we can all agree not to take the puffball over Sonic 1v1. Likewise, I think we can agree that Snake vs Cloud two rounds ago is a lot more indicative of what the 1v1 result would be than today's Snake vs Cloud.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:25:52 PM | message detail
Looking over the contest in the x-stats the upper half of division 2 will be overrated while the upper half of division 6 will be underrated. Kind of sad that the adjusted x-stats will have 16 misplaced characters not including round 1 characters that were in contact with SFF.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/19/2008 1:27:39 PM | message detail
Meh, I'm fine with that. 43% on Cloud is like comfort food, and the fact that he was likely splitting anti-Cloud votes with WCC and that Mewtwo likely affected his Smash support only makes me more excited for a Snake/Sephy match.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 11/19/2008 1:27:45 PM | message detail
Didn't SB say there would be something besides a character contest next year anyway? 2 years is a long time to calm down from this
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Ngamer64 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:31:41 PM | message detail
n00b, the Game Contest is coming early, as in Winter or Spring. Still plenty of time for 1v1 Characters afterwards.

Have we decided what the 4-way bonus match for tonight should be yet, BTW?

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2008 1:32:27 PM | message detail
Obviously Snake isn't going to be beating Cloud 1 on 1 anytime soon, but I'm just saying that Snake doing this means he won't be any weaker than what his non-bandwagon matches show him to be. People support characters who do well in these things.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2008 1:33:12 PM | message detail
Link vs. Mario vs. Samus vs. Snake

let's do this

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RPGuy96 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:33:13 PM | message detail
Yeah, if I was setting up a 1v1 bracket for next year I'd do something like:

Top half:
1. Link

1-8. Upper midcarders part 1

1. Sonic
2. Mega Man
3-down. Near-elites part 1

1. Crono
2. X
3-down. Near-elites part 2

Bottom half:

1. Cloud

1-8. Upper midcarders part 2

1. Sephiroth
2. Samus

1. Snake
2. Mario

The seeding on the bottom is stretching it, but practically the whole Noble Nine was crammed into the top half of 2007 so I don't feel too bad about it.

...I might actually expand this into a full bracket. Hmm...
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:34:14 PM | message detail
Link vs. L-Block

LoZ Link vs LttP Link vs OoT Link vs WW Link vs TP Link

Either one or we may get the lame Is Link your favourite character? poll.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 423/640 Today's Match: Link > Cloud
BDawg | Posted 11/19/2008 1:34:54 PM | message detail
Personally, I wouldn't take Snake over Sephiroth. And I still think Mario and Samus could give him a match although it's a lot harder to take them today than it was yesterday. Of course this all has to do with 1v1, obviously almost anything can happen if the 4 ways get crazy enough.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:39:26 PM | message detail
I still wouldn't take Snake over Sephiroth. I think Sephiroth is pretty close to Cloud indirectly still, despite how he collapses every time he meets Cloud in a poll. Snake isn't going to end up very far away from Cloud today, and if you take out Link and Crono, even without changing the dynamics of Snake's bandwagon at all, Cloud would win today.

I would have probably taken Snake over Mario and Samus after his round 4 match, and definitely after yesterday.
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, and congratulations to your 5 time contest champion, Link!
HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2008 1:39:36 PM | message detail
I suggest Solid Snake VS Toon Link!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2008 1:40:45 PM | message detail
I can't really see Mario or Samus beating Snake. Even if this is 4-ways, he's simply been more impressive in every match.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/19/2008 1:43:59 PM | message detail
Yeah and I'll even take Vivi/Wesker/Sackboy over Nightmare/Crash/Raz pretty comfortably. Samus and Mario can win, but it's gonna take some serious rSFF (and in Mario's case that may not even be enough).
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/19/2008 1:44:51 PM | message detail
God Vivi/Wesker/Sackboy and Nightmare/Crash/Raz have suddenly illustrated to me how bad this contest really was up to now
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KommunistKoala | Posted 11/19/2008 1:44:59 PM | message detail

From: Karma Hunter | #224
Yeah and I'll even take Vivi/Wesker/Sackboy over Nightmare/Crash/Raz pretty comfortably. Samus and Mario can win, but it's gonna take some serious rSFF (and in Mario's case that may not even be enough).



Pretty sure Vivi is a good bit better than any of those chumps.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/19/2008 1:47:34 PM | message detail
Eh, you gotta take 'em as a whole (Crash is probably an easy pick over Wesker, and even though Sackboy > Raz should be an easy pick Sackboy was being SFFed). Still, yeah, Vivi alone probably puts that pack way out of reach of Samus', especially since he followed that performance up with a legit showing on Zero.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:54:20 PM | message detail
Usually the ASV is a pretty bad time, but today's is wonderful. 65 minutes ago Snake's lead on Cloud was larger than Link's lead on Snake. Now, Link's lead on Snake is over 1000 votes larger than Snake's lead on Cloud.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 11/19/2008 1:57:22 PM | message detail
1 Master Chief
8 Zack

4 Luigi
5 Leon

3 Ryu
6 L-Block

2 Pikachu
7 Big Boss
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/19/2008 2:03:46 PM | message detail
Usually the ASV is a pretty bad time, but today's is wonderful. 65 minutes ago Snake's lead on Cloud was larger than Link's lead on Snake. Now, Link's lead on Snake is over 1000 votes larger than Snake's lead on Cloud.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

OH, MAN.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/19/2008 2:11:19 PM | message detail
1 Master Chief
8 Zack

4 Luigi
5 Leon

3 Ryu
6 L-Block

2 Pikachu
7 Big Boss


Zack
Leon

Ryu
Big Boss

Leon
Big Boss

Big Boss
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/19/2008 2:21:06 PM | message detail
Yoblazer's Top Ten Contest Flubs!

10. Mega Man
Yes, most of the Noble Nine have now tasted defeated at the hands of joke entrants. Still, Mega's performance against WCC juuust earns him a spot on the list. At least he can thumb his nose at the rest of this list (which includes a couple more Noble Niners!).

9. Cloud Strife
You know things are weird when THIS GUY makes the flubs list. Cloud looked like his dominant self early on, but then he lost to non-Link competition. Twice. Cloud shouldn't be losing to non-Link competition twice. Yes, it can be argued that he was a victim of circumstance, but it was Cloud himself who allowed Snake to get so strong. He should have shut him down in the semis when he had the chance. He also tried to save face by blasting Sephiroth with SFF, but eh, you're still on the list, pretty boy!

8. Donkey Kong
This was hilarious. Not to brag or anything, but the closer we came to match day, the more I saw this result coming. When the match finally came and DK bombed hard against WCC and Tidus (when nearly everyone had him advancing and some people had him winning), I was all smiles despite my love for the ape. The fact that people were ripping into the big lug all day made things even more enjoyable. I think this was one of those failures that entertained even those whose bracket it hurt, because look at Donkey Kong's stupid face

7. Revolver Ocelot
Oh god, not you! Revolver my man, you had NO EXCUSE to lose to Jill! Shalashaska beat Jill Valentine last year and got MGS4 midway through this year, so this result was extremely perplexing. I guess it can be explained by "Cloud factor" or something. While it may have only cost most people two points, the fact that Ocelot failed while the other MGS characters excelled makes him look even more disappointing. Had I not been a huge Jill fanboy, this one would have hurt.

6. Diddy Kong
Hay, the whole Kong family's here! Determined to top his friend and mentor, Diddy went into his contest debut and laid a fart of unparalleled simian stink. He was the overwhelming Board 8 favorite to finish second behind Alucard, so what did he do? Nothing less than get his ass kicked by Captain Falcon, of course! Man, Diddy just got slammed. Nearly every pre-contest expectation about him was proven to be way off; Diddy was total fodder. This was pathetic and awesome (Captain ****ing Falcon) at the same time.

5. Lucario
Ugh. If we show a newcomer how well Mewtwo and Pikachu did this year, he likely would expect Lucario to have similar success. That's what most of us expected before the contest, and man, were we dumb as hell. We thought Lucario was soooo ready to be a neo-Mewtwo. He had the Pokemon fanbase popularity and the look, he had the damn movie and cartoon (I think), and he had Brawl. That's why when he got DOUBLED by Altair in Round 1, it came as a shock to everyone. Lucario was expected to win that match and was instead struggling with FREAKIN' ISAAC (I'M NOT EVEN TRYING TO USE CAPS HERE FOLKS IT'S JUST COMING OUT) just to move on! He then got spanked with a dismal fourth place in Round 2. Nothing too funny about this one; just sad and pathetic.

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Master Moltar | Posted 11/19/2008 2:21:09 PM | message detail
Oh, I see, it takes a performance like this for people to start considering Snake > Seph.

A true believer would have already been set on this upset 2 years ago!

(seriously i had Link > Samus in the ToC in 2005 of course i'm taking the king and queen over seph if the match happens in the future)
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/19/2008 2:21:18 PM | message detail
4. Yoshi
Just keeps getting sadder. This whole list is making me shake my head now. Yoshi came into this thing with cards dealt in his favor. He was given a bracket position loaded with enough Square SFF for him to make the quarterfinals, which would have been a dainty result. Instead, he was shamed out of the tournament in Round 2. His collapse started in the first round, when Squall kicked his ass with more oomph than anyone envisioned. Despite this "setback," he was still the favorite in Round 2, as we thought Squall and Sora would overlap enough to let Yoshi pass through. Nope, wrong-o! Yoshi was once again owned, and this time was forced to watch with Fox McCloud as Sora showed them what a real day vote looked like. Even more than Bowser, Lucario, and the Kongs, I think Yoshi epitomized the failure that plagued Nintendo throughout the first 80% of this contest.

3. Magus
And just what the hell happened to you. In 2008, the Chrono Trigger cast held their flag proudly. It began with Frog, who ran with it glimmering in the morning sky. He passed it on to Crono, who hoisted it higher than it had been in years. Crono then passed it to Magus, who tripped (Sakurai!!!) and watched helplessly as the flag fell in cow crap. Yes, Magus didn't have very high expectations. Yes, he was only supposed to come in second place one time before getting wrecked by Auron and Sonic. Despite such modesty and mediocrity, he still finds himself near the top (bottom?) of this list of shame. How does one manage that, exactly? By losing to a bag. A bag full of ****ing sand. Magus not only lost to Sandbag (who proved to be pathetic in the next round, anyway), but he did it with such a spectacular degree of FAIL that excluding him from this list would be a disservice! Magus built up a lead of over 2,000 votes during the night and school hours. A 2,000 vote lead is considered a done deal in 1v1 matches, let alone in this format when the two entrants are barely splitting 50% of the vote. Well, Magus would have none of that nonsense, as he let a bag of sand steamroll back and take second place. How in the hell... was he TRYING to do this? Frog and Crono can rally themselves from the depths of hell, and Magus can't protect 2,000 votes against a bag? Were the Chrono Trigger fans rallying for Sandbag in some wonderful display of humor? I dunno, but I had the damn bag in my bracket, so it was awesome to watch. Nice job Magsuck

2. Master Chief
You're here, too?! Now it's just becoming too much. There's almost too much to say about Master Chief, but I'll try to be succinct. People were expecting big things out of him. He was the heavy favorite to win out of his division (three first place victories). He was a very popular upset pick against Sonic in the quarters, as many a Board 8er picked him with unrestrained glee. After coming so close in 2007, this was to be his Noble Nine-busting year. And how did he respond to the pressure? Like we have come to expect from Master Chief - with FAILURE, all while Bill Gates probably laughs at our brackets in the background. Chief had a woefully lackluster performance in Round 1 which proved a precursor to his contest year as a whole. In Round 2, he lost a close match to Kirby. In Round 3, he lost to Kirby and Dante, which is something that would have NEVER happened last year. Chief was supposed to maul this division, but he instead left it after three very disappointing performances. Brackets died. Some users cried. Others welcomed back the old Chief, that lovable loser we all know and love, with open arms. With the TV ads and sodas gone, and with Bungie moving on to other projects, I feel confident in saying that Chief will never again be as strong as he was in 2007. Better start building that time machine, Lopen.

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chaosarcher07 | Posted 11/19/2008 2:22:11 PM | message detail
Anyone think Cloud would have a really good shot at Link today if not for what seems to be half his fans jumping ship for Snake?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/19/2008 2:22:18 PM | message detail
1. Sonic the Running, Spinning Piece of Elephant Dung
I don't like Sonic. As such, I was pretty pissed when I saw the bracket. I (we) all knew that Sonic was among the weakest Noble Niners. We all knew that he was arguably the most likely one to fall at the hands of outside competition. And that is why I was frustrated. Despite his comparative weakness, both intrinsically and in this format, Sonic was given what seemed to be a free pass into the finals. He wins Round 1, makes it out with Auron in Round 2, takes advantage of monster Sephiroth SFF to make it out of Round 3, and utilizes his Stand Out Factor against Sephiroth/Chief/Dante(Kirby) to strut his stupid ass into the semis.

Sonic, however, had other plans. He came into this contest DETERMINED. Determined... to fail. And fail he did, I'm happy to say! Sonic's first round performance was innocuous enough - he won easily and all the attention was focused on Sandbag/Magus. Round 2 against Auron was a different story. Before the contest started, Auron>Sonic was a mildly debated upset pick that a few Board 8ers rolled with. By the time we reached the match, though, most of us were expecting it, which is kind of a bad sign. Neither of them let us down, as Auron beat Sonic. And by "beat" I mean "beat his ass." Auron won that thing easily. Hell, he beat Sonic almost as easily as Snake did in 2006. Sonic moved on in the shame he desired while the rest of us figured it was all uphill from here. I mean... how could Sonic do any worse when he'll be aided by fanbase splits, Stand Out Factor, and a struggling Master Chief for his upcoming matches?

Clearly, we underestimated the bastard again. Round 3 came, and Sonic left a bitter taste in my mouth by utilizing massive overlap and Stand Out Factor (Sephiroth/Auron/Kratos, come on) to beat Auron and finish second. In doing so, he had outlasted a beloved character who clearly had him outclassed. At this point, I began to think that Sonic was trying to end this contest as the Stats Topic's most hated Noble Niner. Despite possessing every advantage known to man, Sephiroth still put up 58% on him, so I was still able to criticize him. Much obliged, Seph. And then, it happened. Facing a quarterfinal match against Sephiroth, Dante, and Kirby in what seemed to be a free pass into the semis, Sonic did it. Sonic the Hedgehog lost... to Kirby. The same Kirby who lost to Jill. The same Kirby who lost to Luigi (the same Luigi who Sonic killed, ironically). The same Kirby who had been crushed by Big Boss a few rounds earlier and who had been never seriously considered among the group who can break the Noble Nine. Sonic was fresh out of excuses or reasons, but he just found a way to lose.

There you have it. Sonic the Hedgehog - the first Noble Niner to lose to legit, non-Noble Nine competition twice in the same contest. And he STILL almost made the semis. Is this guy a jackass or what?

Honorable mentions: Shadow the Hedgehog, Bowser, L-Block, Scorpion

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/19/2008 2:26:05 PM | message detail
Oh god Sonic you failure.
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KommunistKoala | Posted 11/19/2008 2:26:10 PM | message detail
You can't really blame Mega Man for having to face WCC, who was pretty tough, with Zero in the match taking away almost half of his fanbase.

But he was only #10 so I guess thats okay
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/19/2008 2:28:32 PM | message detail
Shadow > Sonic 1v1 who wantz dis kool-aid
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/19/2008 2:29:52 PM | message detail
Link/Sonic/Zidane/Luke

who ya got?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2008 2:35:07 PM | message detail
...Pre-Dissidia or Post-Dissidia?

(you think I'm joking)

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BDawg | Posted 11/19/2008 2:36:03 PM | message detail
Luke von whatever definitely looks like a Sonic breaker.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/19/2008 2:40:06 PM | message detail
Oh, by the way, not only has a new Tales game come out (on the 360, and you know they love their RPGs), but a sequel to Tales of Symphonia has come out as well! That means not only will we get even more Tales characters in, Lloyd/Kratos/Zelos/Sheena ect. will have even more staying power!

That's it. Writhe in pain, stats topic.

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/19/2008 2:41:02 PM | message detail
Kratos is not in Dawn of the New World.
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MartrebnoR | Posted 11/19/2008 2:41:24 PM | message detail
Luke von whatever definitely looks like a Sonic breaker.

I approve of it being called Sonic-breaker instead of NN-breaker.
red sox 777 | Posted 11/19/2008 2:42:03 PM | message detail
It's okay, we can put them up against the Sonic characters and see which fail harder. Or we could feed them to Clinkeroth.
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Congratulations to Crono for making his first true finals match, and congratulations to your 5 time contest champion, Link!
TRE Public Account | Posted 11/19/2008 2:44:06 PM | message detail
Kratos can get a boost just by getting people to replay ToS.

That means not only will we get even more Tales characters in, Lloyd/Kratos/Zelos/Sheena ect. will have even more staying power!

Nominate Presea! <_<
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/19/2008 2:44:12 PM | message detail
I can't agree with Mega Man being a bigger flub than Shadow. Shadow was the favorite to take second place in a division considered Link+fodder, yet he lost cleanly in the first round. Mega Man was expected to lose in R4 until we found out Zero was in the match too...and even then, Mega Man barely lost in R3 despite Zero and Steam rallying for WCC.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 11/19/2008 2:46:30 PM | message detail
TRE is right. Have you all forgotten the second playthrough factor!?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/19/2008 2:47:17 PM | message detail
I find what Mega Man did to be a flop because we had just seen Pikachu easily beat L-Block the match before. You telling me that Zero-leeched Mega Man can't do that against WEIGHTED COMPANION CUBE?
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