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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 6:54:11 PM | message detail
So is someone going to do grades for the last few rounds or should I (I'm bored)?

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Gaddswell | Posted 11/18/2008 6:54:38 PM | message detail
I haven't seen grades for a long while....
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2008 6:54:52 PM | message detail
hay guyz I just got back again wazzap
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/18/2008 6:55:25 PM | message detail
semifinals

link - B+
Crono - A
mario - D
SMAUS - C+

cloud - FFFFFFFFF
snake - FFFFFFFFFFFFFF
sephiroth - FFFFFFFFFF
kirby - FFFFFFFF
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/18/2008 6:55:59 PM | message detail
karma hunter go away we were having more fun without you
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/18/2008 6:56:03 PM | message detail
I like Cloud more than Snake (barely, and only because a recent playthrough of MGS made me realize how dumb Snake is before the events of 2), but this is a great result. Cloud waited way too long to make a push.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 6:56:32 PM | message detail
k I guess I'll do grades from...the 5th round on? Has it been that long?

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2008 7:00:15 PM | message detail
Hmm looks like Cloud just won't go down quietly

good thing Snake's fans are back for one last push
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trannyscience | Posted 11/18/2008 7:00:50 PM | message detail
don't see the anti-Cloud rally doing anything. I mean, seriously, what would you tell someone, "Go to Gamefaqs and vote against Cloud?" That would have a higher chance of getting them to vote FOR Cloud. And if you tell them to vote for Snake because he's in a close match with Cloud, they'll vote for the one they prefer.....and they won't be voting for Sephiroth, since they know that there's a close match between Cloud and Snake. So....yeah Snake has the rally advantage, but Cloud still has like a 10% chance of winning this match.

I think you miss the point - people rally because of that, but all they're doing is posting a link and saying "vote Snake" or whatever.

the characters that have had crazy rallied finishes are first-hour characters: Crono and Frog. if a Nintendo character was close they'd get the same kind of treatment -- hell, even Peach got it a little bit against Jill.

go look at Snake and Cloud's first hour. without it, Cloud is ahead right now.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:01:38 PM | message detail
bacon erase the first hour from the match you know it wasn't legit
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:01:51 PM | message detail
1:00 | 56.93% | 54.18% | -2.65%
2:00 | 54.83% | 50.12% | -4.71%
3:00 | 50.18% | 49.98% | -0.20%
4:00 | 52.21% | 48.63% | -3.58%
5:00 | 50.20% | 48.22% | -1.98%
6:00 | 49.78% | 49.30% | -0.48%
7:00 | 50.16% | 49.62% | -0.54%
8:00 | 52.32% | 50.83% | -1.49%
9:00 | 50.19% | 49.78% | -0.41%
10:00 | 50.03% | 49.87% | -0.16%
11:00 | 50.05% | 51.26% | 1.21%
12:00 | 51.03% | 49.71% | -1.32%
13:00 | 49.97% | 51.04% | 1.07%
14:00 | 50.52% | 52.55% | 2.03%
15:00 | 50.14% | 50.76% | 0.62%
16:00 | 48.96% | 50.04% | 1.08%
17:00 | 47.86% | 51.01% | 3.15%
18:00 | 47.50% | 49.09% | 1.59%
19:00 | 47.23% | 48.74% | 1.51%
20:00 | 47.58% | 48.47% | 0.89%
21:00 | 47.87% | 49.11% | 1.23%
22:00 | 45.71% | 48.28% | 2.57%

23:00 | 48.75%
24:00 | 51.26%

Cloud gets his best hour since 5 AM, but doesn't come close to Sephiroth's performance that hour. He needs to beat Snake at both of the remaining hours to win this.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/18/2008 7:03:11 PM | message detail
And I know this is a dead horse, but this format is complete crap. Snake > Cloud would be 100x more interesting without Sephiroth there.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 7:04:23 PM | message detail
Oh, Cloud will probably cut 130 or so in this hour...

Off by 10, curses.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:04:27 PM | message detail
Snake > Cloud would also be 100x more impossible without Sephiroth there.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:05:25 PM | message detail
I think you miss the point - people rally because of that, but all they're doing is posting a link and saying "vote Snake" or whatever.

And that's exactly why it's harder to rally against Cloud than against Vincent or Axel- because the person is more likely to get to Gamefaqs and vote for Cloud instead of Snake. It's like the Kerrigan rallies backfiring and resulting in more Vincent votes, except that Snake will still get a big majority of the rallied votes.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 7:07:44 PM | message detail
Link vs. Zack Fair vs. Mario vs. Mega Man X

Link: Commanding performance after commanding performance. What else is there to say about this guy? He's just a damn monster.
Grade: A

Zack Fair: Some people gave this guy a chance to advance due to standing out the most by far, but he was still the heavy underdog going in. Not so, says the FF7 horde! While the end result wasn't close, Zack still managed to make people nervous early on, and even managed to take the lead from the plumber during the night. Not bad from a guy who's probably just a high midcarder.
Grade: B+

Mario: Managed not to get SFFd by Link, but after seeing their match last year, that wasn't very surprising. Let Zack scare him, but triple LFF has been shown to be a major factor in matches (hello Mewtwo). And he still advanced...so not a spectacular performance, but not one you can fault him for either.
Grade: C+

Mega Man X: Had a slim chance to advance, but considering LoZ SFFd the Mega Man X series in the series contest, he actually had a good chance of being hurt more by Link than Mario. And...he was. Still, not a bad performance. X has proved himself to be a strong contender worthy of returning.
Grade: C

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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2008 7:08:03 PM | message detail
Anywho does anyone want to enlighten me what Cloud's quota per update is to win?

y'know, for... statistical purposes
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:08:55 PM | message detail
karma hunter i said go away
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 7:09:17 PM | message detail
15.9 votes.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/18/2008 7:09:17 PM | message detail
It keeps increasing with updates like that.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:10:17 PM | message detail
don't listen to KP, cloud needs like 50 votes an update this is over no need to rally or anything dumb like that
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:12:05 PM | message detail
Cloud is probably the easiest person to rally against. When new people post on this board, you know what they always say? "Why does Cloud always win?" The perception that Cloud is the master of these contests is very strong.

Cloud's strongest fanbase is GameFAQs. If Cloud is going even with Snake among GameFAQs voters, rallying anywhere else is going to result in a gain for Snake - that is, if the rallying is done properly.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2008 7:12:44 PM | message detail
15.9 votes? And he's got to snag that each update?

Hmm... ...that's... doable! ;D

well gotta go guys
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Biolizard28 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:13:43 PM | message detail
Rock makes a valid point, when you think about it. I've probably seen more "Cloud always wins" topics than "Link always wins".
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:14:09 PM | message detail
shoo
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/18/2008 7:14:34 PM | message detail
how weak has cloud gotten if he needs to make a comeback against a generic shooter guy
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/18/2008 7:17:36 PM | message detail
how weak has cloud gotten if he needs to make a comeback against a generic shooter guy

He already beat Duke Nukem before. He's allowed to slip here.
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/18/2008 7:19:36 PM | message detail
What were the round 3 grades? I didn't see those either.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 11/18/2008 7:20:40 PM | message detail
STALLINNNNN
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 7:20:47 PM | message detail
Samus Aran vs. Vincent vs. Crono vs. Pikachu

Samus: Despite obvious Pikachu LFF, she still managed to beat the competition with ease. Samus seems to be all-around better with SFF this year.
Grade: B+

Vincent: Not a bad performance, really. Sometimes we forget that beating a NNer, even a weaker one, is really hard. Nevertheless...what was with that day vote? Crono handed Vincent the match on a silver platter, and then he let himself get in range for the 12th hour 'rally' (which I won't count against him, as it was obvious BS). But still...Vincent choked the match away, it's that simple.
Grade: C-

Crono: Hoo boy. He had a decent day vote, managed to channel Frog stuffers, and won a match he was expected to lose from the beginning. Shenanigans aside, Crono certainly restored some our faith in him this year. I don't think anyone will be taking MM, Sonic, Squall ect. over him for a while.
Grade: B+

Pikachu: Considering Samus was here, he did very well. People were calling for more craziness after L-Block, but even mascots of one of the most popular franchises in the world have limits. Pikachu definitely isn't anywhere near this strong in 1 on 1 matches, but this year will never be taken from him;
Grade: B

(kind of hard to give any of these guys low grades...for now)

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 7:27:27 PM | message detail
Solid Snake vs. WCC vs. WCC vs. Mewtwo

Solid Snake: He set himself up to possibly take down Cloud in the next round (although that's quite the long-shot...wait), did much better against Cloud than in the Battle Royale two years ago, and just did great all around. About time this site appreciated MGS more.
Grade: B+

WCC: Managed to stay somewhat static, and...Uuuuuh screw professionalism, this thing beat MM die die die
Grade: F--

Cloud: It's so hard to give writeups to Clinkeroth in matches like this. What else is there to say except domination? Even when showing a bit of weakness against Snake, Cloud dominated.
Grade: A

Mewtwo: Kind of a disappointing result after what he did in R3. No one was expecting him to come close to that, but a good showing regardless would've been nice. Still...he got 25% against Cloud, which puts him at midcarder status. Stick around, Mewtwo.
Grace: C-

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/18/2008 7:29:23 PM | message detail
Nice update, sweetcheeks.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2008 7:30:54 PM | message detail
why thank you
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tee316 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:31:14 PM | message detail
Cloud is not going down without a fight. If he can pull a Crono he might win.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/18/2008 7:33:04 PM | message detail
Oh yes we're all going to stand idly by and let that happen.

I've got phone books my grandmother used to use right next to me, man. I don't know how many of these people are alive.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 7:33:05 PM | message detail
Kirby vs. Dante vs. Sephiroth vs. Sonic

Kirby: WHAT.
Just.
WHAT.
No one except Lopen fanboyism could've possibly predicted this. This is more surprising than Pikachu over L-Block, i think. Kirby in the semis...who would've expected that?
Grade: A+

Dante: Disappointing result, but it's easy to explain with Badass SFF. Shame he didn't get an even playing field with Kirby this year, so we could've had that fated duel in earnest.
Grade: C-

Sephiroth: Domination.
Grade: A

Sonic: This is easily the most embarrassing result a NNer has ever had. Vincent is considered the 10th strongest by many, and WCC only got by through rallying and LFF. This? No excuses. Even ignoring Kirby, he performed like ass against Sephiroth and Dante directly. Just as MM established himself as the bottom barrel of the NN, Sonic pulls this.

It's Kirby! He's not even a Top 20 character (probably)!

Grade: F

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params7 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:33:09 PM | message detail
Holly **** stay down CLOUD!!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 7:39:18 PM | message detail
Link vs. Mario vs. Samus vs. Crono

Link: He beat Mario and Samus combined by 2%. With Triple LFF, he still gets 61% against Crono directly. Frankly, Link scares me. He seems to get stronger every year, and he was already considered a god that took the weight of the rest of the internet voting in unison to bring down.
Grade: A+

Mario: Could've made it a little closer with Crono, but this was a foregone conclusion with 3 Nintendo characters and one Square character.
Grade: C

Samus: Remember when Samus got 40% against Mario? Remember when she couldn't even get 8% in that first Battle Royale match? I don't know what's happened to her, but she's definitely done a lot better with SFF and just in general this year.
Grade: B

Crono: Even though he obviously took advantage of LFF...not bad. Hard to really get anything from this, though.
Grade: B

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red sox 777 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:42:09 PM | message detail
Looks over. Hoping Crono can survive in a poll with the 1st, 2nd, and 4th strongest characters on the site in an hour and 20 minutes.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:42:25 PM | message detail
For God's sake, Bacon must hate Mario.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 11/18/2008 7:44:38 PM | message detail
Nah, probably trying to redress the balance and I salute him for that, terrible admin as he might be. Cjay was up Mario's arse for years.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/18/2008 7:45:32 PM | message detail
phew that was close

Now let's see if we can push over a 500 vote lead for the hell of it <_<

Looks over. Hoping Crono can survive in a poll with the 1st, 2nd, and 4th strongest characters on the site in an hour and 20 minutes.

Pfft. You think Sephiroth's safe now, sure. This was just a warm-up for next year's 1v1 showdown spectacular!!!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/18/2008 7:47:50 PM | message detail
The best part is, Link is going to be breaking 40%, making Snake, Cloud and Crono look like crap.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:49:08 PM | message detail
Link barely broke 40% on Zack, Mario, and X. If he breaks 40% tomorrow that's a clear sign that Zack is equal to Cloud.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:49:41 PM | message detail
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Nah, probably trying to redress the balance and I salute him for that, terrible admin as he might be. Cjay was up Mario's arse for years.

And? It's still going to make Mario look horrible this year, all due to *****y bracket placement.
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 11/18/2008 7:50:05 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #194
Link barely broke 40% on Zack, Mario, and X. If he breaks 40% tomorrow that's a clear sign that Zack is equal to Cloud.


Then Zack would have gotten 70% in Round 1 with those terrible opponents.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:50:36 PM | message detail
From: red sox 777
Link barely broke 40% on Zack, Mario, and X. If he breaks 40% tomorrow that's a clear sign that Zack is equal to Cloud.

Yeah, no?

Unless you think a severely handicapped Mario can beat Cloud.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2008 7:51:06 PM | message detail
And since this seems to be OVAH...

Cloud vs. Snake vs. Sephiroth vs. Kirby

Cloud: Heh, even when losing to someone other than Link for the first time since 2002 (Block doesn't count), Cloud doesn't look half-bad. Gonna have to dock him points for letting Kirby scare him, but still, not a terrible performance.
Grade: C

Snake: Some people will tell you that Snake beating Cloud isn't impressive, as all he's doing is taking advantage of LFF.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/43

In two year he's gone from barely beating Sephiroth to barely beating Cloud. It never would've happened without LFF, but it's CLOUD. People forget how nigh-untouchable Clinkeroth is. Snake is a force, and has solidified himself as the 4th strongest character (in my eyes, anyway). This format sucks 95% of the time, but when that other 5% produces a result like this, I almost wouldn't mind it sticking around. Almost.
Grade: A+

Sephiroth: Sephy just seems more like the Ganondorf to Cloud's Link every year. He's still #3 (probably...Snake's a-comin for ya next year!) on the totem poll, but collapsing whenever Cloud says hi isn't encouraging. He didn't even come close to Kirby.
Grade: D+

Kirby: Much like Pikachu, people wanted more craziness after a stunning upset...and for a while, they almost had it! For one very silly hour, Kirby led Cloud. Now he trails Cloud by 10000+ votes, but those are mere details.

Seriously though, Kirby seems to be the most static normal character there is, while also being a little stronger than last year. Kirby's been waiting to make noise in these things for a long time, and while he's had some good showings, nothing compares to these last two rounds.
Grade: B+

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red sox 777 | Posted 11/18/2008 7:52:18 PM | message detail
The point is that Link won't be hitting 40% tomorrow.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/18/2008 7:52:33 PM | message detail
I want to point out that Sonic is the only character to have lost to two non-NN'ers in the same contest. He was also one of several who lost to L-Block last year, and it's debatable whether or not Squall would have beat him if Sora and Solid weren't in the way AND he wasn't announced in SSBB in the middle of the contest.
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