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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 638
| Biolizard28 | Posted 11/17/2008 2:18:24 PM | message detail |
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I'd put Mega Man over Sonic in a heartbeat. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. ALLEN LIED! PEOPLE LOST THEIR ABILITY TO CONTEST! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/17/2008 2:23:21 PM | message detail |
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Either way, considering that Mario SFFs Samus hard and has stood up to
Link before, he's definitely not in the same position as Squall was.
And Crono doesn't stand out anywhere near as much as Mewtwo did anyway.
You said it yourself that Samus is not purely Nintendo, and neither are
Link and Mario, for that matter. Link is popular with the vast majority
of the site, and Mario is Mario, well-known to everyone. Plus Crono is
a SNES character and shares a lot of fanbase with these 3. As I said,
Zack is a better comparison (and I'd expect Crono to stand out less
than Zack if anything)- and he only moved from 30% to 34% on Link when
Mario and MMX were added. --- Crono's quest to beat Link: Link vs. Crono vs. Mario vs. Samus |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:23:35 PM | message detail |
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I think most people would at this point, but Mega Man hasn't really
shown me anything that tells me he's leagues above Sonic. He's just had
better luck with bracket placement. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| hailEC | Posted 11/17/2008 2:24:55 PM | message detail |
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MM is stronger than Sonic, just like I've been saying forever. It helps
that I've always thought Sora was pretty damn strong, so that MM/Sora
match never made me question MM's strength to the extent that I've seen
others do. He's still clearly at the bottom of the noblers, but there's
just no reason to take Sonic at this point. He's horribly disappointed
in virtually every match in the last couple years. Format failure or
not, there's no reason to support that mega failure anymore. Maybe I'm wrong, because I still find Link > Cloud > Samus > Seph to be a puzzling result. Shouldn't be too puzzling. That's what would happen 1v1 too. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 11/17/2008 2:25:54 PM | message detail |
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I expect Sonic to be given very little credit by this topic now anyway.
There's been an agenda against him for a while - I reckon it started
before he beat Crono, but it could have started as early as the 2k5
match against Megaman - and now the haters have an actual reason to lol at him they're going to squeeze every possible inch out of it --- JUSTICE FOR FD I use to worry about a McCain presidency but after playing some Fallout 3 I feel I could survive well enough. - ISS |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:26:23 PM | message detail |
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...Oh man, I don't even know where to start with these upper half stats. So much SFF. Whoo, it's like SC2K4 all over again! And hey, for Games, let's take a contest format that's unpredictable but boring after the first time that produces maybe one or two good matches over a one-on-one format that would still be unpredictable but would probably produce more exciting matches! After all, the only thing that matters is how difficult it was to predict before the contest started! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| hailEC | Posted 11/17/2008 2:27:29 PM | message detail |
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Bracket placement might have been a half-way decent argument before, but we just saw Sonic lose to KIRBY.
If MM had been dealt up Kirby and defeated him, you guys would still be
saying "b-b-b-but bracket placement! no noble nine breakers!" Sonic
just lost to a scrub, and that's pretty much all there is to it. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:27:39 PM | message detail |
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Maybe I'm wrong, because I still find Link > Cloud > Samus > Seph to be a puzzling result. I don't. Mario seems to SFF Samus harder than Link does, for whatever the reason. Samus might have a decent shot at still beating Crono if someone other than Mario were here. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/17/2008 2:28:46 PM | message detail |
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Saying Kirby's a scrub is harsh. --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness Now we must duel, like two gleaming banjos on a moonlit stoop! -Dimentio, SPM |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:28:50 PM | message detail |
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Kirby is not a scrub! But at the very least, Mega Man wasn't dealt
anyone we considered serious competition other than the Cube, and that
was the case last year. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| hailEC | Posted 11/17/2008 2:30:40 PM | message detail |
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Kirby's not a scrub, but you get the point. He's nowhere near the level
of noble nine breaker... yet he just handed Sonic's ass to him. That
argument is dead. I'm also not going to judge MM based on WCC, just like I'm not going to judge Pikachu on L-Block. You can't fall back on the bracket placement argument anymore, it just makes you look silly. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:32:46 PM | message detail |
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Again, I'm not even arguing that Sonic would beat Mega Man 'cause he
probably wouldn't at this point. I just don't think the Blue Bomber's
really that far ahead, but there's really no way of knowing 'cause he
hasn't really been that heavily tested. I'd still take Vincent and
Squall over him. Crono = Vincent = Squall > Mega Man > Sonic is how I'd go with it. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| hailEC | Posted 11/17/2008 2:34:52 PM | message detail |
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He hasn't been "heavily" tested, but he has been tested to some extent.
Last year he absolutely crushed Yoshi, and came within 3% of Samus. Sonic just lost to Kirby. Yoshi has always shown to be on the level of Kirby, if not higher. So while you might want to keep saying he hasn't beaten anyone, he's absolutely crushed somebody who is stronger than a guy that Sonic just lost to. There's not much getting around that. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/17/2008 2:36:25 PM | message detail |
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For those still defending Sonic, ignore Kirby for a minute. Sonic still
put up pitiful numbers against Sephiroth and an SFFd Dante. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/17/2008 2:36:36 PM | message detail |
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They'd both lose. --- Yoblazer: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3699/thegamefaqsticketxr8.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:37:23 PM | message detail |
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I want to see what Kirby does tomorrow before I pass final judgment on
just how bad Sonic's loss was. If it's as Lopen hypothesizes (Let's
hope so, however unlikely it may be!), Kirby could just be a tough out! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/17/2008 2:38:27 PM | message detail |
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You know what they say Lopen never strikes the same place twice. --- Yoblazer: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3699/thegamefaqsticketxr8.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:38:54 PM | message detail |
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Sonic still put up pitiful numbers against Sephiroth and an SFFd Dante. Why's Dante SFF'd? Because he didn't beat Kirby like we thought he would now that all of his supposed LFF was out of the way? He put up the same number that Kratos did the round before, approximately. 30% on Sephiroth isn't that bad. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/17/2008 2:39:14 PM | message detail |
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He hasn't been "heavily" tested, but he has been tested to some
extent. Last year he absolutely crushed Yoshi, and came within 3% of
Samus. and Mega Man X came within 3% of Mario. you do see what the problem with this argument is, right? --- xyzzy http://isobamapresident.com/ |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:40:13 PM | message detail |
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By the way, Zack could end up in 2nd place in the raw stats of the
upper half of the bracket if Mario's performance on Link right now
stays as it is or gets worse! ZackFAQs indeed! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:41:16 PM | message detail |
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Err, 3rd. Darn you Crono --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/17/2008 2:42:54 PM | message detail |
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When a character like Dante, a silver-haired bishounen who relies on
casual appeal, goes up against a character like Sephiroth... SFF. Doesn't even need major fanbase overlap; casual appeal is enough. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:44:29 PM | message detail |
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Dante still didn't even do that badly. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/17/2008 2:44:59 PM | message detail |
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You know, we weren't all that far from having FFVII second string
characters defeat 3 Noble Niners in the top half of this bracket. If
Zack and Vincent won, and one of them then SFF'd the other into the
ground today..... --- Crono's quest to beat Link: Link vs. Crono vs. Mario vs. Samus |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/17/2008 2:45:36 PM | message detail |
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It doesn't have to be major SFF. Just...present SFF. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:45:47 PM | message detail |
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Can we say that Zack defeated a Noble Niner by proxy? MMX is close enough, right?! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/17/2008 2:47:11 PM | message detail |
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Oh, make that 4 Noble Niners that could have been defeated by FFVII characters you don't have to see for more than 10 minutes. .....I'm glad it didn't happen. --- Crono's quest to beat Link: Link vs. Crono vs. Mario vs. Samus |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/17/2008 2:47:44 PM | message detail |
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I would take MMX above MM, but I would also take Vincent and Squall over MM. Strength doesn't matter, title does. Besides, Zack was obviously benefiting from the same thing Mewtwo did and Crono is. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:48:12 PM | message detail |
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Obviously smobviously! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/17/2008 2:48:59 PM | message detail |
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Now Sonic...no excuses, Blue Blur! Making fun of Sonic is fun! --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/17/2008 2:51:34 PM | message detail |
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Whoa, GameFAQs now has Chrono Trigger DS ads. I had no idea it was
coming out in the US next week (figured it would only hit Japan this
year). --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/17/2008 2:52:09 PM | message detail |
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it's out in a week. it's out in Japan in three days. --- xyzzy http://isobamapresident.com/ |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:52:23 PM | message detail |
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Looks like Crono might not finish with 40% on Link directly by the end
of this one with the way the Heroes of Time's day votes are going. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/17/2008 2:52:32 PM | message detail |
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Chrono Trigger DS ads? Crono to win the contest. --- CB7 Score: 392/512 http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/17/2008 2:53:16 PM | message detail |
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Perfect timing for the games contest we're all expecting. CT/LttP is debatable once more! --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| hailEC | Posted 11/17/2008 2:53:43 PM | message detail |
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and Mega Man X came within 3% of Mario. you do see what the problem with this argument is, right? Difference is Mario had Luigi there to hold him back, and then Link demolishing the Nintendo base. I don't think you can really compare that with Samus/Mega/Yoshi. Seems pretty clear to me that Mario is getting significantly hampered there to allow X to get that close. Anyway, the heart of that argument had to do with what Mega did to Yoshi. You can say Mega hasn't had to face any noble nine breakers, but he did face Yoshi, and he beat him by 10%. Yoshi has shown to always be on the level of Kirby, or even stronger. Yet Kirby just got done smacking down Sonic. That was the point. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:53:59 PM | message detail |
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I've been a CT > LttPer all along! I refuse to waver! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/17/2008 2:54:38 PM | message detail |
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Man, you guys are taking things even more ass-backwardly than you did in 2006. - Mega Man is fine. He's the same as he was in 2005, which is the same as he was in 2006 and 2007. - Sonic has clearly fallen completely off the map last year and this year. Blame the "format" all you want, but it's clear that the Sonic fanbase is finally starting to realize what a steaming pile of a joke that franchise has become - X is not stronger than, or equal to Mega Man. At best he's about Auron's level, at worst around Zelda's level - Zack is not a Noble Breaker. At best he's at Kratos, at worst.... lets say Alucard. - This is the same Crono we've seen for the last 2 years. He hasn't improved and he isn't getting higher than 45% on Mario any time soon. Noble Nine Rankings are: Link Cloud Sephiroth Mario Samus Snake Mega Man Crono Vincent/Squall/Auron Sonic --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:55:36 PM | message detail |
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X is not stronger than, or equal to Mega Man. At best he's about Auron's level These are contradictory statements! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| hailEC | Posted 11/17/2008 2:56:21 PM | message detail |
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BT's post was amazing until he decided to rank the characters. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/17/2008 2:56:53 PM | message detail |
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lol bt --- CB7 Score: 392/512 http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w333/usagiaruku/1224857053726.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/17/2008 2:57:03 PM | message detail |
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The thing with Mega/Samus/Yoshi is that we've seen before how Yoshi and
Mega Man overlap. Yoshi was hurting Samus more, but it wasn't a
complete SFF overlap like we're seeing today. I personally think that
something weird between Ryu/Mega Man is the explanation for last year.
Argue all you want, but it's pretty clear that Capcom characters share
SOME overlap. Look at Amatseraseraeu/Ryu this year, or Dante/Leon. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:57:13 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, because Snake just proved the day before yesterday that he was stronger than Samus! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/17/2008 2:57:55 PM | message detail |
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Argue all you want, but it's pretty clear that Capcom characters
share SOME overlap. Look at Amatseraseraeu/Ryu this year, or Dante/Leon. *looks* Yep, nothin' there! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/17/2008 2:59:36 PM | message detail |
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Link Cloud Sephiroth Mario/Samus/Snake (Mario wins a direct match with Samus) Crono Mega Man Sonic Potential characters I'd take directly beneath Crono: Squall, Vincent, Auron Riskier ones: Tifa, Zelda --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/17/2008 2:59:46 PM | message detail |
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It's fine if you suddenly think Crono boosted to Mario levels for that
match and that Pikachu would beat our bottom end Noble Niners. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/17/2008 3:01:20 PM | message detail |
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Look at Amatseraseraeu/Ryu this year, or Dante/Leon. Ryu did about as well as he was expected to, and Ammy impressed that day. Dante/Leon may have looked like substantial LFF last year, but Pikachu has sort of vindicated his performance there. --- Crono's quest to beat Link: Link vs. Crono vs. Mario vs. Samus |
| trannyscience | Posted 11/17/2008 3:02:16 PM | message detail |
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Difference is Mario had Luigi there to hold him back, and then Link
demolishing the Nintendo base. I don't think you can really compare
that with Samus/Mega/Yoshi. and what of Mario/Zelda/Mudkip/X? I don't disagree with your main argument - that Mega Man beat Yoshi while Sonic choked against Kirby - but to deny Samus and Yoshi overlapping is like denying Squall/Sora last year. --- xyzzy http://isobamapresident.com/ |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/17/2008 3:02:24 PM | message detail |
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Zelda? Looks like somebody's taking the female bracket a little too
seriously. What has Zelda done in these contests aside from that match
with Samus? Get her ass completely kicked by Vincent last year? Score
45% on the weakest Noble Niner in any contest (2005 Snake) aside from
Sonic 2k7/2k8? And what evidence have we seen for Mega Man suddenly being weaker than Crono? After CT:DS your rankings look accurate, but clearly not now. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 11/17/2008 3:03:01 PM | message detail |
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I don't know if this has been noted yet, but Link is 1%+ above Mario and Samus combined. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
