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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 636

vcharon | Posted 11/16/2008 1:30:16 AM | message detail
I'm well aware of the technicalities. But can't we just pretend? Sonic is so far gone it isn't even funny anymore. I'll admit I enjoyed Auron kicking his ass up and down, but Kirby? I mean, this means there are like 10 characters outside of the noble 9 that will beat Sonic now.
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/16/2008 1:31:48 AM | message detail
how long have I (KadenceInc) been in the Top 50?

Up to Cloud > Snake, you have been on the leaderboard for 17 days (14 consecutive)
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 1:32:11 AM | message detail
and guess what match # that match was? <_<

Match #60?

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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/16/2008 1:35:26 AM | message detail
Crono Curse I tell ya!
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 1:38:55 AM | message detail
I just noticed that Sonic's been in match 60 every year since 2k4!

He would've been in match 60 back in 2k2 if Samus didn't beat him!
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 1:39:52 AM | message detail
Make that:

He's lost in match 60 every year since 2k4!
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creativename | Posted 11/16/2008 1:40:53 AM | message detail
If Kirby wins against Sonic here, we might have to declare a new King of SFF - though it still isn't proven, we have large indications that Kirby reverse SFFs the Nintendo fanbase (of which Sonic is now part). Or in other words, is higher on the Nintendo SFF foodchain than just about anyone - though Link and Mario would probably SFF him, and Samus would probably at least do as expected.

But despite that, Kirby's seeming reliance on SFF for his strength makes him more the face of SFF than Link and Mario.

Either that or Sonic loses Nintendo SFF to pretty much every possible Nintendo opponent, which might be true as well.

There's also the possibility that standing out so much from being a pink ball matters more in the 4-way format, because you've got this pink ball vs. 3 other characters who are harder to see. Though you'd think Sonic's bright colors would stand up decently, so I don't know how much this matters.

Right now, even if Sonic ends up barely edging out Kirby, I'm thinking that if there was a 1v1 character contest next year (which there hopefully won't be, I want 1v1 games - though I'd by far prefer 1v1 character over 4-way games, which would be atrocious) I'd take Auron>Sonic. Would anybody else consider that?


Xcarvenger
Up to Cloud > Snake, you have been on the leaderboard for 17 days (14 consecutive)

Thanks :)


WartThaNemesis2
This contest was missing a completely out of nowhere upset that NOBODY could have seen it coming.

Yeah, this would be completely out of nowhere.

While some people were mentioning Kirby taking 2nd here some days ago, I don't think even they were all that serious about it. And I would be surprised if Kirby in 2nd here was even mentioned once in the stats topic pre-contest.

Anyone know of a visionary poster (i.e. a complete lunatic!) who actually talked about Kirby in 2nd here before the contest started?


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Looks like Sonic was determined to lose this match, and Chief being eliminated wasn't going to stop him!

Hah :)
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creativename | Posted 11/16/2008 1:42:24 AM | message detail
Oh I see!

Uh...I don't. What is 60, other than a palindrome of '06?
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vcharon | Posted 11/16/2008 1:44:00 AM | message detail
So during the SNV, a fifth picture will appear in the rotation featuring Sonic the WEREHOG. Surely the werehog will save the day.
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satai_delenn | Posted 11/16/2008 1:44:48 AM | message detail
What in the world is going on in this poll.

So...so Sonic's day vote will help this insanity...right? Right?
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 1:44:51 AM | message detail
Today is match 60 for this year!

Anyone know of a visionary poster (i.e. a complete lunatic!) who actually talked about Kirby in 2nd here before the contest started?

Well, it's not from before the contest started, but it's from before this match started! He wasn't calling for Kirby > Sonic so much as he was wondering when Kirby got so strong though.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=46598196
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creativename | Posted 11/16/2008 1:46:40 AM | message detail
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Oh by the way Luigi beat this guy Luigi for upper tier NN confirmed

I completely forgot about that.

But while I still find it hard to fathom Kirby>Sonic here, I also find it hard to fathom how Kirby could possibly lose a 1000 vote lead to Sonic.

Sonic's good with the morning vote, but Kirby doesn't fall in the day. Relatively speaking, his day vote is probably better than Sonic's. So where exactly does Sonic start coming back?

Sonic's best hope I think is that so far this match has been abnormal, and the day vote will revert back to "normal" strengths. But that's hard to see with Kirby, who really doesn't tend to fall with the sun.
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/16/2008 1:47:08 AM | message detail
Uh...I don't. What is 60, other than a palindrome of '06?
[Sonic]'s lost in match 60 every year since 2k4!

and augh Crono Curse doesn't sound good anymore. must be the palindrome year that's reflecting the Match #60 curse on Sonic >_>
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/16/2008 1:50:23 AM | message detail
As much as I love Sonic, Kirby advancing is freaking awesome.
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 11/16/2008 1:50:23 AM | message detail
I really wouldn't take any non n9 over sonic. For the simple fact that sonic benefits from higher vote totals. 2k6 had less total votes then 2k7 and 2k8. Sonic beat Crono in large part to vote totals. No, auron would not beat Sonic. He got 45% on Crono, who lost to Sonic. Vincent is imo the only one that has a chance to beat a N9 character. Megaman most likely still being the weakest.
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 1:51:23 AM | message detail
Oh, aside from 2k6 that is! He won that Match 60.... >_>
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vcharon | Posted 11/16/2008 1:52:26 AM | message detail
I really wouldn't take any non n9 over sonic. For the simple fact that sonic benefits from higher vote totals. 2k6 had less total votes then 2k7 and 2k8. Sonic beat Crono in large part to vote totals. No, auron would not beat Sonic. He got 45% on Crono, who lost to Sonic. Vincent is imo the only one that has a chance to beat a N9 character. Megaman most likely still being the weakest.

Still the weakest? You mean when he beat Sonic head on in a match a few years ago, right?
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 11/16/2008 1:54:09 AM | message detail
That was 2k5, and it was by a 700 vote margin. Megaman lost to Crono that year by about 1.3%. Sonic beat Crono in 2k6. Sonic also had better % on snake then megaman. Those are clear signs that Sonic > Megaman.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/16/2008 1:55:45 AM | message detail
New question:

Kirby progressing here: More or less predicted than Mewtwo progressing in round 3?
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/16/2008 1:57:06 AM | message detail
Less. Definitely less.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 11/16/2008 1:57:29 AM | message detail
This match doesn't make sense in like seven ways. If Kirby's so great with Nintendo SFF, why did he lose it to Luigi? If Sonic's so weak to Nintendo SFF, how did he pound Luigi so bad?

But I love it!

creative, don't worry about that- SB confirmed the Games Contest for "early" in '09. We don't know if that means Winter or Spring, but in either case there will still be plenty of time for a 1v1 Character Battle in the Summer.

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vcharon | Posted 11/16/2008 1:57:54 AM | message detail
That was 2k5, and it was by a 700 vote margin. Megaman lost to Crono that year by about 1.3%. Sonic beat Crono in 2k6. Sonic also had better % on snake then megaman. Those are clear signs that Sonic > Megaman.

Sure, keep telling yourself that. You think MM would be losing to Kirby in this situation?
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 1:59:04 AM | message detail

MoogleKupo141 (#069)
New question:

Kirby progressing here: More or less predicted than Mewtwo progressing in round 3?



Less!
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Lopen | Posted 11/16/2008 1:59:05 AM | message detail
Kirby had 23% support last round... 1/7 people who took him there to have him keep going? Nah. Not with Chief, Sonic, and whoever was soaking up bracket support in division 8 there. Lowest predicted match ever let's do this.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/16/2008 1:59:35 AM | message detail
Kirby is just starting slow, he will win this whole contest!
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creativename | Posted 11/16/2008 1:59:43 AM | message detail
There are clear signs that's Sonic Team's popularity is severely waning.

Seriously, no way do most here *not* believe Sonic is the weakest NNer. It's like a given at this point. I - and probably many others - wonder if he'd even make the Elite Eleven in terms of 1v1 rankings nowadays, given the other NNers and the Vincent/Squall/Auron trifecta.
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 11/16/2008 2:00:26 AM | message detail
EPIC LULZ RIGHT HERE XD

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=46609676&page=1&tc=rbigsonicfan
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 11/16/2008 2:01:04 AM | message detail
You seriously can't base your entire argument on 4way. For one, some characters have a larger hardcore fanbase then others. Fact is, in the last 1 v 1 matches, Sonic did prove stronger then Crono and megaman.
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/16/2008 2:01:32 AM | message detail
Not going to be lower than L-Block's final % I don't think >_>
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Xuxon | Posted 11/16/2008 2:02:34 AM | message detail
Obviously Dante and Seph voters are very anti-Kirby, like ertyu, so much that Sonic would double Kirby 1v1.
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vcharon | Posted 11/16/2008 2:03:06 AM | message detail
4 way stats are just as viable if you're going to use old stats from 2006, when Sonic has clearly degraded in the past couple of years. Apparently a lot moreso than anyone ever imagined.

I'm not sure why I'm having this conversation with someone who is obviously not an unbiased party.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/16/2008 2:03:51 AM | message detail
I still wonder how Brawl could've hurt Sonic this much.
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creativename | Posted 11/16/2008 2:06:27 AM | message detail
This match doesn't make sense in like seven ways. If Kirby's so great with Nintendo SFF, why did he lose it to Luigi? If Sonic's so weak to Nintendo SFF, how did he pound Luigi so bad?

Yeah, this definitely falls under the "WTF" category as much as any result I can think of.

It just defies explanation. As in, someone attempts to explain it somehow, but it comes back all "DEFIED!"


creative, don't worry about that- SB confirmed the Games Contest for "early" in '09. We don't know if that means Winter or Spring, but in either case there will still be plenty of time for a 1v1 Character Battle in the Summer.

Hmm...I think I'd actually prefer only one contest next year! Only because I end up spending so much time following these contests, and I already have none to spare :( But on the other hand, a 1v1 character contest next year would be cool, since we haven't had one in ages and there's so much we want sorted out.

I think my best case would be 1v1 games in spring, and 1v1 character in fall/winter (similar dates as this contest, basically) '09.
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 11/16/2008 2:07:01 AM | message detail
It's been shown time and time again that certain companies fanbases overlap each other in these formats. You are just choosing to ignore that it seems. How am I biased btw? Like I said, Sonic has proven to be stronger then both in the last 1 v 1 contest.
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 2:07:02 AM | message detail
And that's 1000!
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 2:07:25 AM | message detail
Hmm... Dante finally came in 2nd in an update!
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/16/2008 2:07:49 AM | message detail
You can say what you want about 2k6, but Crono and Mega Man would not be losing to Kirby right now. Well, maybe Crono with Sephiroth here, but Sonic has no excuse. This is downright pathetic.
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vcharon | Posted 11/16/2008 2:08:21 AM | message detail
Sonic_Factor Posted 11/16/2008 5:05:53 AM

How am I biased btw?

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Sonic_Factor | Posted 11/16/2008 2:09:51 AM | message detail
Quoting my name just shows how naive and clueless you are.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/16/2008 2:09:57 AM | message detail
You can say what you want about 2k6, but Crono and Mega Man would not be losing to Kirby right now. Well, maybe Crono with Sephiroth here, but Sonic has no excuse. This is downright pathetic.

I agree, for the first time I agree with most of the other board eighter, this is really weak from Sonic. I hope he doesn't even make it to the next contest, I'm sick of the best character of all time lossing to any random character.
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vcharon | Posted 11/16/2008 2:10:13 AM | message detail
Someone rally Dante all day so Sonic finishes in last. Epic.
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Xuxon | Posted 11/16/2008 2:15:54 AM | message detail
Nah the ralliers need to save their energy for Mario.
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greatone10 | Posted 11/16/2008 2:27:03 AM | message detail
*looks at the poll for the very first time*

Woooooooooow. What on earth has happened to Sonic the Hedgehog, aside from all the crappy sequels and spinoffs.
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 2:38:19 AM | message detail
Wow, a 13.8% update for Sonic.
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voltch | Posted 11/16/2008 3:01:24 AM | message detail
alright this is now just pathetic,Sonic used to be top end stuff but has now sunk so low I'd take lower square top guys like Sora and Auron to beat him head on,Tifa/vincent/squall can crush him.

at least make a comeback to make your loss not so humiliating,the last character i remember having such an epic fall from grace is magus/lara croft.
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Sprottle | Posted 11/16/2008 3:04:52 AM | message detail
More reason why 4 way is a joke. Sonic would murder Kirby normally, does anyone even give a crap anymore with slanted results like this?
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/16/2008 3:09:50 AM | message detail
More reason why 4 way is a joke. Sonic would murder Kirby normally, does anyone even give a crap anymore with slanted results like this?

Considering that there's no sort of _FF working against Sonic here, I don't know what makes you so confident that Sonic would murder Kirby 1 v 1.
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voltch | Posted 11/16/2008 3:13:01 AM | message detail
there's gotta be cool vote SFF going on.

but at this rate sonic's gonna turn into popeye,once as popular as mickey,now ignored and shunned by the masses.
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/16/2008 3:53:30 AM | message detail
Well that was a nice hour of stalling. Wonder how that day vote goes in a few hours.
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