GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 630
| Kullstrom | Posted 11/13/2008 10:48:06 AM | message detail |
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If you believe he's a midcarder then how do you explain getting 30%+ on Link with no SFF? A horribly weak Link or what? --- Look right through me, Look right through me. |
| hailEC | Posted 11/13/2008 10:48:32 AM | message detail |
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Is the idea of Pikachu advancing tomorrow seriously being entertained?
I'd sooner expect Samus to not place than I would Pikachu to. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| hailEC | Posted 11/13/2008 10:49:25 AM | message detail |
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hey look trolls trying to question me I don't bite. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/13/2008 10:53:19 AM | message detail |
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I'd probably side with Zack there. We can question this format for the
next year (and we will), but he's shown me enough to consider him
stronger than Shadow, at least. Dunno how much tougher Knuckles is, but
if Zack can beat one, I have to give him a great chance at beating the
other. --- Yoblazer: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3699/thegamefaqsticketxr8.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/13/2008 10:53:59 AM | message detail |
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Zack was described as the new Magus as early as round 2. His
performance this contest has shown a lot of similarities to Magus 2003,
but I think there's one rather large difference: Zack Fair has never
failed to exceed this board's expectations yet. People downplayed his
strength every match, and claimed he would be exposed in the next
round, and it hasn't happened yet. Magus, on the other hand, has never
managed to exceed this board's expectations, not even in 2003. Magus
"only" getting 66% on Sam Fisher was a disappointment. Magus barely
beating Ganondorf was a big disappointment. And Magus getting 35% on
Link was a disappointment compared to the pre-contest expectations,
which said that Magus had a chance of beating Link. Mario appears not to want to let Zack gain any ground with this DSV. Zack actually won the ASV convincingly against Wario, so even though it's not happening here, let's hope he does the same against Mario! --- Crono's quest to beat Link: 3 days until: Crono vs. Samus vs. Vincent vs. Pikachu |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/13/2008 10:55:30 AM | message detail |
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I don't think anyone is seriously expecting Pikachu to advance
tomorrow. Zack is probably between Aeris and Tifa, closer to Aeris than
Tifa, I think. --- Crono's quest to beat Link: 3 days until: Crono vs. Samus vs. Vincent vs. Pikachu |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/13/2008 10:55:52 AM | message detail |
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I know this is three way LFF and all that, but Zack's impressing the
heck out of me. Or maybe I should say the FFVII fanbase is. Anyone
still want to argue that Random Piece of FFVII Furniture wouldn't break
the fodder line? And Zack's been stalling Mario for a long time now. I know he's probably gonna die in about an hour, but Zack has provided some of the best contest moments of this year (which isn't saying much, but Zack matches have always been fun, if only for the humor content on the board. ZackFAQs, Black-Haired Cloud, Blond-Haired Zack, etc. are great, in my opinion!). And Mario's almost certainly dead next round with Vincent or Crono if he can barely beat Zack here, especially with Samus coming along for the ride. I won't give him a 0% chance because this format is so wonky, but still, it's like a 1% chance at best. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/13/2008 10:57:54 AM | message detail |
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People downplayed his strength every match, and claimed he would be exposed in the next round, and it hasn't happened yet. He really hasn't proven anything other then Wario being really weak. This is his first match (not including Link) with any competition at all in it, and it's against 2 other Nintendo characters who are getting heavily SFFed by Link. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| H__RR____H | Posted 11/13/2008 10:59:20 AM | message detail |
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The only reason he's impressed against Link is because there was
literally no one else in any of the polls (minus Duke who's a joke) for
non Nintendo fans to vote for. If Zack was in any other division, he
would have been eliminated a couple of rounds ago. Zack's still broken 30+% on Link three times in a row now, once with another new-school FF-character in the same match. We also can't fairly say how strong Wario is since his SSBB-debut and Cecil sharing the poll with Zack, though Zack still clearly owned that poll despite these factors. Zack based off of Wario-2k3 (which doesn't account for Mario/Shadow, but also doesn't account for SSBB or Cecil so it's not entirely too high) puts Zack at around Leon's level in 2k6. Zack practically doubled Zidane, which -- even while acknowledging the SFF -- should let Zack win Zidane's four-way from last year against Alucard/Liquid/Ness fairly easily. Zack based off of Link-2k6 puts him at or just under Yuna's level. Zack's FF7-fanbase probably isn't going to let him drop too low except against another FF7-character. I get what you mean about Zack being the only one or one of the only two characters to care about in each poll, but I don't think that matters so much now, especially when Link's been absorbing many apathetic votes for a long time now. Zack couldn't have benefited from that very long or very much as being a distant "second favorite" in a format about your favorite. --- BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now. www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/13/2008 10:59:26 AM | message detail |
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He's proven to be far stronger than most pre-contest estimates.
Remember that Wario > Zack was the popular first round consensus. --- Yoblazer: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3699/thegamefaqsticketxr8.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Kullstrom | Posted 11/13/2008 11:00:13 AM | message detail |
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X is not Nintendo, he does not have an overlap. When are people going
to realise this? And do you have any evidence whatsoever to claim that
he is? --- Look right through me, Look right through me. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/13/2008 11:01:01 AM | message detail |
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X is not Nintendo, he does not have an overlap. who is your daddy and what does he do --- Yoblazer: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3699/thegamefaqsticketxr8.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| The Mana Sword | Posted 11/13/2008 11:01:05 AM | message detail |
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Man, looks like I missed a fun match last night. Mario should start
running away here soon though. Still, great job by Zack. Gotta see him
in this next year. The real match starts tomorrow though, let's do it. --- Kleenex - Not on his computer. |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/13/2008 11:02:02 AM | message detail |
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I wonder how Zack would do 1-on-1... --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 11/13/2008 11:02:53 AM | message detail |
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X is not Nintendo, he does not have an overlap. I don't have the polls handy, but: Link > Mega Man 2004 Mario > Zero 2005 Luigi > Zero 2006 Mega Man franchise and Sonic franchise are pretty much Nintendo franchises on this site. They always get SFFed by stronger Nintendo characters. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/13/2008 11:03:07 AM | message detail |
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Zack vs. Fox 1v1 Who wins? --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/hansen.jpg http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| H__RR____H | Posted 11/13/2008 11:03:37 AM | message detail |
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Link/MM in 2k4, LoZ:MMX in 2k6, probably some other examples..... --- BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now. www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:07:08 AM | message detail |
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Before the contest, the majority of people here thought Wario would
beat Zack. When Zack won, they claimed Wario, Cecil, and Jade were very
weak competition. With Link and Zidane in the poll, Zack would surely
collapse, and if not then, Altair would stop Zack, or at least come
close! Then Zack nearly doubled Zidane and put up over 30% on Link. The
talk of Zack losing in his division stopped, but people were still
confident that all that meant was that Shadow, Zidane, Duke, and Altair
were just really weak, and once Zack ran into real competition, such as
3 Noble Niners, he would collapse. Going into today, Mario was still a heavy favorite. Looking at the crew, Mario was predicted to beat Zack by: 7%, 2%, 10%, 10%, 5%, and 6%. I doubt the Oracle is too different. It's time people gave Zack some credit: he's a strong midcarder, not a Noble Niner breaker, but he has real strength. --- Crono's quest to beat Link: 3 days until: Crono vs. Samus vs. Vincent vs. Pikachu |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/13/2008 11:09:12 AM | message detail |
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Yesterday's chart: Time | Auron | Sonic | Sephiroth | Kratos EBV | 17.80% | 35.61% | 31.29% | 15.30% | (0:00-0:05) PHV | 17.63% | 30.88% | 35.97% | 15.52% | (0:00-1:00) FNV | 18.17% | 27.85% | 38.92% | 15.05% | (1:00-6:00) BSV | 17.35% | 28.80% | 38.52% | 15.32% | (6:00-9:00) DSV | 17.62% | 27.50% | 38.81% | 16.07% | (9:00-14:30) ASV | 16.45% | 28.52% | 38.35% | 16.69% | (14:30-22:00) SNV | 16.92% | 25.20% | 40.17% | 17.71% | (22:00-24:00) Look at that board vote. That's easily Sonic's highlight of the contest. Had a good Power Hour, too, though him and Sephiroth had basically traded percentages at that point. He was pretty consistent the rest of the match, and so was everyone else, really. Even Sephy didn't rise consistently throughout the day. He was at around 38% or so the whole match except for those last two hours. Auron was a little better at night, and Kratos was a little better during the day, but nothing drastic. Yesterday's stats: Sephiroth – 50.00% Sonic the Hedgehog – 42.28% Auron – 30.92% Kratos – 29.48% Division 8 Stats Sephiroth – 50.00% Auron – 45.54% Sonic the Hedgehog – 42.28% Tifa Lockhart – 37.63% Kratos – 36.86% Sub-Zero – 33.89% Sandbag – 27.72% Magus – 27.60% Rydia – 25.68% Jill Valentine – 25.43% Revolver Ocelot – 24.54% Marcus Fenix – 24.27% Ratchet – 22.78% Commander Shepard – 22.40% Nana – 17.98% Heavy – 16.01% You know, except for Auron and Sonic being ridiculously high, I kinda like these stats. They don't seem too far off...As least as far as the proportions of the characters go. They're probably not that accurate relative to Sephy himself. Division 8 Raw Stats Sephiroth – 50.00% Sonic the Hedgehog – 42.28% Tifa Lockhart – 32.57% Auron – 30.92% Kratos – 29.48% Sub-Zero – 23.01% Jill Valentine – 20.34% Ratchet – 19.72% Revolver Ocelot – 19.63% Sandbag – 18.82% Magus – 18.74% Rydia – 17.43% Marcus Fenix – 16.48% Nana – 15.56% Commander Shepard – 15.21% Heavy – 12.81% --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| hailEC | Posted 11/13/2008 11:10:15 AM | message detail |
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Zack really hasn't exceeded my expectations... well except for Round 1,
my pre-contest thoughts on him were just flat out wrong. That's what
happens when you've never played FF7 or Crisis Core I guess. It just
didn't make much sense to me for him to have any semblance of strength
off of what I was informed about him. He was still dangerously close to
Wario in the first round for me to give him too much credit. I think
everyone needs to remember how pathetic Wario really is... and then
take into consideration brawl DE-BOOST. I just don't know how high you
can bring up Wario without it looking completely ridiculous. Jade is an
essential non-factor in that match, though you can make the argument
Cecil was hurting Zack. Not that we've ever seen anything that actually
shows pre-FF7 FF overlapping with post-FF7 stuff, but his presence more
than likely did hurt Zack more than Wario. I'm not willing to say it
was a huge factor though. And more importantly... it doesn't really matter what expectations where. They're pretty meaningless. I'd rather go off what the matches tell me, though in Zack's case it's very difficult to figure out with all the fodder/SFF going on. Still, I think you can make a reasonable inference to the general range Zack is in based off of how much characters have been able to benefit from 3 way fanbase splits, and it's not anywhere in the realm of MMX. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 11/13/2008 11:10:38 AM | message detail |
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And again, I think Zack is benefiting mostly from FFVII hardcore
fanbase votes. I mean, the guy's still getting 20%+ despite going from
Duke and Altair to Mario and X. That's a big difference. One-on-one,
Zack would probably still be a decent midcarder just because he's FFVII. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Temporarily Sidetracked |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/13/2008 11:11:13 AM | message detail |
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Rydia finishing better then Jill seems a bit odd. --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/hansen.jpg http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:15:50 AM | message detail |
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Well, Zack hasn't exceeded my expectations either- I had him over Mario
for a couple of days when first filling out my bracket, after all. I'm
just saying that a lot of the reasoning I've seen for Zack being weaker
than he appears is based on several things all being true....and Zack
being a strong midcarder, a little below the bottom of near-elite
level, is just a much simpler, and probably more accurate, explanation. --- Crono's quest to beat Link: 3 days until: Crono vs. Samus vs. Vincent vs. Pikachu |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/13/2008 11:16:11 AM | message detail |
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So it would be seeded like this... (1) Sephiroth (16) Heavy (8) Ratchet (9) Revolver Ocelot (5) Kratos (12) Rydia (4) Auron (13) Marcus Fenix (6) Sub-Zero (11) Magus (3) Tifa Lockhart (14) Nana (7) Jill Valentine (10) Sandbag (2) Sonic the Hedgehog (15) Commander Shepard Meh. --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/13/2008 11:16:34 AM | message detail |
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Ratchet – 19.72% Revolver Ocelot – 19.63% Sandbag – 18.82% Magus – 18.74% *laughs hysterically and wipes away tear* Oh, man! --- Yoblazer: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3699/thegamefaqsticketxr8.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Megaman703 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:21:36 AM | message detail |
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I know all the trends going on in this match. I know what the ASV does. I know we're talking about Mario. Why do I have such a bad feeling about this? --- "Your daddy was quite the warrior. Do you measure up to him?" "I don't know. I didn't bring my ruler." |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/13/2008 11:21:43 AM | message detail |
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Three Zack cuts in a row time for the ultimate ASV surprise --- Yoblazer: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3699/thegamefaqsticketxr8.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/13/2008 11:22:24 AM | message detail |
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From: Megaman703 | #176 I have a feeling Mario is gonna bomb with the ASV... he BARELY did anything with the morning vote, his trademark --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/hansen.jpg http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| voltch | Posted 11/13/2008 11:23:43 AM | message detail |
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just had a thought,for the games contest people are bound to complain that there will be too many FFs. but the ones that will probably be in the contest are:FFVII,FFIV,FFVI,FFX,FFT and huh FF. but then what's the bet no one will bat an eyelid over Mario games? on a 64/128 field how many plumber games do you think can be crammed into the contest? SMB,SMW,SMB3,SMG,SM64,MK64. about the same number there yet the one which has the same character won't be whined about by an actual series. So,sheesh talk about double standards. --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:24:08 AM | message detail |
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Time to own this ASV, Hero of Time! (And let Zack take a small slice of it so he can beat Mario) --- Crono's quest to beat Link: 3 days until: Crono vs. Samus vs. Vincent vs. Pikachu |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/13/2008 11:25:59 AM | message detail |
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Four cuts. Zack is going into his final stretching routine now. The fangirls are oohing and aahing. --- Yoblazer: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3699/thegamefaqsticketxr8.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 11/13/2008 11:26:15 AM | message detail |
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I really want Zack to win this, even if I do hate FF. Would be
hilarious. Not going to happen though, the drones will pull it out. --- JUSTICE FOR FD I use to worry about a McCain presidency but after playing some Fallout 3 I feel I could survive well enough. - ISS |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/13/2008 11:26:44 AM | message detail |
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If this ends up close in the final hours.. who will have more "Rallying" power? --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/hansen.jpg http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:27:29 AM | message detail |
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Mario is pretty much the most clutch character ever, but he hasn't been tested in 5 years, so hopefully he's lost it! --- Crono's quest to beat Link: 3 days until: Crono vs. Samus vs. Vincent vs. Pikachu |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/13/2008 11:28:25 AM | message detail |
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If this ends up close in the final hours.. who will have more "Rallying" power? oh how I laughed --- Yoblazer: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3699/thegamefaqsticketxr8.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/13/2008 11:32:22 AM | message detail |
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I'm getting 4chan involved, lets see how it effects this next update --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/hansen.jpg http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| transience | Posted 11/13/2008 11:33:00 AM | message detail |
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Zack is probably about at Fox's level, between that and Aeris. he might
be slightly higher, but I dunno. 1-on-1 is a bit of a different story
for someone like Zack. he's proved he's legit. he hasn't proved he's stronger than Mega Man. --- xyzzy http://img.imgcake.com/samusvsganondorfvsvincentvsgordon.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:33:03 AM | message detail |
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Please don't......on the slight chance we could get to see a good match without rallying. --- Crono's quest to beat Link: 3 days until: Crono vs. Samus vs. Vincent vs. Pikachu |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/13/2008 11:33:53 AM | message detail |
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From: red sox 777 | #188 4chan was already rallying Zack last night. any close match has rallying whether you like it or not --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/hansen.jpg http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| charmander6000 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:35:02 AM | message detail |
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Let's do this Mario. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Character Battle 2008: Points 263/384 Today's Match: Link > Mario |
| Gaddswell | Posted 11/13/2008 11:36:58 AM | message detail |
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From looking back, Mario definitely seems to be Mr. Rally guy. His seem stronger than Frog's! --- http://www.court-records.net/manga/4koma/(eng)4koma2.png |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/13/2008 11:37:10 AM | message detail |
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Spoilers forums, GO! --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/hansen.jpg http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| Kullstrom | Posted 11/13/2008 11:40:30 AM | message detail |
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Link > Mega Man 2004 Mario > Zero 2005 Luigi > Zero 2006 MM is worth no more than 32% on Link and went on to show that in the years that followed. How is 37% on Mario in his strongest year bad for Zero? If anything its exactly what he should be getting. Luigi is more popular than Zero unless you think Vivi would beat him? He won with 53% which is hardly a suspicious blowout either. This "theory" was invented in 2004 and has been spammed ever since any time MM performs badly and theres a Nintendo character nearby to "explain" this. Sonic is a bad comparison given that the character himself is the same genre as Mario characters, appears in Smash bros alongside the entire Nintendo cast and also shares an Olympics game with Mario. MM is what Nes and Snes attatchment? So does Kefka get SFF'd by Mario too? Theres minor overlap everywhere but its not significant in this case, MM just sucks a lot more these days than you'd care to accept. --- Look right through me, Look right through me. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:41:17 AM | message detail |
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Unlike Frog, who limits his comebacks to rallying a few hundred voters,
Mario is willing to do whatever it takes to win, from front page
linking on major websites to corrupting the GameFAQs administration to
help him, to infiltrating the decisions of Nintendo itself. --- Crono's quest to beat Link: 3 days until: Crono vs. Samus vs. Vincent vs. Pikachu |
| transience | Posted 11/13/2008 11:41:51 AM | message detail |
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can you tell he's a Crono fan y/n --- xyzzy http://img.imgcake.com/samusvsganondorfvsvincentvsgordon.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:43:23 AM | message detail |
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Mega Man wasn't considered to be low tier Noble Nine until 2006. See Mega Man vs. Yoshi in 2005 for more SFF examples. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Character Battle 2008: Points 263/384 Today's Match: Link > Mario |
| MartrebnoR | Posted 11/13/2008 11:43:29 AM | message detail |
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| voltch | Posted 11/13/2008 11:43:48 AM | message detail |
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has mario ever lost a very close match? --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 11/13/2008 11:44:56 AM | message detail |
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Megaman also beat Snake with 57% in 2004.....it's probable he was considerably stronger that year than since 2006. --- Crono's quest to beat Link: 3 days until: Crono vs. Samus vs. Vincent vs. Pikachu |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 11/13/2008 11:45:25 AM | message detail |
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Mega Man has always been at that level --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/hansen.jpg http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
