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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 621

HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/6/2008 6:01:24 PM | message detail

From: hailEC | #298
guru champ needs to pick Reno for the next contest. then we pray we get a Reno/Cloud match-up and use this pic http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f344/LoveBasket2/kissme.jpg



if I had won it, I likely woulda nommed either Cid or Reno. Prolly Reno though
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2008 6:02:33 PM | message detail
Nominate Seifer.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:03:09 PM | message detail
Nominate ANYONE from Final Fantasy VIII, please.
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Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
hailEC | Posted 11/6/2008 6:03:30 PM | message detail
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 11/6/2008 6:05:15 PM | message detail
I forget how his last name is pronounced but i would nominate Zell Dintch (sp?)
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/6/2008 6:05:26 PM | message detail
From: LeonhartFour | #302
Nominate ANYONE from Final Fantasy VIII, please.

gilgamesh is in FF8 let's do this
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/6/2008 6:06:16 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #303
Nominate ANYONE from Final Fantasy VIII, please.



Selphie just to see how weak a FF playable character can be imo
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:07:09 PM | message detail
I'll take it.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/6/2008 6:09:40 PM | message detail
In all seriousness I have no idea why Seifer hasn't made it in yet. I find it very hard to believe someone like Tanner was able to get enough noms but Seifer hasn't.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 11/6/2008 6:11:31 PM | message detail
Yeah plus Seifer also made it into Kingdom Hearts 2 (although that game wasn't exactly great). So i'm surprised he didn't get in yet.
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transients | Posted 11/6/2008 6:12:59 PM | message detail
Seifer would get killed.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:14:38 PM | message detail
He can get killed. I don't care! I just want another FFVIII guy in. Three FFIV people, three FFVI people, three FFIX people. FFVIII at least deserves two.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2008 6:16:23 PM | message detail
Seifer would get killed.

Besides FFVII characters I don't think any new characters won't get killed.

Maybe Charizard.
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transients | Posted 11/6/2008 6:17:20 PM | message detail
yeah, that's fine to get some more representation.

but there's a reason we've never seen anything else from FF8.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:17:48 PM | message detail
Not confident in Charizard in doing TOO well after Mewtwo's showing last round. He probably wouldn't be fodder though.
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:19:33 PM | message detail
but there's a reason we've never seen anything else from FF8.

It took us several years to get Tifa, Vincent, and Sub-Zero in these contests! Seifer could be decent!

Or Laguna!

Or Zell!

Zell more for favoritism!
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transients | Posted 11/6/2008 6:20:40 PM | message detail
you know as well as I do that they never got in because there were other representatives. Sub's a bit different, but even then there were no questions.

there are questions galore about random FF8 characters.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:21:12 PM | message detail
What better way to answer the questions than to get one in!
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transients | Posted 11/6/2008 6:21:38 PM | message detail
I won't fall for this!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:24:34 PM | message detail
At the very least, another character deserves ONE chance!

Personally, I'd rather Laguna got in over Seifer because I think he's much more likable, but it doesn't matter! He can't be worse than a lot of the stuff we got in the contest this year!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/6/2008 6:25:03 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #313
Seifer would get killed.

Besides FFVII characters I don't think any new characters won't get killed.

Maybe Charizard.



Darth Revan
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/6/2008 6:26:45 PM | message detail
Oh and I'm gonna be rallying hard to get illidan in next year. For years Warcraft fans have debated if Arthas or Illy is the best Warcraft character, and he's nearly as popular or as popular as Arthas to the Warcraft fanbase. I really wanna see how he would do.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 11/6/2008 6:29:56 PM | message detail
FFVIII is absolute turd, but so is the rest of the series. Seems only 'fair' that it gets another rep. Especially when IV got a few...and the main character of that game got tripled by Kirby.
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/6/2008 6:51:14 PM | message detail
hey guys i just saw the pics and...

oh you guys already spent a page on it which describes how i feel

alrighty then
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 11/6/2008 6:53:00 PM | message detail
Seifer and Rinoa for the next FFVIII character to get in the contest.

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with Rinoa?

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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:53:24 PM | message detail
At least the Division 4 pics I've seen so far don't look quite as bad as those.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:54:18 PM | message detail
I don't have a problem with Rinoa, and I think, overall, the hate factor is overrated for her. She'd do decently for a FFVIII character.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 11/6/2008 6:54:29 PM | message detail
Could be, i didn't hate her personality, but gameplay wise she was terrible.

Also in ff9 the princess was basically a freakin chibi-Rinoa.....
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:55:48 PM | message detail
Gameplay wise? Bah, Angelo Limit Breaks are great! If your party was anything other than Squall, Zell, and Rinoa, you were wasting your time!
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ZFS | Posted 11/6/2008 6:56:08 PM | message detail
Doubt the FFVIII characters would be worth very much. Seems like every year people rally for one of them, too.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:56:38 PM | message detail
Only since 2006!
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_Hogger_ | Posted 11/6/2008 6:57:31 PM | message detail
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_Hogger_ | Posted 11/6/2008 6:57:44 PM | message detail
My main party was Squall/Zell/Irvine
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 11/6/2008 6:58:00 PM | message detail
Thats the thing, Angelo's limits were terrible for me.

I used a team of Squall, Zell, and (god forbid) Quistis. Quistis has some bad limits, but Bad Breath simplified and won me many battles than launching a stupid dog...
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/6/2008 6:58:36 PM | message detail
I don't have a problem with Rinoa, either. The likes of Seifer and Laguna can't possibly be worse than a good portion of the losers that got in this year.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2008 6:58:51 PM | message detail
Degenerator for Quistis makes up for all the other trashy ones.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/6/2008 6:59:11 PM | message detail
Speaking of Quistis....Degenerator anyone?
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_Hogger_ | Posted 11/6/2008 7:00:26 PM | message detail
next year Lightning will be in the contest obviously. How do you think she'll do?
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ZFS | Posted 11/6/2008 7:03:26 PM | message detail
Depends on how well-received FFXIII is.

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_Hogger_ | Posted 11/6/2008 7:08:59 PM | message detail
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TJF confirmed
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 11/6/2008 7:14:08 PM | message detail
TJF, she looks like Cloud, she's an FF main and a gun? How can she fail?

Link killer imo.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2008 8:51:28 PM | message detail
Match LI: Samus Aran vs. Ganondorf vs. Vincent Valentine vs. Gordon Freeman

Last Round:

Samus Aran – 40.21%
Ganondorf – 24.63%
Frog – 19.93%
Nightmare – 15.24%

Just like last year Nightmare does well against weak competition yet folds to anyone with strength. Despite being held back Samus was still able to break 40% in this match though like Mario she wasn’t able to cause Ganondorf to look weaker, relatively speaking. Even though Frog was never in the match he was still able to look good against the weaker Samus and Ganondorf.

Vincent Valentine – 40.05%
Gordon Freeman – 24.49%
Scorpion – 18.94%
Falco Lombardi – 16.53%

In a match that looked eerily similar to Samus’ match we see that Falco was the Nightmare in this group though at least he was able to look better. Also Scorpion went from beating Freeman to losing by a lot over the round, was the picture and the absence of another PC character the cause?

Analysis:

I don’t think people really understand how close this match will get; we could potentially have a fight for first and third at the same time. I guess people forget the effect LFF can have on two characters. Also note the percent the winners and runner-ups got against each other, so if one gets the upset the other will likely follow.

The match for third will be between Ganondorf and Gordon Freeman. Naturally it is easily assumed that Ganondorf will walk all over Freeman however with Samus in the poll things will get interesting. Notice that Ganondorf while he won didn’t exactly crushed Frog like he was suppose to, well last year Scorpion defeated Frog and this year Freeman defeated Scorpion by more than Ganondorf defeated Frog so you can see how things are favouring him.

On the other side of things it looked like Frog may have performed better this year compared to last year and the picture that Scorpion received last round probably caused Freeman to over perform. Still things don’t look great for Ganondorf which means things don’t look great for Samus either.

The main attraction is Samus vs. Vincent. Normally Samus should have no problems in beating Vincent however like Ganondorf LFF is making this much more exciting. Since Samus has faced Frog in multiple occasions using him can give anything from a Samus win to a Vincent win, but this value will probably be the most accurate. Using what Frog got against Ganondorf in round 1 and Ganondorf against Samus either by using 2007 x-stats or the results of round 2, both are really similar and compare it to what Samus got against Frog in round 2 we see that regular Samus beats LFF Samus by about 58.5/41.5. We then use Vincent’s 2007 value which is about the average of his 2005 and 2006 values and the end result is a Vincent win by about 53/47.

So for someone who was thought to be the favourite Samus now has an upward battle to fight. One thing is that it is really hard to work with fanbase overlap because one day fans could favour one character more than the other and the other day the reverse could be true. For Samus to win she’ll need fans to favour her more than Ganondorf compare to last round and hope random variation such as match picture and voter turnout support her more than Vincent.

While Nintendo characters took a hard hit going from round 2 to round 3 (the number went from 21 to 9 compare to 35 to 21) many of the remaining characters are on this half of the bracket (7) and now is the time that you don’t want LFF affecting the result. Still both characters that were expected to advance are going to, but the order may be different though like we saw last year eventually someone who wasn’t suppose to advance is going to take advantage of LFF and do so.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Samus > Vincent

charmander6000’s Prediction: Vincent – 32.26%, Samus – 31.74%, Gordon – 18.16%, Ganondorf – 17.84%
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/6/2008 8:54:01 PM | message detail
Gordon over Ganon would be one of the best results yet
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From: _Hogger_ | Posted: 11/6/2008 10:08:59 PM | #340
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TJF confirmed



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Gaddswell | Posted 11/6/2008 8:56:38 PM | message detail
What's with all the FF8 talk all of a sudden!

Anyways, didn't people try nominating Rinoa for the female bracket back in 2k6?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 11/6/2008 8:57:14 PM | message detail
I'm going with the theory that Samus Aran > Mario when not facing him and will outperform him this round.

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charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2008 8:58:05 PM | message detail
Gordon over Ganon would be one of the best results yet

If Vincent beats Samus, Gordon will most likely beat Ganondorf, look at the percents they got last round.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/6/2008 8:59:33 PM | message detail

From: Gaddswell | #345
What's with all the FF8 talk all of a sudden!

Anyways, didn't people try nominating Rinoa for the female bracket back in 2k6?



Yeah I forgot she was snubbed then

If Rinoa couldnt get into a Female only bracket, with such lamers as Jade (Bg&e) and Daisy got in, she'll never get in
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TestIcicles | Posted 11/6/2008 9:00:11 PM | message detail
samus > cloud confirmed

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transients | Posted 11/6/2008 9:00:26 PM | message detail
Samus Aran 33.33% 4
Ganondorf 0% 0
Vincent Valentine 33.33% 4
Gordon Freeman 33.33% 4
TOTAL VOTES 12


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