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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 9:41:53 PM | message detail
Unless you mean Ryu Hayabusa, then Zack might be a tiny bit higher then him

But Street Fighter Ryu? Totally different league
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__hiei__ | Posted 11/5/2008 9:43:29 PM | message detail
uh..ok

what exactly proves that Ryu SF is on a "Totally different league" from Zack?

i think people are underestimating Zack here.
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:44:22 PM | message detail
I think you're overestimating Zack. The guy's done well, no doubt about that, but he's not in that league yet.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 9:44:52 PM | message detail
Ryu from SF is around top 15. Zack isn't up there.
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/5/2008 9:45:03 PM | message detail
Crono, Vincent, or L-Block

Out of those three, only Vincent and the SUPER block that have a realistic chance to beat SFF'd Mario. Crono is going to get stomped hard in Link/Samus/Mario/Crono tbqh

but why think about Vince and the block when Crono is going to beat both of them in the Quarter anyway giving Mario a free pass to the final? (yea right)

and I don't think Samus is enough for Cloud > Link to happen, not if Snake is in the final (which is very likely).
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:45:05 PM | message detail
Ryu is out of Zack's league? Zack got a bit over 22% against Link, Duke, and Altair. Ryu got a bit under 24% against Crono, L-Block, and Amaterasu. L is far stronger than Duke and Ammy is probably stronger than Altair, but the large margin between Link and Crono should make up for that and more.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 9:45:50 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #056
Ryu is out of Zack's league? Zack got a bit over 22% against Link, Duke, and Altair. Ryu got a bit under 24% against Crono, L-Block, and Amaterasu. L is far stronger than Duke and Ammy is probably stronger than Altair, but the large margin between Link and Crono should make up for that and more.



I don't see Zack putting up 55% against a noble niner in 1v1, sorry.
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/5/2008 9:46:04 PM | message detail
Looks like X is gonna try to retake the lead here as the power hour ends!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 9:46:11 PM | message detail
*45%
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paraboxx | Posted 11/5/2008 9:46:38 PM | message detail
Would Ryu have gotten 23% in Zack's place yesterday?

Not that it matters, of course. (static fanbase Zackfaqs believe)
YoAriel33 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:46:40 PM | message detail
What we've seen so far suggests Zack hits 30% on Link. Ryu shouldn't do much better.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/5/2008 9:46:58 PM | message detail
Link > Crono, but L-block and Amaterasu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Altair and Duke.

Once again, I think people are underestimating JUST HOW WEAK division 1 was. Zack was basically the "Not Link" option. He's legit, but he won't be beating any top 20 characters any time soon. 2006 Haybusa is his ceiling.
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__hiei__ | Posted 11/5/2008 9:47:07 PM | message detail
Crono is going to get stomped hard in Link/Samus/Mario/Crono tbqh

you're joking right?

Crono advances very easily there. Mario won't be even close and Samus will be looking like Jade Curtiss.
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:47:09 PM | message detail
You can't trust L-Block matches, you should know this.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:47:23 PM | message detail
I assume you mean 45%, but Ryu hasn't done that against a Noble Niner since 2004. He put up 42.6% against Crono, in a format that he's supposed to be good at.....
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 9:47:43 PM | message detail

From: paraboxx | #060
Would Ryu have gotten 23% in Zack's place yesterday?

Not that it matters, of course. (static fanbase Zackfaqs believe)



Easily. It was 2 lower mid carders, and Link. This is what I'd project if Ryu was there:

Link - 45%
Ryu - 27%
Duke - 16%
Altair - 12%
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/5/2008 9:49:02 PM | message detail
you're joking right?

Crono advances very easily there. Mario won't be even close and Samus will be looking like Jade Curtiss.


Are you looking at Link/Mario/Samus matches other than from the battle royale 2006?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:49:04 PM | message detail
Chief about equal to Snake
Kirby beat Chief
Big Boss murdered Kirby
Therefore, Big Boss would beat Snake, and is actually the contest's #3.

I see little wrong with this.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 9:49:54 PM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #068
Chief about equal to Snake
Kirby beat Chief
Big Boss murdered Kirby
Therefore, Big Boss would beat Snake, and is actually the contest's #3.

I see little wrong with this.



Don't forget Kirby beat L last year!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/5/2008 9:49:55 PM | message detail
Albion is right for a change. Zack benfitted from having turbofodder competition in every match, and being a Final Fantasy 7 character in a poll with Link. He was "Not Link" so to speak, since the rest of the characters in division 1 were worthless. Seriously, when the third strongest character in a division is Duke ****ing Nukem, you know that it is a pretty weakass division.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:50:15 PM | message detail
I see some serious Link underestimation in this topic. Prediction: Link fails to SFF Mario and Samus badly the next 2 rounds, while Cloud dismantles Snake and Sephiroth, leading to lots of Cloud > Link hype, before Link wins comfortably in the finals again (but closer than the last proper Link/Cloud which was held on the day TP came out).
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paraboxx | Posted 11/5/2008 9:50:22 PM | message detail
Easily. It was 2 lower mid carders, and Link.

Uhh, that's what I was trying to say, lol. I think Ryu scores higher than Zack there too.
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:50:26 PM | message detail
Big Boss > Link confirmed
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CP724 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:50:42 PM | message detail
Mario/Link/X SFF will make Zack look stronger. Zack will stand out like a sore thumb there.

I know, that's what I meant. He should do a lot better relative to Link than previous rounds. I bet he avoids being doubled by him pretty easily.
__hiei__ | Posted 11/5/2008 9:51:15 PM | message detail
uh

its triple nintendo SFF between three noble niners

anyone with ..say, top 20 strength would advance in that fourpack (assuming not nintendo as well obviously)
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/5/2008 9:52:58 PM | message detail
It's entirely possible he'll fold under the increased competition though. If he wants to be seen as legit, he has to score more than 30% relative to Link there, something that people around where I think he is should have no trouble doing with all the SFF flying around.
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/5/2008 9:53:05 PM | message detail
Crono was SFF'd pretty badly by Link in their two meetings IIRC
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/5/2008 9:54:29 PM | message detail
Not really. He and Vincent were close enough already in the 2k6 stats, Link/Zero SFF is just the straw that broke the camel's back in that situation.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:54:35 PM | message detail
And going back to the Link/Duke/Altair vs. Crono/L-Block/Ammy comparison: it may not seem that the gap between Link/Crono is larger than between L and Duke, but because Link and Crono (especially Link) are pulling in more percentage, they matter more in terms of its influence on the match.
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__hiei__ | Posted 11/5/2008 9:54:42 PM | message detail
Crono and Link LFF each other but not by all that much

in fact back when it was one on one Crono got a good result against Link (was it 37%?)
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/5/2008 9:56:04 PM | message detail
Magus got 35%!
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paraboxx | Posted 11/5/2008 9:56:05 PM | message detail
*bothers to check the poll results again*

...when did X get over 30.5?
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 9:57:37 PM | message detail

From: paraboxx | #082
*bothers to check the poll results again*

...when did X get over 30.5?



dudes been cutting Mario last couple updates
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/5/2008 9:57:50 PM | message detail
And going back to the Link/Duke/Altair vs. Crono/L-Block/Ammy comparison: it may not seem that the gap between Link/Crono is larger than between L and Duke, but because Link and Crono (especially Link) are pulling in more percentage, they matter more in terms of its influence on the match.

That's like saying Link/Jade Curtiss/Tanner is stronger than Crono/Mega Man/Sonic because Link is pulling in more percentage and is clearly stronger than the other 3.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 9:59:43 PM | message detail
Except you know, that Link wouldn't come close to breaking 50% on Crono/Megaman/Sonic, and that Duke and Altair are way stronger than Jade Curtiss and Tanner.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/5/2008 10:01:54 PM | message detail
I suppose that Division 1 can be compared to thye Southern Division in 2002. When you have it that one of the strongest characters in the division gets destroyed, something's wrong. Division 1, just like 2k2's South Division, is a weak-ass division.
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/5/2008 10:01:55 PM | message detail
'bout time Mario gained again!
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/5/2008 10:03:16 PM | message detail
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/5/2008 10:05:02 PM | message detail
According to last year, this is the rank of who's more impressive in withstanding Link's SFF:

Mario (37.9%) > Crono (31.2%) > Samus (30%)

so I don't see why Mario will lose to Crono under Link, unless you think that Samus will hurt Mario that much more than she will hurt Crono.

hey, at least we're probably gonna get a Mario/Crono classic there especially with CTDS drawing very close at that date (yeah, go away Vincent and Block!)
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 10:05:40 PM | message detail
No X don't die, take the lead at least for a little bit :(
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 10:06:15 PM | message detail
1. Brawl Deboost
2. Mario/Samus LFF
3. Lack of Crono/Vincent LFF (although it was a minor factor).
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 11/5/2008 10:10:45 PM | message detail
Easily. It was 2 lower mid carders, and Link. This is what I'd project if Ryu was there:

Link - 45%
Ryu - 27%
Duke - 16%
Altair - 12%


So...Ryu > Vincent by a huge margin?

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2901&num=4
ZFS | Posted 11/5/2008 10:12:28 PM | message detail
Need to see how well Mario does next round before saying anything about the semis, not that it'll likely matter with the Block there. It all depends on if he can hold up as well as he did last year. I think he can, but it wouldn't be all that surprising if he can't.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 10:12:56 PM | message detail

From: Lieutenant Kettch | #092
Easily. It was 2 lower mid carders, and Link. This is what I'd project if Ryu was there:

Link - 45%
Ryu - 27%
Duke - 16%
Altair - 12%


So...Ryu > Vincent by a huge margin?

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2901&num=4



I don't really trust the stats of that match from last year cuz of all the stuffing for bidoof and complete dismantle of Zelda.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 11/5/2008 10:19:03 PM | message detail
Now you're just throwing things out there. Bidoof stuffing has no effect whatsoever on the Link/Vincent percentage, and Zelda being there could in no way help Link against Vincent. You could just say you don't trust last year's matches and be more credible than that.
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 10:20:50 PM | message detail
Well I'm sorry that a match that had a stupid buckteeth pokemon beating vincent for the first hour is kinda untrusthworthy for me
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/5/2008 10:24:25 PM | message detail
Okay then, just look at the other twenty-three hours.
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Lopen | Posted 11/5/2008 10:49:02 PM | message detail
Yeah, I don't know, I don't really think judging Zack through his performance against Link is a good idea at all right now. Zack's wading through a division of fodder. Guy beat only beat Wario like 60-40 by the stats, do you think Wario would only be 60-40ed by guys at around 30% on Link? Yeah, didn't think so.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/5/2008 10:52:06 PM | message detail
Wario's had reason to boost and Zack had Cecil in the poll. It's not bad at all for Zack to pull such an upset so easily.
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Lopen | Posted 11/5/2008 10:55:47 PM | message detail
I don't buy Wario being able to hang with the likes of 2k6 Ryu Hayabusa, and I don't buy Cecil dragging Zack down enough to put Wario too much lower. Honestly give all of Cecil's percent to Zack then you've got about the proportion I'd expect SF Ryu to get on Wario.
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