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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 620

Chaotic Mind | Posted 11/5/2008 1:01:17 AM | message detail
If you don't care to argue any more than stop arguing, and stop complaining about how we should let all these different version characters in since X got in.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 1:02:24 AM | message detail
I meant I didn't care anymore to argue about what his official name in the game is.
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Calintares | Posted 11/5/2008 1:06:49 AM | message detail
The relation between MM/X is about the same as the relation between Solid Snake and Naked Snake. they are similar characters in similar games, but it different times, and different personality.

As for the different versions of Link, they all share the same exact (lack of) personality, and it would make no difference it they were one character. Also, the games hint at it being the same Link being reincarnated.

If you want to nominate Dark Samus, go ahead, they are different characters.
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/5/2008 1:12:12 AM | message detail
Wow. Link might actually dip under 50% here!
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/5/2008 1:13:57 AM | message detail
here comes the Duke's power hour (4th to 5th hour)
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 11/5/2008 1:18:26 AM | message detail
The relation between MM/X is about the same as the relation between Solid Snake and Naked Snake. they are similar characters in similar games, but it different times, and different personality.

As for the different versions of Link, they all share the same exact (lack of) personality, and it would make no difference it they were one character. Also, the games hint at it being the same Link being reincarnated.

If you want to nominate Dark Samus, go ahead, they are different characters.


This.
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/5/2008 1:24:27 AM | message detail
I like how Aitair's gotten 28 votes per update in the last 4 updates
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/5/2008 1:37:26 AM | message detail
And Link is under 50%!
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Calintares | Posted 11/5/2008 2:33:03 AM | message detail
Altair cut
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/5/2008 2:50:13 AM | message detail
woo Link only gained 14 votes on Zack there!
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CP724 | Posted 11/5/2008 3:00:16 AM | message detail
This is looking almost identical to last round for Zack and Link
satai_delenn | Posted 11/5/2008 3:57:03 AM | message detail
aww yeah Zack

Werewolf Vincent

Chaos nomination rally let's go.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2008 5:31:47 AM | message detail
Glad to see Zack's doing so well. Here's hoping he can still do well next round!
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Guess how many teens | Posted 11/5/2008 5:52:14 AM | message detail
O-o am I crazy for thinking Link>Zack next round is actually possible?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2008 5:54:24 AM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Sephiroth | Tifa | Kratos | Jill V.
EBV | 35.86% | 22.25% | 24.92% | 16.97% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 38.18% | 22.40% | 23.87% | 15.54% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 39.31% | 23.29% | 22.01% | 15.39% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 40.78% | 20.79% | 24.07% | 14.36% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 42.43% | 19.04% | 24.69% | 13.84% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 42.92% | 18.43% | 25.18% | 13.47% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 42.74% | 19.67% | 24.13% | 13.47% | (22:00-24:00)

Even Kratos's board vote is no match for Sephy's in badness. Sephy, of course, recovered throughout the day and gradually strengthened as time went along. Tifa started off strong, but dropped off pretty drastically during the day. Basically, it seems like everything Sephy gained, he took from her. Kratos also gradually strengthened as the day went along, but it wasn't as drastic as usual. Jill was, of course, strongest at night and had an excellent board vote. The day was unkind to her though.

Yesterday's stats:

Sephiroth – 50.00%
Kratos – 36.86%
Tifa Lockhart – 32.57%
Jill Valentine – 25.43%

Division 8, Lower Half

Sephiroth – 50.00%
Tifa Lockhart – 37.63%
Kratos – 36.86%
Jill Valentine – 25.43%
Revolver Ocelot – 24.54%
Ratchet – 22.78%
Nana – 17.98%
Heavy – 16.01%

I gave Tifa her round 1 value on Sephiroth, so she ends up a bit above Kratos here. Ratchet is lookin' way too high here, but I don't really know what else to do with him. I guess I could adjust him based on this round's Tifa, but that wouldn't be consistent extrapolation. Plus, I don't want to give him a value based on SFF, even if it would (probably) be more accurate. Same with Nana. Heavy ended up at the bottom of this half, even below her.
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redrocket | Posted 11/5/2008 5:54:58 AM | message detail
Oh man what is this?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/image/588479.html?gf=51

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Jose Escamilla | Posted 11/5/2008 5:57:17 AM | message detail
Go Zack!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/5/2008 6:00:09 AM | message detail
Also, from the looks of how far Zack is ahead of Duke, Wario's going to end up as the number 3 character in the division, even ahead of Marth. Zidane is lookin' to be equal with the Duke right now and ahead of Kefka. Nice stuff there.
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hellfire104 | Posted 11/5/2008 6:09:04 AM | message detail
Aww yea! top 10 here I come.
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H__RR____H | Posted 11/5/2008 6:21:37 AM | message detail
For what it's worth about Ratchet, R&C did win the PS3-GotY and was the runner-up for PSP-GotY last year (which was ported to the PS2 this year). It doesn't hurt that Ratchet actually beat somebody this year, either, even if it was just Nana. Not to say those mean a lot since R&CF:ToD was only able to beat Crysis in the 2007-GotY and Nana was a joke (not joke character), but that's good reason to think Ratchet should improve. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on adjusting, considering he will finish low anyway.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
H__RR____H | Posted 11/5/2008 6:27:52 AM | message detail
I think today's poll begs the question: if Link was replaced by a more neutral NN'er (let's go with Mega Man). how would Shadow have done this division? Would he have beaten Zidane like we almost unanimously expected? Would he have beaten Zack still? Or did Shadow bomb simply because of himself and Link isn't to blame for how he did (or didn't) perform?

Wario looks a lot better now that Zack's done well, but I don't think Wario should be the true #3. Shadow was just unfortunate enough to share such an overlap with Link. I think this division still gets Zack for second, but Shadow should have been able to not only fight Zack but do better than Wario, Duke, or Zidane did.
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www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 6:31:33 AM | message detail
Shadow probably edges out Zidane I think, but he still gets crushed by Zack (worse than 60-40).
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 6:59:07 AM | message detail

From: redrocket | #316
Oh man what is this?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/image/588479.html?gf=51



This should shut up that guy saying his name is X for sure lol
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Jose Escamilla | Posted 11/5/2008 7:02:41 AM | message detail
Sooo this is pretty much done.

Mario/Mega Man X/Liquid Snake/Luigi tomorrow. Who ya got/who do you think will win?

Bracket: Mario > Mega Man X.

Actual prediction: Mario > Mega Man X

aww yeah let's do this X

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H__RR____H | Posted 11/5/2008 7:08:04 AM | message detail
I'll take Mario > MMX again, though my bracket reverses them. There's still a shot for it, but man...really could have used Bowser advancing!


Anyway, it's looking like Zack gets ~61% on Duke and ~60% on Wario, so let's try a new four-way:

Fox McCloud
Master Chief
Sub-Zero
Zack Fair
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www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:10:19 AM | message detail

From: H__RR____H | #325
I'll take Mario > MMX again, though my bracket reverses them. There's still a shot for it, but man...really could have used Bowser advancing!


Anyway, it's looking like Zack gets ~61% on Duke and ~60% on Wario, so let's try a new four-way:

Fox McCloud
Master Chief
Sub-Zero
Zack Fair



Chief > Zack

Since Zack won't dominate out of apathy with some bigger names there
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 7:12:32 AM | message detail
Zack > Fox

I'm probably underestimating Chief, but that's always been a good strategy with the exception of last year.
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H__RR____H | Posted 11/5/2008 7:20:13 AM | message detail
I'm pretty sure the apathy-thing is out of the window for Zack now. We've said that about him since the beginning...but he's beaten a Mario character with a side-series and debut in SSBB along with smashing an FF-lead without his sword in his pic, not to mention Zack's breaking 30+% on Link for the second round in a row and is ~3% away from beating Duke and Altair combined right now.

Apathy's not a factor for Zack any more. Not that he'll necessarily win that four-way I suggested, but his competition -- especially when Link's in the mix -- isn't a joke.
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www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:24:20 AM | message detail
I'm pretty sure the apathy-thing is out of the window for Zack now

none of his competition for second place in the last 2 rounds have been significant at all. Hell, his main competition for second here is a low midcarder. Once he faces big boys, he'll lose alot of his "OMG BUSTER SWORD" votes, I'm sure.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/5/2008 7:25:24 AM | message detail
Zack has absolutely proven himself. I'm now considering the Zack/Mario/X match-up for second place a complete toss-up.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 7:25:56 AM | message detail
Put Link in Zack's place in that 4-pack with Fox/Chief/Sub-Zero and Link will break 50%. Link is a bigger name by himself than all of those combined.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/5/2008 7:26:35 AM | message detail
Once he faces big boys

that guy zelda is in the poll though he's strong right
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:26:39 AM | message detail

From: YoAriel33 | #330
Zack has absolutely proven himself. I'm now considering the Zack/Mario/X match-up for second place a complete toss-up.



and how has he proven himself by beating the likes of Wario, Zidane, Duke, and Altair again...? Any FF7 character could do that, quite easily. Its how he fares once put up against actual competition that I won't beleive he has any significant strength
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hellfire104 | Posted 11/5/2008 7:27:09 AM | message detail
this match is in the past, lets talk about Mario vs X.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:27:52 AM | message detail

From: YoAriel33 | #332
Once he faces big boys

that guy zelda is in the poll though he's strong right



I'm not really paying attention to his value on Link. Link is a foregon winner in all of his matches, so I don't see why people wouldn't vote for second place as well, since a vote for Link is a wasted vote essentially since he's going to massacre the competition anyway.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:29:47 AM | message detail
I just can't believe people are already comparing him to Vincent and Tifa strength when he hasn't beaten anyone of note yet. If he somehow ends up somewhere higher then 4th next round I'll admit he has significant strength. But right now, I see him as a mid carder who hasn't proven anything significant to me
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 7:36:15 AM | message detail
I don't think he's at Vincent's level. It was a fun comparison last round, but he's not quite there. Tifa's level is entirely possible- in addition to 2 superb performances against Link, he's not just beaten but crushed Wario, Zidane, Duke, and Altair- he'd likely 60-40 in a 1v1 anyone in this division not named Link. Next round I see as an even battle for second- there is a chance Zack takes last easily due to Last Place Factor, but he could just as easily take second.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:37:54 AM | message detail
Just don't forget that Magus once performed better against Link then Zack... and we see how strong he is.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 11/5/2008 7:37:57 AM | message detail
I think Tifa would be doing a bit better in in Zack's place, but then again, I'd immediately take Tifa for second in a Link/Mario/Tifa/X scenario.
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H__RR____H | Posted 11/5/2008 7:40:33 AM | message detail
You don't have to compare Zack to Link, though it shouldn't be ignored (especially now that Wario and Zidane are gone). With his other opponents...we expected Wario to do well and he may have done so in hindsight, but Zack was ultimately too much for him and has shown he get get ~45% in a match (while Cecil was in the poll, for whatever that's worth). He has overcome TWO big names in the FF-world, one from the old-school and one from the new-school. He isn't far from beating Duke and Altair combined, two of the biggest surprises we've had this contest. He has performed well both with and without the Buster Sword. All of that speaks highly for me; I won't compare him to Vincent or Tifa (especially directly), but indirectly he's probably close to Aeris.

His comparisons to Link support that, is all. Link is going to take away a LOT of the apathy-votes and Zack's doing very well despite that.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/5/2008 7:41:22 AM | message detail
Magus was strong enough to beat Ganondorf in 2003.....and I think Zack is about the level of Ganondorf now! Really though, Magus is more or less the antithesis of a character who wins the apathy vote. And, if you take Zack's 30% on Link at face value, I would think that makes him the favorite for 2nd next round considering how much he'll stand out.
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Twilight Swift | Posted 11/5/2008 7:42:08 AM | message detail
Wait a second, was Link expected to do THIS good? Wow.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:42:42 AM | message detail
but indirectly he's probably close to Aeris.

Yeah, I think Aeris is about where he's at personally. No way is he getting to the higher end of the FF7 spectrum being in a couple scenes in FF7 and a Psp game. And being Aeris level, he should be exposed next round and finish 4th quite comfortable.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:43:17 AM | message detail

From: Twilight Swift | #342
Wait a second, was Link expected to do THIS good? Wow.



Its not like link is facing good competition here... Altair and duke are low midcarders
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Twilight Swift | Posted 11/5/2008 7:44:13 AM | message detail
Eh, black haired cloud. Getting 50% on a guy who could potentially beat a bunch of midcarders , with two others in the pool, is good.
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Twilight Swift | Posted 11/5/2008 7:45:45 AM | message detail
plus cloud got 53% where Mewtwo/Midna clearly split votes together. I'd say all signs point to either an upset joke, like L-block or WCC, or typical Link > cloud.. especially if the X upset works.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:45:49 AM | message detail
aww yeah the duke stalled Zack. Seems Zack is doing his typical day collapse. lost .10% in last 4 updates. Under 22% confirmed!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 7:58:17 AM | message detail
Also I think its safe to say that Zack wasn't really SFF'd by Zidane last round. He isn't doing really any different being the only FF guy in the poll this time.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 11/5/2008 8:50:29 AM | message detail
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 11/5/2008 8:52:57 AM | message detail
For some reason Nintendo characters seem to SFF/LFF each other more than Square characters.

Heck even Wario managed to hurt Link a bit while Zidane didn't do much of anything to Zack. I wonder if Sandbag hurt Sonic at all?

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