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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/4/2008 9:33:56 PM | message detail
Beaten by a minute

Damnit Moogle

(and expecting Luigi to fold is ridiculous, he'll get SFFd somewhat but domination will simply not happen)

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ZFS | Posted 11/4/2008 9:34:48 PM | message detail
anyone who prefers luigi got cursed as player two clearly

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/4/2008 9:35:43 PM | message detail
i wonder if link will finish over his last round percentage
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/4/2008 9:35:58 PM | message detail
I'm expecting Luigi to hold, but I'm also expecting Mario > X.

I mean, Zelda held up pretty well last time, and Mario still got first. And Mudkip's gone, so there's less to hold Mario back.
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Merc25 | Posted 11/4/2008 9:41:16 PM | message detail

From: HeroicTronBonne | #089
Mario > X tomorrow

anything different will shock me



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Lopen | Posted 11/4/2008 9:57:47 PM | message detail
People thinking Zelda will share as much overlap as Luigi with Mario need to get out of "bracket preservation" mode. Basically you want Luigi to get flattened tomorrow or else Mario is done.
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ZFS | Posted 11/4/2008 9:58:55 PM | message detail
"Bracket preservation" really doesn't have anything to do with it.

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Lopen | Posted 11/4/2008 10:00:32 PM | message detail
Get a clue on the workings of SFF then !!
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/4/2008 10:01:48 PM | message detail
I think Mario > X is still possible, and without Luigi getting flattened- Mario will take votes from X instead.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/4/2008 10:02:17 PM | message detail
Luigi for first.
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ZFS | Posted 11/4/2008 10:02:26 PM | message detail
how'd that raiden upset work out !

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/4/2008 10:03:53 PM | message detail
he'll be back next year with a vengeance mark my words
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Lopen | Posted 11/4/2008 10:04:30 PM | message detail
How'd Big Boss for first work out !!
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ZFS | Posted 11/4/2008 10:05:55 PM | message detail
not a snake proxy damn you mgs4 pic

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creativename | Posted 11/4/2008 10:06:35 PM | message detail
anyone who prefers luigi got cursed as player two clearly

I actually played as player 2 sometimes just so i could be Luigi. Both in SMB and Super Mario World.

I preferred Luigi from the start, first because green was my favorite color as a kid, and then because I liked his personality better. Also I just never liked Mario at all when I was a kid (Lou Albano was the only thing about him I liked!).

Though as you know, I agree with you in that I think Zelda hurting Luigi more is the more likely scenario. I wouldn't be shocked if that was wrong, but I think it's more probable.

In terms of favorites, Oracle wise it seems Mario is a very slight favorite over X. Almost a toss-up though. And most people seem to expect Luigi to hold up quite decently, not getting doubled.
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paraboxx | Posted 11/4/2008 10:08:45 PM | message detail
Green is still my favorite color!

...but I hate Luigi. :(
Yesmar | Posted 11/4/2008 10:10:02 PM | message detail
I think Mario should be the favorite over X, not because Zelda's a bigger leech than Luigi, but because there are simply less Nintendo characters in the poll now. Mudkip was leeching votes too, probably.
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creativename | Posted 11/4/2008 10:10:54 PM | message detail
I don't understand how anyone could believe Zelda's presence hurting Mario against Mega Man X more than Luigi's presence is unthinkable. The logic is pretty simple, straightforward, and fairly obvious once it's occurred to you, even if it is counter-intuitive.

I can certainly see why someone would argue it's going to be wrong.

But to dismiss the notion entirely is just bizarre.
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TestIcicles | Posted 11/4/2008 10:23:30 PM | message detail
Why is everyone acting like MM isn't Nintendo all of a sudden?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/4/2008 10:24:33 PM | message detail

From: TestIcicles | #269
Why is everyone acting like MM isn't Nintendo all of a sudden?



cuz he... isn't?
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/4/2008 10:43:05 PM | message detail
I think Mega Man is quasi-Nintendo -- he is capable of SFF'ing and being SFF'd by Nintendo one-on-one, but not necessarily like other Nintendo characters in four-way matches. For example, we've seen that Mega Man can SFF Yoshi and can be SFF'd by Link. That's fine. That said, we've seen from R3 last year that Yoshi affected Samus much more than he affected Mega Man. I would suspect this would be true for most combinations of Nintendo characters if they were in that same poll with Mega Man (and KOS-MOS); Zelda would affect Mario more, Kirby would affect Link more, Pikachu would affect Ganondorf more, etc.

Mega Man is "Nintendo," but he's not Nintendo. Perhaps he can still SFF some Nintendo characters or be SFF'd by others if they're the only Nintendo option in the poll, but with two or more? Mega Man may stand out too much to be affected the same way.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/4/2008 10:44:06 PM | message detail
A character with a good chunk of his fanbase on Sony systems is hardly only a Nintendo character.
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/4/2008 11:02:26 PM | message detail
Zelda hurts Mario just a bit more than Liquid will hurt Mario tbqh

what I'm saying is she's a strong character, and strong character tends to swoop a significant amount of percentage making everyone else in the poll appears weaker. and zelda is nintendo but loosely related, so she should hurt Mario a bit more than non-nintendo strong character (she's stronger than liquid anyway). However, Luigi IS Mario's clone, a pretty strong character and is very strongly related, so he'll do the most damage to Mario more than anyone else (maybe except yoshi). and I think this stronger overlap will be enough for Mario to lose his 1453 votes advantage that kept him from losing to X last round.

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ZFS | Posted 11/4/2008 11:36:51 PM | message detail
This 'loosely related' stuff is pretty out there, I think. Most people who are a fan of Zelda on this site are also a fan of Mario - these aren't unique, separate fanbases. They're very much intertwined with one another. With Zelda gone, Mario's going to benefit quite a bit, much moreso than X will. Luigi's going to hurt Mario, just as all same fanbase characters do, but he isn't going to kill him. I'm not sure what people are expecting, but there won't be any splitting of the vote happening. Mario's going to SFF him pretty good; it's just a matter of how much.

You can give Luigi a good chunk of the percentage, something in the high-teens, and Mario can come away a winner in this one. If we're thinking Luigi is 20%+ here...well, I'm not sure what has ever pointed to Luigi being that SFF resistant - his two big showings are against Bowser, when everything pointed toward him winning, and Ganondorf, who's biggest claim is not being SFFed by Samus.

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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 11/4/2008 11:58:44 PM | message detail
How the hell is the Duke doing so well
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 12:00:38 AM | message detail
wow link is dying over night
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 11/5/2008 12:05:25 AM | message detail
He's the goddamn Duke, thats why.
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Calintares | Posted 11/5/2008 12:08:35 AM | message detail
Mega man is pretty much Nintendo. all his games, apart from MM8 were on Nintendo systems.

Mega Man X is not as much Nintendo. His first three (and probably most important) games were on the SNES, but after that, his games have been on the PlayStation and PlayStation 2.

He has the capacity to withstand Nintendo SFF
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 12:10:07 AM | message detail
Mega Man X/Mega Man are the same fans
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Calintares | Posted 11/5/2008 12:14:17 AM | message detail
might I ask for evidence of that?

Also, MMX look a lot more badass than most of the "kiddie Nintendo" characters, as opposed to the regular MM
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 12:14:43 AM | message detail

From: Calintares | #280
might I ask for evidence of that?

Also, MMX look a lot more badass than most of the "kiddie Nintendo" characters, as opposed to the regular MM



they're same strength with same trends
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Calintares | Posted 11/5/2008 12:22:39 AM | message detail
Sure, but if faced by superior Nintendo characters, that is: Link and Mario. I believe he will hold up better, as his PlayStation fanbase is much less likely to abandon him.

it is to bad Mega Man has never faced Mario, so we cannot compare his results to those of X. But I suspect it would have been an SFF beating, Samus-style.

The one time MM faced Link he was destroyed with SFF
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 12:24:46 AM | message detail
i just can't see someone voting for one mega man and not voting for the other. Its the reason CjayC never let X in before... cuz he felt they were the same character, so it would be unfair to have 2 of the same character in the contest
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 11/5/2008 12:26:56 AM | message detail
Well you're wrong Albion. I would vote for Mario over MM, but i'm going to vote for X over Mario tomorrow. I'm also going to vote for Zero over MM in a couple days, unless it looks like MM and Cube are close.
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vash_131 | Posted 11/5/2008 12:27:36 AM | message detail
Well you're wrong Albion. I would vote for Mario over MM, but i'm going to vote for X over Mario tomorrow. I'm also going to vote for Zero over MM in a couple days, unless it looks like MM and Cube are close.

Yea this.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 12:28:36 AM | message detail
why? they're the same character (outside of all those BS technicle stuff). They are both mega man.. dunno why they're both even in the contest as it is.

next year the different versions of link will prolly get in
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vcharon | Posted 11/5/2008 12:29:58 AM | message detail
Liquid for first place, believe.
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 11/5/2008 12:32:21 AM | message detail
Zelda could hurt Mario more than Luigi will, just as Luigi would hurt Link more than Ganondorf.
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 12:33:58 AM | message detail
Next year lets get in all these Links cuz they're just as different of characters as X and Mega Man

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Chaotic Mind | Posted 11/5/2008 12:35:08 AM | message detail
They're not the same character. X is not even really named Mega Man X, just his games are. His name is simply X, the variable which represents unlimited potential. He's a completely new robot who just happens to also be one of Dr. Light's creations.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 12:36:23 AM | message detail

From: Chaotic Mind | #290
They're not the same character. X is not even really named Mega Man X, just his games are. His name is simply X, the variable which represents unlimited potential. He's a completely new robot who just happens to also be one of Dr. Light's creations.



His name is Mega Man X. Someone posted a pic the other week about that debate with Sigma calling him Mega Man X in game. And regardless, he's just as different from Mega Man as all the different versions of Link are. If X is able to be a seperate character in the contest, why not all the different timeline/versions of link?
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 11/5/2008 12:40:49 AM | message detail
His name is X. When Zero got his own games on the gba they were called Mega Man Zero, are you gonna try and tell me he's the same character too?
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YoboD | Posted 11/5/2008 12:41:44 AM | message detail
http://www.wikicheats.com/images/c/c8/WindWaker_Link.jpg

I would vote for Link a lot more if it was WW Link.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 12:42:27 AM | message detail

From: Chaotic Mind | #292
His name is X. When Zero got his own games on the gba they were called Mega Man Zero, are you gonna try and tell me he's the same character too?



"Mega Man X, or Rockman X (%u30ED%u30C3%u30AF%u30DE%u30F3%u30A8%u30C3%u30AF%u30B9, Rokkuman Ekkusu?) in the games' original Japanese, usually abbreviated to simply "X," is the main character of Capcom's Mega Man X video game series"

"Usually abbreviated to simply 'X'" is the thing to look at. It makes more sense just to say X, then just say "Mega Man X" every single time. But his name is, infact, Mega Man X.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_X_(character)
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 11/5/2008 12:48:45 AM | message detail
Wikipedia is not always 100% accurate. In one of X's games, i think it might be Maverick Hunter X on the PSP, Dr. Light specifically says he chose to name his new creation "X", to represent his unlimited potential. Not Mega Man X, just X.

If you still need more convincing, look up the episode of the Mega Man cartoon where X is in the show as well.
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Calintares | Posted 11/5/2008 12:51:08 AM | message detail
The Mega Man voters are mostly people who think "hey, that's Mega Man, I remember him, he was awesome on the NES/SNES/GB/GBA I will vote for him"

when Mega Man is faced with Mario or Link those people will probably think "Hey that's Mario/Link, I remember him, he was even MORE awesome than Mega Man on the NES/SNES/GB/GBA, I will vote for Mario/Link instead " Hence the SFF beatdown he got at the hands of Link, and the one I am confident he would receive from Mario.

The Mega Man X voters are consisted both of the ones that think "hey, it's Mega Man, he was awesome on the NES." those voters is pretty likely to abandon him in favor of Mario/Link

then there are the ones that go: "Hey, it's X, he was cool on the SNES" those people will probably abandon him if faced with Mario/Link

But the last group that go: "wow, it's X. he was so cool on the PS/PS2." is much less likely to abandon him when he is matched with the Nintendo icons. Hence why I believe X will stand better up against Mario and Link than MM would.

to be fair, that last group will be much more likely to abandon X when faced with Cloud/Snake/Kratos etc. But at those times, X will have his Nintendo base to fall back on
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Gaddswell | Posted 11/5/2008 12:51:31 AM | message detail
I wonder why no one's tried to submit a match pic using CD-I Link. >_>
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 11/5/2008 12:57:00 AM | message detail
So how about Zack huh? He's been owning the night vote, going up in percentage every update while Link falls and Duke and Altair stay about the same.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/5/2008 12:57:49 AM | message detail
I don't really care to argue anymore cuz its a stupid arguement. He's Mega Man X, and thats represented in this contest and all official Capcom statements

but since X and Mega Man aer both in the contest, lets list the different versions of characters that we should now get in since its opened up the flood gates

The Links I've already said
Dark Suit Samus
Iroquois Pliskin
Super Sonic
Giga Bowser
Pig Ganon
Werewolf Vincent
Ocelots Arm
Raichu
Hobo Phoenix
Shiek
Glenn (Frog)
Lich King
Every version of Sackboy
Every version of Kirby in smash bros
Different colors of Master Chiefs suit
Different age Ramzas
Every possible variation of Commander Shepard
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