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hailEC | Posted 11/2/2008 11:40:34 AM | message detail
No thanks on the bet then. Squall will get hit harder than Sora, doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be enough for Sora to advance.

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SephirothG | Posted 11/2/2008 11:40:43 AM | message detail
...what? ...no? It was sold on Disney and Final Fantasy characters. No one said "I'm a Cloud and Sephiroth fan, so I should buy this." Cloud and Sephiroth don't have a heavy presence in KH. "Final Fantasy" does.

Look at the original commercials or magazine ads... Cloud and Sephiroth were a central selling point while other FF characters were not.
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SephirothG | Posted 11/2/2008 11:41:32 AM | message detail
No thanks on the bet then. Squall will get hit harder than Sora, doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be enough for Sora to advance.

what? weren't we just arguing that Sora will do better than Squall?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/2/2008 11:41:36 AM | message detail
I would bet my account on Sora doing relatively better than Squall next round. It's an incredible no-brainer.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/2/2008 11:41:42 AM | message detail
I actually really think Sora's going to end up comfortably last in that match, but we'll see. Mewtwo's got 2nd wrapped up pretty easily in my book.
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hailEC | Posted 11/2/2008 11:42:28 AM | message detail
what? weren't we just arguing that Sora will do better than Squall?

No, we were arguing that Cloud will hurt Squall more than Sora.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2008 11:43:17 AM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | #097
Saying that Cloud won't SFF Sora because Squall couldn't is pretty silly. If you don't think FFVII has significant overlap with KH (or just about any Square title), I don't know what to say. Whether Cloud/Sora is worse than Cloud/Squall is another thing, but Sora's definitely going to get hit pretty hard.



With the first KH at least (I never played second), Squall played a bigger role then Cloud, and Squall and Sora don't SFF really at all (LFF if anything). So I don't see Cloud somehow sffing Sora to hell after that.
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hailEC | Posted 11/2/2008 11:43:30 AM | message detail
I actually really think Sora's going to end up comfortably last in that match, but we'll see. Mewtwo's got 2nd wrapped up pretty easily in my book.

How anyone can say this after struggling to beat PAC-MAN AND MIDNA is blowing my mind.

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SephirothG | Posted 11/2/2008 11:44:12 AM | message detail
meh... that's irrelevant in my opinion... it just seems like everyone minus ExTha is putting their cards on Cloud > Sora
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/2/2008 11:44:20 AM | message detail
I actually really think Sora's going to end up comfortably last in that match

Sora finishing last is possible, but saying he's going to be a comfortable last place is ridiculous. He was 2.5% away from Squall without Cloud in the poll.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/2/2008 11:45:19 AM | message detail
Because I can't see Squall or Sora retaining... well... ANYTHING once they are face to face with Cloud.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/2/2008 11:45:22 AM | message detail
After what went down with Cloud/Mewtwo/Midna, I seriously doubt Mewtwo has the strength to advance after struggling to break away from Midna. And if indeed Cloud was hurtingh Mewtwo...Hasta la vista, Mewtwo.
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hailEC | Posted 11/2/2008 11:45:28 AM | message detail
how is it irrelevant when that's the very point you first brought up, and then continued to argue about? If you want to change what you're saying go for it, but I was talking about your original claim.

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hailEC | Posted 11/2/2008 11:48:36 AM | message detail
ExLax, what percentages do you think everyone gets in Cloud/Squall/Sora/Mewtwo?

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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/2/2008 11:49:00 AM | message detail
Because I can't see Squall or Sora retaining... well... ANYTHING once they are face to face with Cloud.

Sora is from a completely different series and appeals to a very different audience. There's FF/KH overlap, but it's much less severe than...well, FF/FF overlap.

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AmazingKirby | Posted 11/2/2008 11:49:11 AM | message detail
Because I can't see Squall or Sora retaining... well... ANYTHING once they are face to face with Cloud.

This is highly possible, but Sora has so many fans outside of the FF fanbase. Like all the after-school voters...so I think he will retain a lot more than Squall.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/2/2008 11:51:13 AM | message detail
I just think FFVII will SFF Sora a lot harder than FFVIII ever could. I'm not saying it's set in stone coz I've lost a lot of interest in the contest and I have friggin Yoshi advancing in my bracket.

Either way it should be an interesting match next round.
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hailEC | Posted 11/2/2008 11:52:02 AM | message detail
So no percentages then... I want to see how Mewtwo beats out Sora/Squall iyo.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/2/2008 11:57:18 AM | message detail
by having more votes than them. I don't know what the percentages will be.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/2/2008 11:59:33 AM | message detail
Cloud will have to be pushing over 55% for Mewtwo to get second, unless the pokemon sprite theory is true and if Mewtwo gets it. Damn you I wanted a sprite round.
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hailEC | Posted 11/2/2008 12:00:01 PM | message detail
Well I'm only asking you because Sora/Squall have to be absolutely obliterated for Mewtwo to go past. If you think SFF'd Squall/Sora are weaker than Pac/Midna, I guess it's reasonable, but I'm having a hard time seeing that happening.

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HaRRicH | Posted 11/2/2008 12:07:01 PM | message detail
Well, it's not like Squall/Sora has just one kind of SFF going on -- they've each got it twice, once from each other and once from Cloud. Mewtwo, while being the weakest of the bunch naturally, will still stick out a LOT. Also, while I think Cloud SFF'd him last round, it may not bother him so much next round with four big-name RPG characters and Mewtwo's by far the most independent. On top of that, next round will be the first time we'll see him without another Nintendo character; we've seen him impress against Bowser/Toad and Ness while edging out Midna (while likely fending off Cloud's SFF)...he's got a shot.

I like Sora >= Mewtwo >= Squall though, with them all being relatively close to each other. It'll take a large win or flop for second place to surprise me in R3 here.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2008 12:07:51 PM | message detail
the people who have mewtwo advancing prolly thought riku would advance today
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hailEC | Posted 11/2/2008 12:09:16 PM | message detail
He definitely has a shot... but ExTha is talking about it like it's a lock, which is just stupid. You don't look that pathetic the round before a big match-up and become the favorite by leaps and bounds.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/2/2008 12:11:42 PM | message detail
I'd still consider Mewtwo the favorite. That match is extremely unique, and I think he could end up with a one-time boost due to his competition in addition to the hugely favorable fanbase split.
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2008 12:11:43 PM | message detail
he's got an outside shot but after his pathetic performance, sora needs to be the favorite
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/2/2008 12:12:21 PM | message detail
the people who have mewtwo advancing prolly thought riku would advance today

Hey at least Dante/Leon happened last year, "so why wouldn't it happen again this year?" was my train of thought.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 163/232 Today's Match: Dante > Riku
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2008 12:13:45 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #127
the people who have mewtwo advancing prolly thought riku would advance today

Hey at least Dante/Leon happened last year, "so why wouldn't it happen again this year?" was my train of thought.



I mean due to characters LFFing enough to let a character who looked pathetic the round before advance. Exact same situation here. Mewtwo isn't advancing, he's too weak to take advantage of it. If Yoshi was here, he could. But not Mewtwo
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/2/2008 12:15:10 PM | message detail
He definitely has a shot... but ExTha is talking about it like it's a lock, which is just stupid.

This. BT went on and on about Axel Steel having a free ticket to round 2, but instead TRAVIS FRIGGIN' TOUCHDOWN looks stronger than him.
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hailEC | Posted 11/2/2008 12:15:45 PM | message detail
Wasn't BT going on forever about how anyone who took Dante > Leon in this match clearly wasn't around last year, and only a fool could make such a pick, etc. etc?

LOL BT

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/2/2008 12:18:42 PM | message detail
I like the fact that Leon > Dante ended up being a better pick. Shame I took Riku.
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/2/2008 12:18:42 PM | message detail
As for the Pika/Dante/Leon fiasco, my take on this is that Dante and Leon looed awful in their pics, but looking at Pika's likely brought on a nostalgia rush.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/2/2008 12:20:22 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | Posted: 11/2/2008 3:18:42 PM | #132
As for the Pika/Dante/Leon fiasco, my take on this is that Dante and Leon looed awful in their pics, but looking at Pika's likely brought on a nostalgia rush.



I read this thinking "I don't remember it being THAT bad..."

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb6/cb6-54.jpg

Wow, it really was THAT bad.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 11/2/2008 12:21:28 PM | message detail
Dammit, I meant looked*
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/2/2008 12:40:51 PM | message detail
So the picture hurt both Dante and Leon by about the same amount because if you take their percents against each other it's pretty close to what they were expected to get based on 2k6.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/2/2008 12:55:34 PM | message detail
liquid will sadly look out of place no matter what you try

Actually, I just had a thought. You know how everyone likes to do those pics where you zoom in on the eyes? Well, someone should do a pic where you zoom in on the ARMS!

Liquid with 50% let's do this

Oh, by the way, Mewtwo did noticeably worse on Cloud than SFF'd Auron did last year, so it's certainly not a lock for him to advance. Plus, he couldn't even get 17% in that poll. That's not exactly a large obstacle to overcome anyway. Of course, the fact that Squall may decide he wants to hurt Sora this time could hurt both their chances.
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/2/2008 12:56:40 PM | message detail
Also, both Riku and Hogger are doing a little better than they did on Leon and Dante last round, respectively, so if they're LFFing each other, it's not anything too significant. Kirby/Chief/Dante/Leon ought to be LOTS of fun.
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/2/2008 1:05:06 PM | message detail
Hard to see Kirby not placing in that poll. My bracket will be long dead by then, so I'd happy to see either Leon or Dante upend Chief, but eh, I'd call either of them slight longshots.
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/2/2008 1:06:21 PM | message detail
Leon really has no reason to upend Dante next round (other than just some weird random variation) so it'll basically be a threeway poll, though Leon shouldn't be far off.
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/2/2008 1:06:41 PM | message detail
Well, unless Dante and Leon are both enough ahead of Kirby and Chief to beat them both, that is.
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Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/2/2008 1:08:48 PM | message detail
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/2/2008 1:09:43 PM | message detail
Yeah, I expect Leon to finish fourth, but knowing the zaniness of this format and the fact that he's keeping it respectable today, I can't write him off.
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/2/2008 1:23:05 PM | message detail
And Riku is finally closer to Leon than he is to Hogger.
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
nintendogirl1 | Posted 11/2/2008 1:30:06 PM | message detail
Did Albion give up on the rallying Hogger idea?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2008 1:35:26 PM | message detail
Nintendogirl, why do you always seperate your posts with a sig thingy?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2008 1:52:16 PM | message detail
To answer your question though...

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=3289&type=1&seconds=60&max=0

I was rallying hard in the late night just so I could get a cut for Hogger over Riku, and once I finally got my 10 voet cut, I was satisfied, and didn't really bother during the day outside of bumping my topic like once an hour
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 11/2/2008 1:55:58 PM | message detail
Good enough answer. And I like the whole dynamic sig thing, it bothers some people but I've been doing it for years and it's a part of who I am on the boards, like when CronoLv99 first started using a pre-sig he typed them all into every post.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/2/2008 2:06:46 PM | message detail
Ah I didn't notice your sig thing until recently, I never used to read the bottom part
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/2/2008 2:49:01 PM | message detail
Hey what the Correct and Partial % mean after each match?
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Merc25 | Posted 11/2/2008 3:05:52 PM | message detail
liquid will sadly look out of place no matter what you try
Maybe so but he wouldn't look as bad if he got a picture from Twin Snakes(Luigi & Mario would get pics from Galaxy, and Megaman X could get a model from command mission or Maverick Hunter)
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