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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 617

hailEC | Posted 11/1/2008 11:55:28 AM | message detail
he needs 20 per to comeback.

not impossible, but not gonna happen.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 11:56:48 AM | message detail
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Believe.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 11:57:40 AM | message detail
Because Ocelot/Jill were essentially equal. Leon has always been a few steps behind Dante.

Well, there's no doubt that MGS4 is bigger than DMC4, so that could counteract it!
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hailEC | Posted 11/1/2008 11:59:40 AM | message detail
I don't think Dante was being called "Vergil" the entire game.

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Lopen | Posted 11/1/2008 12:02:48 PM | message detail
Wow, Kirby holding up admirably. But, this is when the ASV starts. Sure, there's no school, but it still benefits Chief more than other voting blocks. This one should end close.
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Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 2 - Raiden/Big Boss/Kirby.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 12:03:28 PM | message detail

Lopen (#155)
Wow, Kirby holding up admirably. But, this is when the ASV starts. Sure, there's no school, but it still benefits Chief more than other voting blocks. This one should end close.



Chief has cut nearly 100 votes last 4 updates!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 12:06:09 PM | message detail
I'm still of the belief that Chief is stronger then Kirby. Kirby is in a character with 3 M rated characters, so I'd expect MGS/Halo to SFF more then Kirby would SFF with em. Not that the MGS/Halo sff is significant, but its enough to make Kirby stand out more here.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 12:08:51 PM | message detail
Basically, you're admitting Kirby beats MC again next round because DMC and RE should overlap with Halo more.
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hailEC | Posted 11/1/2008 12:09:00 PM | message detail
MC is still stronger than Kirby. As is Luigi and Bowser. People are getting out of control with what they're taking out of this match. It makes a lot more sense if you just look at how Nintendo characters have done this year, and assume MC was just riding the biggest high any character in these contests have ever ridden.

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red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2008 12:09:12 PM | message detail
There's no way I take Chief to beat Kirby 1v1. Kirby put up around 48% against Bowser and Luigi, and 45% against Squall. MC lost to Frog, needed what was at that time a record for largest comeback to beat DK, and lost to Sub-Zero.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 12:09:57 PM | message detail

LeonhartFour (#158)
Basically, you're admitting Kirby beats MC again next round because DMC and RE should overlap with Halo more.



Unfortunently, yes. I'm just hoping for the LFF between Dante/Leon to be enough to let MC get through
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Lopen | Posted 11/1/2008 12:10:10 PM | message detail
I'd also expect MC's gains to be more significant than you'd expect, even though Kirby's decent with the day vote. Mostly because during a weekend the morning vote is probably spread out a bit more, which Kirby is beastly in.

Dammit, Halo 4, please :(
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hailEC | Posted 11/1/2008 12:10:14 PM | message detail
He should. It's either going to be Dante > Kirby or Dante > Leon.

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linkhatesganon | Posted 11/1/2008 12:10:28 PM | message detail
That's basically what I said earlier!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 12:10:40 PM | message detail

red sox 777 (#160)
There's no way I take Chief to beat Kirby 1v1. Kirby put up around 48% against Bowser and Luigi, and 45% against Squall. MC lost to Frog, needed what was at that time a record for largest comeback to beat DK, and lost to Sub-Zero.



That Frog match was pre Halo 2 and 3, back when Xbox was hated on Gamefaqs. Chiefs stronger then the was then even if hes weakened from last year.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 12:11:21 PM | message detail
Man, I love how MC makes several cuts and Kirby takes it back in basically one update.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 11/1/2008 12:11:44 PM | message detail
Uhhhh pre-deboost Kirby > MC 1v1 no contest at all, bar none. Post, it's still pretty much a near lock.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 12:12:27 PM | message detail
MC is still stronger than Kirby.

Still? Last year was the only year he ever was. I'll still take Kirby over MC one-on-one.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 12:13:08 PM | message detail
Kirby would prolly beat MC 1v1 just cuz of the anti vote factor (Though it shouldnt be as bad as it was in years past), but without anti voting in 4way, he should beat Kirby in a fair match.
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/1/2008 12:13:09 PM | message detail
Yeah, but the DK and Sub-Zero matches were after Halo 2, and MC isn't at the level he was last year. There's a large gap between Sub-Zero and the likes of Kirby/Bowser/Luigi still.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 12:14:50 PM | message detail
Regardless, Chief is still a high mid carder, since in 4way format, he's at kirbys level
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 12:16:07 PM | message detail
Actually, I think I've decided, as far as adjustments go, to give Big Boss what he's got here and adjust Raiden based on last round's MC. Don't feel right giving Big Boss that much of an advantage over this fourpack by making him proportional to Kirby from last round.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 11/1/2008 12:22:13 PM | message detail
"Regardless, Chief is still a high mid carder,"

High mid carders are people like Ganondorf and Squall. Master Chief isn't even close.

"since in 4way format, he's at kirbys level'

Four way doesn't determine a characters strength, and no he isn't.

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/1/2008 12:25:22 PM | message detail
Leon, to judge Big Boss, I'd honestly just put him at 48% on Kirby, by assuming Kirby would have gotten every Jinjo/Lucas vote.
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Lopen | Posted 11/1/2008 12:32:26 PM | message detail
How is Master Chief losing percent. What is this

Man I like Kirby better but something inside me has to root for the Master Chief comeback at all times.
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whatev | Posted 11/1/2008 12:34:40 PM | message detail
I would recommend against giving someone 100% of someone else's percentage. I mean, we thought that that's what happened in Riku/Ryu/Snake. Let's just say we were proven wrong this year.

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/1/2008 12:35:49 PM | message detail
whatev, the difference is that basing Big Boss on this match puts him about 3% lower than what he, beyond a shadow of a doubt, would have done 1v1 based on the first round.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 12:35:51 PM | message detail
High mid carders are people like Ganondorf and Squall. Master Chief isn't even close.

I consider Squall an elite, just below noble 9. I consdier high mid carders the likes of Zero, Sora, and Dante
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 12:37:05 PM | message detail
If big boss wasnt in the poll last round, I woulda voted for jinjo for the lulz, but i dont like kirby

so it wouldnt be 100%
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 11/1/2008 12:38:55 PM | message detail
Well i didn't think the little puffball would keep his lead in the day vote yet he is doing just that.

He's the first non-square character to break the Nintendo flop streak this round considering how horrible Mewtwo did in his 2nd match.

So apparently there was an MGS Boost but some MGS SFF happening too which is letting Master Chief steal 2nd place. Will he keep that position or will Big Boss shoot him down when the night vote comes?

As for tomorrow's match i don't see why people have a problem with Riku's pic although i'm sure he's gonna be last in that match. Dante seems the most likely to get 1st and Leon has pretty good strength considering last year's performance.

Hogger will be the wild card of this match. He will either flop terribly or Albion will attempt to pull another mass rally like he did in round 1 for Hogger to take Ramza and Laharl out.

So i suspect Dante>Leon tomorrow but with Hogger and the WoW fans you never know. What's your predictions on tomorrow's match?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/1/2008 12:38:57 PM | message detail
Albion, the point is that if we're basing Big Boss on this match, he only gets 45.5% (right now) on Kirby. It's much better to give Kirby 100% of the non-Big Boss votes than more than 100%.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/1/2008 1:00:14 PM | message detail
Raiden comeback time.
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hailEC | Posted 11/1/2008 1:06:36 PM | message detail
Does it matter what the official stats do? They're no longer really "official" when they're being based off of certain people's interpretations of how a character should have done? Arguing where to put Big Boss is just as much as someone saying "I think he's worth 26 on BL" and someone else saying "no he's worth 26.5%!"

People need to just go with what they will think at this point... there's no reason for trying to use some type of scientific method for character strengths. It's unreliable at best and completely worthless at worst.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 1:07:32 PM | message detail
I consdier high mid carders the likes of Zero, Sora, and Dante

I'll go ahead and tell you that MC ain't beatin' Sora and Dante one-on-one nowadays. I'd say that Zero's not on the level of those two either anymore.
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Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 1:08:39 PM | message detail
By the way, I don't make any sort of arbitrary adjustments. I'd either give Big Boss his value right here or last round. Nothing else.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 1:14:30 PM | message detail
can you smell what the chief is cooking
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 1:15:53 PM | message detail
A 2000 vote loss?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 1:16:32 PM | message detail
more like a 42 vote cut
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didYousayJeebus | Posted 11/1/2008 1:21:02 PM | message detail
moar like GFAQs riggin...putting two MGS characters so close together...
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 1:22:27 PM | message detail

didYousayJeebus (#189)
moar like GFAQs riggin...putting two MGS characters so close together...



putting tifa and sephiroth in the same first round match was worse
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 1:31:17 PM | message detail
time for a warmup for my hogger rallying tomorrow imo
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 11/1/2008 1:44:25 PM | message detail
HeroineTronBonne is Albion's alt?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 1:44:50 PM | message detail
Yes.

And seems Chief is FINALLY starting his comeback. Bout time! Under 2100 now
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satai_delenn | Posted 11/1/2008 1:49:37 PM | message detail
Oh ho, there goes Chief with the weekend equivalent of an ASV. I don't even know who to root for...uh...come on Raiden, let's--god dammit he's under 12%. v_v
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 1:50:36 PM | message detail
I'm loving these 35-37% updates by Chief.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 1:51:10 PM | message detail
A little late for a comeback attempt.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 1:51:42 PM | message detail
Why do you use that in the plural? All I see is one 37% update.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 1:52:40 PM | message detail

LeonhartFour (#196)
A little late for a comeback attempt.



Not too late at all. If he keeps it at this pace, that is
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/1/2008 1:55:10 PM | message detail
Chief's going to run out of votes by the time the poll comes toward the end. He's cut around 200-250 votes in the last hour. That's not enough.

Doesn't help when you let Big Boss cut you! Whoo, Game Fuel!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 11/1/2008 1:56:33 PM | message detail
Boss stole some of his game fuel

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