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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 10:03:14 PM | message detail
I'm really hoping that Dante and Leon make it through now... maybe they can LFF eachother enough next round for Kirby > Chief

Certainly not impossible, but if Chief wins today, he'll be the definite favorite in the division finals. It's not like Dante and Leon make Kirby stand out more than Boss and Raiden do. Heck, it might not even be as good for Kirby as this draw is, seeing as how Leon's RE games span three Nintendo consoles.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/31/2008 10:04:40 PM | message detail
How good is Kirby with the day vote?

And what are the chances of Kirby hanging on to first?

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:05:08 PM | message detail

Blade Of Evils Bane (#352)
How good is Kirby with the day vote?

And what are the chances of Kirby hanging on to first?



He's good, not MC good, but good. And most likely he will keep first.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/31/2008 10:05:15 PM | message detail
If Dante SFFs Leon badly enough to let Riku get through, then I could see either Dante > Master Chief or Dante > Kirby happening.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:05:30 PM | message detail
wow, boss just died
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 10:05:42 PM | message detail
...night vote?

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ZFS | Posted 10/31/2008 10:06:15 PM | message detail
Whoa Kirby. Good show

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/31/2008 10:06:16 PM | message detail
Kirby`s pretty damn good with that Day vote.

Looks like the night vote hasn`t showed up yet. Big Boss fell off there.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 10:08:42 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Cloud | Midna | Mewtwo | Pac-Man
EBV | 46.03% | 17.61% | 23.02% | 13.34% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 49.53% | 17.22% | 19.63% | 13.63% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 54.23% | 16.23% | 16.33% | 13.20% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 53.40% | 15.67% | 16.21% | 14.72% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 54.63% | 15.75% | 15.78% | 13.84% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 53.06% | 16.49% | 17.50% | 12.94% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 55.11% | 15.05% | 17.44% | 12.40% | (22:00-24:00)

Cloud's board vote was horrible, Mewtwo's was great. What Cloud gained by the end of the Power Hour, he took from Mewtwo. What he gained overnight, he mostly took from Mewtwo, who looked flatout awful until the ASV came around. For some reason, Pac-Man was the big winner of the early morning vote. Cloud struggled a bit (relatively) with the ASV, but it's Zelda and Pokemon, so...Cloud always finishes with a strong second night vote, from what little there is.

Yesterday's stats:

Cloud Strife – 50.00%
Mewtwo – 24.02%
Midna – 23.20%
Pac-Man – 20.08%

Division 6, Lower Half

Cloud Strife – 50.00%
Mewtwo – 24.02%
Midna – 23.20%
Pac-Man – 20.08%
Miles Edgeworth – 17.03%
Ness – 14.62%
Travis Touchdown – 12.53%
Axel Steel – 11.22%

Whoo, go Edgey! Beating Ness and decently close to Pac-Man! Axel Steel gets punked by Travis Touchdown! Cult character beats avatar from most popular series in the world!
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Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
charmander6000 | Posted 10/31/2008 10:10:09 PM | message detail
I was convinced I knew what these terms meant until I read this.

SFF is used to describe what it is (Dog) and LFF is a type of SFF, but different to other similar factors (German Shepard)
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Character Battle 2008: Points 159/224 Today's Match: Master Chief > Kirby
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 10:10:30 PM | message detail
Kirby ought to do fine next round, regardless of who's there. Even if Riku somehow edges Leon still, Kirby's proven he can beat the Chief at this point. If Dante and Leon are both there, I'd consider Kirby the favorite for first. If not, Dante probably beats him.

Man, the epic showdown we've been waiting for!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 10:10:36 PM | message detail
Cult character beats avatar from most popular series in the world!

Impossible run those numbers again
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:11:00 PM | message detail
Man, the epic showdown we've been waiting for!

wutever kirby is dum anyway
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 10:11:47 PM | message detail
Wow, Kirby's still stickin' around, even after the Power Hour! Big Boss decides it's time for some CQC slam time!
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/31/2008 10:12:07 PM | message detail
aww yeah Travis

Well, there`s the night vote....maybe.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/31/2008 10:12:52 PM | message detail
Riku looks like a hot ass anime chick. Upset is imminent.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 10:13:57 PM | message detail
Wait, I just realized something. Is a Nintendo character...impressing?

SOUND THE ALERT
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:15:06 PM | message detail

MegatokyoEd (#366)
Riku looks like a hot ass anime chick. Upset is imminent.



i'd do her
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:15:31 PM | message detail
now theres the chief night vote
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 10:15:55 PM | message detail
Okay, Chief! Not funny!
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:01 PM | message detail
Damn, Master Chief went crazy on that Game Fuel again.
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:05 PM | message detail
Game fuel baby
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:10 PM | message detail
Kirby almost lost to Big Boss there.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 159/224 Today's Match: Master Chief > Kirby
ZFS | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:12 PM | message detail
time to stop stuffing albion

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:21 PM | message detail
I'm not even going to pretend to try and understand that update

good night everyone

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:27 PM | message detail
Haha, what the heck happened there?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:33 PM | message detail
This is what they can do when not shackled by LFF! The Brawl deboost is actually caused by nominating too many Brawl characters and making too many LFF matches!

...Master Chief with the night vote?
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Yesmar | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:35 PM | message detail
Is everyone forgetting what happened last time someone looked like a hotass anime chick?:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1997
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:44 PM | message detail

ZFS (#374)
time to stop stuffing albion



no u stop stuffing big boss
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 10:16:44 PM | message detail
Wait, I just realized something. Is a Nintendo character...impressing?

SOUND THE ALERT


Nintendo has been pretty unlucky with bracket placement. Most of their upper echelon people (Zelda, Ganon, the entire Mario series) have been burdened with enough SFF as to make it impossible to impress or even tell where the hell they are. And just about everyone else who didn't have to deal with SFF was just a Brawl scrub. I guess this is what happens when a roster of 35 makes the damned bracket.
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Tarrot | Posted 10/31/2008 10:17:00 PM | message detail
As I always understood it:

SFF is when a character is beat worse than usual due to the same fanbase (Link vs. Anything Nintendo, Cloud vs. Anything FF).

LFF is when a lower character overperforms on a higher character due to similar fanbases (Sora vs. Squall is probably the best example).
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:17:39 PM | message detail
people out at halloween parties coming home now it seems
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/31/2008 10:17:50 PM | message detail
Oh man, I was laughing hard at that last update.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/31/2008 10:20:53 PM | message detail
This match is clearly being rigged against Raiden. Bacon doesn't know when to quit.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:20:54 PM | message detail
all big bosses votes are belong to raiden
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ZFS | Posted 10/31/2008 10:21:23 PM | message detail
Likin' Kirby > Master Chief here.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 10:21:53 PM | message detail
Kirby takes back all he lost with that last update.
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Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%)
Gaddswell | Posted 10/31/2008 10:21:57 PM | message detail
Uh... Is Big Boss actually falling off after the power hour ended?

Big Boss winning the day vote then!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:22:07 PM | message detail
How much would kirby need to be up by to hold off teh chief
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/31/2008 10:22:11 PM | message detail
Is everyone forgetting what happened last time someone looked like a hotass anime chick?:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1997


If I was Leon, it'd be crapping my pants. This result shall always live in infamy for making Mithos seem stronger than Lloyd!
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/31/2008 10:24:20 PM | message detail
lol Big Boss
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 10:25:54 PM | message detail
Whoa, Big Boss domination there! Here we go!
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/31/2008 10:27:54 PM | message detail
Well, there`s the night vote!
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/31/2008 10:32:14 PM | message detail
We've never really properly defined SFF and LFF in terms that are not dependent on the x-stats I think, so here are my ideas for definitions for LFF and SFF. After thinking about it, I think it's better to define SFF as a subset of LFF.

LFF: Fanbase overlap.
SFF: Fanbase overlap such that the shared fanbase prefers one character disproportionately compared to the total size of the characters' fanbases.

In general, we've tried to define SFF as a situation in which the shared fanbase disproportionately favors one character over the other. The main problem is: disproportionate to what? There has rarely been any answer here other than the implied answer of the x-stats, or our opinions. consolefreak came up with a fairly good definition a while ago, but I can't remember exactly how it went. Either way, I think it's better to go all the way and define disproportionate as dispropotionate to the total size of the fanbases, and not to strength. Or in other words, to view SFF as a (critical!!!) component of strength.

These definitions would apply to both 1v1s and 4-ways, so yes, there would be LFF of varying degrees in every 1v1 match. There would also be SFF in most 1v1 matches, even between characters who do not share that much fanbase. This does not mean SFF would be observable in many cases- because a character could SFF many characters to a similar degree. The best example here is Crono- his fanbase is obviously smaller than most characters in the top 20 at least, so how does he do so well? It's because he manages to win the shared fanbase to a disproportionate degree compared to the total size of the fanbases. I would consider this SFF, but it would not be observable because it would be more or less linear and transitive- just like the x-stats.

SFF is mostly observable when the extent of the overlap changes, irrespective of how good a character is at wining the shared fanbase.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/31/2008 10:33:57 PM | message detail
You'd all call this Kirby impressing here? We all realize he would struggling to beat OLD MAN BOSS if Raiden weren't here, correct?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:35:59 PM | message detail

Karma Hunter (#395)
You'd all call this Kirby impressing here? We all realize he would struggling to beat OLD MAN BOSS if Raiden weren't here, correct?



Beating the guy who came with 2% of Snake is impressive, yes.
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Yesmar | Posted 10/31/2008 10:36:27 PM | message detail
You'd all call this Kirby impressing here? We all realize he would struggling to beat OLD MAN BOSS if Raiden weren't here, correct?

Old Man Boss is clearly more popular than he was in the past.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 10:36:32 PM | message detail
You'd all call this Kirby impressing here? We all realize he would struggling to beat OLD MAN BOSS if Raiden weren't here, correct?

And he's still outright beating the man who was 2% away from Solid Snake!
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/31/2008 10:36:50 PM | message detail
Yeah, Kirby's not impressing. I'd take Big Boss with a Snake picture over....everyone but the Noble Nine and Vincent/Squall. I'd take Big Boss with and old man picture over....everyone but the NN, Vincent, Squall, Auron, Tifa, Ganondorf, and Zack.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/31/2008 10:37:06 PM | message detail
More popular, yes. Up to where we thought Kirby was? uhhhhhh
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