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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 616
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:41:56 PM | message detail |
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ZFS (#294) Yes he does. Just cuz Snake has an average day vote now due to Brawl, doesn't mean the other MGS characters have average day votes. Ocelot lost the day vote to a RE character. --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 9:43:09 PM | message detail |
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Explain to me where those extra thousands of votes come from when Kain
gets into the poll to give Big Boss such a massive lead, especially
when you give him 7000 more votes than Raiden. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%) |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 9:44:35 PM | message detail |
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Explain to me where those extra thousands of votes come from when
Kain gets into the poll to give Big Boss such a massive lead,
especially when you give him 7000 more votes than Raiden. 1. I did those off of the top of my head. They aren't perfect. 2. The first poll has MGS options, Nintendo options, and Halo options. The second has all that plus a Final Fantasy options. It's going to get more votes. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 9:45:14 PM | message detail |
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Just assume that the poll has the same number of votes both times and then redistribute them. Humor me. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%) |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:45:48 PM | message detail |
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I don't think it really matters how big of a deal Boss gets if he can't even KEEP the lead. --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| The_Ocelot2 | Posted 10/31/2008 9:46:07 PM | message detail |
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Chief strikes back --- Go Ducks Go! http://img.imgcake.com/fallout_3.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/31/2008 9:46:09 PM | message detail |
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It's because assuming the other characters are not static, Raiden being
in the poll can never help Big Boss. At best, Big Boss SFFs him 100-0,
in which case the results would be the same as a 3-way between
Boss/Kirby/MC. Now add Kain. If he's equally independent of all 3 of
those characters, the relations between them shouldn't change. --- Crono's quest to kick L-Block out of this contest: Round 3: Crono vs. L-Block vs. Pikachu vs. Alucard |
| ZFS | Posted 10/31/2008 9:46:13 PM | message detail |
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Yes he does. Just cuz Snake has an average day vote now due to
Brawl, doesn't mean the other MGS characters have average day votes.
Ocelot lost the day vote to a RE character. Big Boss barely budged last round against Kirby during the day - ditto for Snake and Liquid in their matches. Things could change this round, but if last round is anything to go by (for Boss and Chief), he only needs a solid lead, nothing as extreme as 2,000 votes. All depends on what happens during the night vote, and if Big Boss can build any sort of lead. --- http://i34.tinypic.com/eff04y.gif |
| Gaddswell | Posted 10/31/2008 9:46:25 PM | message detail |
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Chief in 2nd again. That's 4 lead changes now! --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u205/MapleMasta/IkeClimbers2.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDaGWrPcjb8 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 9:47:04 PM | message detail |
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Guys, come on, Big Boss would clearly be doing better if Kain was in
Raiden's place. Yes, Boss is getting the better of a fanbase split now,
but if Raiden were gone, there would be
no fanbase split. He'd be taking 100% of the MGS fan vote. Yes, he'd
lose some of his current support to voters who would like Kain more,
but that would be nearly negligible compared to what he'd be gaining
form eliminating this fanbase split. Also Big Boss (Naked Snake picture) vs. Vincent Big Boss (Naked Snake picture) vs. Squall Big Boss (Naked Snake picture) vs. Auron Big Boss (Naked Snake picture) vs. Mega Man --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/31/2008 9:47:08 PM | message detail |
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Chief strikes back Game Fuel hasn't completely worn off just yet. --- Participate in my Presidential Election Prediction Challenge: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=46163188 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 9:47:08 PM | message detail |
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It's because assuming the other characters are not static, Raiden
being in the poll can never help Big Boss. At best, Big Boss SFFs him
100-0, in which case the results would be the same as a 3-way between
Boss/Kirby/MC. Now add Kain. If he's equally independent of all 3 of
those characters, the relations between them shouldn't change. This, basically. Raiden being there never helps Boss - he can only minimize the damage (which he is). --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 9:47:18 PM | message detail |
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Looks like this one might live up to the hype, depending on what Big Boss can do overnight! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%) |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:47:28 PM | message detail |
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Trends could be a bit funky today though due to people out partying for
Halloween, as we saw with 200 less votes then normal in the first update --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/31/2008 9:47:57 PM | message detail |
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You would say "They are SFFing eachother" since Cloud and Sephiroth are overlapping eachother, not Cloud overlapping Sephiroth. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 9:48:24 PM | message detail |
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Big Boss (Naked Snake picture) vs. Vincent Big Boss (Naked Snake picture) vs. Squall Big Boss (Naked Snake picture) vs. Auron Big Boss (Naked Snake picture) vs. Mega Man Hmmm let's see big boss big boss big boss and oh how about BIG BOSS --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 9:48:48 PM | message detail |
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And for the record, I think Luigi hurting Mario less than Zelda is total crap (for somewhat different reasons, but whatever). --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 9:49:46 PM | message detail |
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It really depends. Mario could flatten Luigi, or Luigi could hold his own. Depending on what happens, Mario could still beat X. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%) |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:49:55 PM | message detail |
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Best result here would be Kirby totally falling off the map overnight
and Boss and MC both advancing, though. <3 MGS and Halo, and hate
kirby --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/31/2008 9:50:18 PM | message detail |
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If Luigi holds up as good as Zelda did, he'll definitely be hurting
Mario more. If he gets completely dominated, it would actually be an
improvement for Mario. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 9:50:26 PM | message detail |
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And for the record, I think Luigi hurting Mario less than Zelda is total crap Agreed. I think X is the favorite there even without Bowser. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| ZFS | Posted 10/31/2008 9:50:26 PM | message detail |
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I've always thought Zelda would be more of a hindrance to Mario than
Luigi. I'm expecting to see Mario rock Luigi in that match, not split
the vote with him. --- http://i34.tinypic.com/eff04y.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 9:50:54 PM | message detail |
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Whoa, Chief. Too close to Kirby there! Come on, night vote! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%) |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:50:55 PM | message detail |
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and chief awakens --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/31/2008 9:52:23 PM | message detail |
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Yes, but it really doesn't work well when using SFF as a verb,
especially since we do not mean exactly the same thing. We mean that
Cloud is taking advantage of a fanbase overlap with Sephiroth in that
he gains ground relative to Sephiroth (Cloud is SFFing Sephiroth), but
they are both losing ground relative to any other characters in the
poll (moreso Seph than Cloud) due to that same overlap (Sephiroth is
SFFing Cloud). LFF is a subset of SFF, but it can make things more
precise, as long as we understand they arise from the same source. --- Crono's quest to kick L-Block out of this contest: Round 3: Crono vs. L-Block vs. Pikachu vs. Alucard |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:52:42 PM | message detail |
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BTW guys, Chiefs 5th round match last year was done on a Saturday, and here we can see how he did with day vote on a Saturday: http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/L-Block_vs_Snake_vs_Master_Chief_vs_Dante_2007 --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 9:53:15 PM | message detail |
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Well... 1. I seriously doubt Mario flattens Luigi. They have pretty distinct and unique fanbases (at least as much as two characters with their kind of relationship can have), and Luigi has shown himself to be great with SFF iin this format anyway. 2. The Zelda and Mario fanbases are much too diverse and large for Zelda to be affecting Mario much. They're both Nintendo characters, yeah, but they're different franchises with different fanbases nontheless. Mario would go up without Zelda in the poll, but he wouldn't shoot up. Luigi is direct overlap. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| Majin Lou | Posted 10/31/2008 9:53:26 PM | message detail |
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This is one interesting match we got going on here. --- But the scars of memory never fade away. I can't stop loving you. Stop my tears. Stop my loving. Kill my memories. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 9:53:30 PM | message detail |
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Whoa, Chief. Too close to Kirby there! Come on, night vote! Would Kirby really pull away during the night? I don't know much about his night vote (other than the fact that it can't be too great when looking at his day vote), but the idea of a Nintendo character winning the night against anyone not named Sora is just weird. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:54:07 PM | message detail |
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PartOfYourWorld (#329) He was clobbered in the night vote last round against Boss --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 9:54:39 PM | message detail |
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MC has a decent night vote (compared to his Power Hour), from what I remember. Kirby certainly doesn't win it. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 9:54:49 PM | message detail |
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Would Kirby really pull away during the night? Not for Kirby's sake (though MC is worse with the night vote than he is now)! For Big Boss's sake! The guy increased 5% from his Power Hour to his night vote average! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%) |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 9:55:23 PM | message detail |
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Oh, he is? Nevermind. >_> --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 9:55:44 PM | message detail |
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Heck yeah. Big Boss's sake is all that matters here. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:56:09 PM | message detail |
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If Boss can't even win the power hour (Chiefs weakest time), It doesn't look good for him --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 9:56:22 PM | message detail |
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Well, according to the last round, MC was worse with the night vote. XBox characters are generally not so good at night anyway. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%) |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/31/2008 9:56:23 PM | message detail |
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And for the record, I have no problem with people saying X is SFFing Y
and Y is SFFing X in the same sentence; it's just a bit confusing. The
real problem is that people think of SFF as a very specialized factor
that applies only in a few cases of extreme fanbase overlap: no, there
is a great deal of overlap in almost every match, with the joke
characters being the only ones who are really independent. --- Crono's quest to kick L-Block out of this contest: Round 3: Crono vs. L-Block vs. Pikachu vs. Alucard |
| Gaddswell | Posted 10/31/2008 9:56:41 PM | message detail |
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At least Kirby`s making big gains after those stalls. But yeah, he should do significantly worse in the night. --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u205/MapleMasta/IkeClimbers2.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDaGWrPcjb8 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/31/2008 9:56:41 PM | message detail |
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There's your problem. You're using SFF only to describe situations
where there's a clearly skewed result, such as Link/Ganon. SFF covers
any match with overlap, Kirby/Bowser being the best close, 1v1 example
I can think of. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 9:57:29 PM | message detail |
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BT, SFF can cover any overlap, but also using LFF makes things so much easier. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| Yesmar | Posted 10/31/2008 9:58:20 PM | message detail |
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Master Chief has been decent with the Power Hour when compared with the night vote for the past two years now. --- "He is sleeping with the ultimate failure."--Chris Redfield |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 9:58:22 PM | message detail |
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Okay, enough arguing about technical terms! Power Hour is almost over! The night vote is coming! *salutes* --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%) |
| ZFS | Posted 10/31/2008 9:58:31 PM | message detail |
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1. I seriously doubt Mario flattens Luigi. They have pretty distinct
and unique fanbases (at least as much as two characters with their kind
of relationship can have), and Luigi has shown himself to be great with
SFF iin this format anyway. Luigi's done well against Ganon and Bowser - but neither have proven to be all that good with SFF. He's gotta go up against someone who's much stronger than either of those two and better with SFF, too. He may not get completely obliterated, but I can't see him holding up like some people believe. Not against Mario. Mario would go up without Zelda in the poll, but he wouldn't shoot up. Definitely disagree with this. If Zelda weren't in the poll, Mario would have done a good bit better than he did. She was taking up 20% of the vote there, and I think he would have taken a big chunk of that. I think MMX/Luigi/Liquid is definitely a better draw for him than Zelda/MMX/Mudkip. --- http://i34.tinypic.com/eff04y.gif |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/31/2008 9:58:46 PM | message detail |
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I think it overcomplicates things since LFF is totally ambiguous, and a
bit of a misnomer. You run into the same problem if say, Mario and
Luigi split evenly, both getting the same percentage, but X and Liquid
advance due to that. Neither is leeching the other, they are just
SFFing eachother. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/31/2008 9:59:06 PM | message detail |
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SFF = Dog LFF = German Shepard understand? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Character Battle 2008: Points 159/224 Today's Match: Master Chief > Kirby |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 10:00:03 PM | message detail |
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Well, we'll see soon enough. Or in a week. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 10:00:19 PM | message detail |
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I'm really hoping that Dante and Leon make it through now... maybe they can LFF eachother enough next round for Kirby > Chief --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/aero/Albion+Hero.png |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 10:01:21 PM | message detail |
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All right, Big Boss and Raiden end the Power Hour on a high note! Night vote time! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: 1st place, 38857 votes (30.47%) |
| Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/31/2008 10:01:42 PM | message detail |
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| paraboxx | Posted 10/31/2008 10:01:46 PM | message detail |
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SFF = Dog LFF = German Shepard understand? I was convinced I knew what these terms meant until I read this. |
