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Calintares | Posted 10/31/2008 9:17:42 AM | message detail
What percentage would Crono be expected to get on Cloud?

Do you think Cloud would SFF Crono?

Would Cloud and Crono LFF each other if in a match together with say... Master Chief?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:17:44 AM | message detail
These are the kinds of matches I like. 2 characters with very similiar trends who stay close all day long
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/31/2008 9:18:31 AM | message detail
Crono would probably stand up better against Cloud that most Square characters, but it still wouldn't be pretty.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:19:20 AM | message detail
I don't see crono doing much worse on Cloud then his normal percentage against someone who is Clouds level. New Square and Old Square are a different beast
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/31/2008 9:27:27 AM | message detail
For what it's worth:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2762
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
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Calintares | Posted 10/31/2008 9:34:29 AM | message detail
Who would be in the better position to SFF Cecil?

Kefka, due to being from the superior SNES-FF, and draining the "I have a load of remakes on the PSX and the GBA" strength. and all the "I am going to be in Dissidia" strength

or

Post-CTDS Crono, due to draining away all the "Old Square being remade/ported to the DS" strength of FFIVDS, and draining some of the the "I have a good SNES rpg" strength?

also, where does the FFIV-characters get most of their strength from? FFIV, FFIVA or FFIVDS?

and do you think Kefka is able to SFF anyone?
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TRE Public Account | Posted 10/31/2008 9:35:45 AM | message detail
Because it's Cloud. People are throwing around the idea of Cloud hurting Mewtwo. Cloud affecting Sora is pretty normal compared to that.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:36:31 AM | message detail
Cloud is kinda like Link... he SFFs anyone, especially in the RPG genre. Mewtwo is no different
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 9:43:41 AM | message detail
You know, I don't mind Cloud now that I'm a big Kingdom Hearts fan but he is still terrible and sucks and actually yes I do mind him.
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/31/2008 9:44:07 AM | message detail
I'm okay if it's not Cloud SFF'ing Mewtwo, but something's got to explain why Midna would currently double Ness almost as easily as Mewtwo did and Pac-Man's expected to do ~8% on Mewtwo than last round. Either something in Mewtwo's fanbase allows him to SFF Ness yet be LFF'd by Midna (which would be weird considering they each have very separate places in Nintendo's fanbase) or our fourth character Cloud is affecting him.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 9:46:07 AM | message detail
Pac Man is also strangely close to Mewtwo after last rounds match
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ffmasterjose | Posted 10/31/2008 10:02:53 AM | message detail
All of this overlap is making my head hurt.
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Calintares | Posted 10/31/2008 10:07:30 AM | message detail
How many instances do we know of where Cloud SFFd an opponent?

lets see...

there's maybe RPG SFF with Pikachu in 2002, though that seems unlikely.
maybe PlayStation SFF with Alucard in 2002, though Alucard held up pretty well.
In 2003 there was certainly FF-badass SFF against Auron
in 2004 there definitely was FF-lead/badass SFF against Squall, and maybe some RPG SFF against vyse
He might have SFFd Snake in 2006
In 2006 and 2007 he destroyed Sephiroth with FFVII SFF
It seemed like Kefka avoided FF SFF last year
He might have PlayStation SFFd Ocelot and Jill, but that is going out on a limb.

I think I got them all.

It seems that he has only really SFFd other new square characters
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satai_delenn | Posted 10/31/2008 10:09:42 AM | message detail
(on top of having KH:CoM on a completely different platform helping separate both of them from Cloud, though that will mean very little in comparison)

Just a note: Cloud was in Chain of Memories too. More than Squall was, actually, since he was a summon (and the best one in the game, no less).

I need to find reasons to take Cloud > Sora next round, though, so...I'm going to forget I said that. >_>
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/31/2008 10:17:40 AM | message detail
Possibly the case, and it's kinda funny you brought up Pikachu. If Cloud SFF'd Pika at all, then Fox SFF'ing Pikachu in 2k3 is all the more impressive...yet Pikachu's return to glory in 2k7 shouldn't have been as surprising. Hmmm.

Anyway, good points. Perhaps it's LFF in two different directions for Mewtwo then? Cloud/Mewtwo can still share a lot of fanbase and have it negatively affect Cloud and especially Mewtwo. Then again though, if that was the case, Cloud would be doing worse on Midna, not ~2% better (and it's only 1:00 PM right now). So, unless you want to say Mewtwo's SFF'ing Midna yet is being LFF'd by Cloud enough to make them even...but let's not even go there.


I don't know. **** this match. I want to see Snake-Kirby tomorrow.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/31/2008 10:18:44 AM | message detail
I did not know that...

...haha, summon-Cloud is SFF'ing Mewtwo down to the ground.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
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satai_delenn | Posted 10/31/2008 10:22:04 AM | message detail
That idea puts a smile on my face. Let's go, flying Omnislash...!
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/31/2008 10:39:30 AM | message detail
So looks like Cloud will end up with slightly more than Link in his Round 2 match. How does Mewtwo, Midna and Pac-Man compare to Zack, Zidane and Wario?
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satai_delenn | Posted 10/31/2008 10:45:33 AM | message detail
I'd take...Midna > Wario, Zidane > Pac-Man, and...hmm. Zack > Mewtwo, I think, though I'm less sure of that one.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/31/2008 10:53:48 AM | message detail
Depends on how strong you think Zack is, because Midna and Pac-man probably aren't far below Wario and Zidane. So who's stronger, Zack or Mewtwo? Personally i think Zack is, by a lot too. I expect him to get at least 28%, maybe 30%+ next round now that Zidane's outta the way. It's gonna be funny to see Duke and Altair fighting for the meager scraps left after Link and Zack are done.

So anyway, what do you guys think is gonna happen in tomorrow's match? I got Master Chief>Kirby, and i feel pretty confident in that, unless Big Boss gets another Naked Snake pic. Even if he does though, he's gonna be splitting with Raiden, so maybe Kirby still edges him out?
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/31/2008 10:55:04 AM | message detail
Mewtwo's looking to be the turd of Round 2.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/31/2008 10:55:31 AM | message detail
Zack > Mewtwo
Zidane > Midna
Wario = Pac-Man

That's my gut instinct, I don't think there's a lot in those 3 packs but factoring in Wario holding him back a little and a probable bad pic might give Link a slight edge.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/31/2008 10:57:06 AM | message detail
It's gonna be funny to see Duke and Altair fighting for the meager scraps left after Link and Zack are done.

I wouldn't put it like THAT. I think Zack will take 2nd without breaking a sweat but it's not like he'll be closer to Link than he is to Duke or any such dramatics.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/31/2008 11:01:00 AM | message detail
Zack got around 24% with Zidane in the poll. If he goes up now that Zidane's gone like i expect him to, and Link gets around 50% again, that leaves only about 20-22% for Duke and Altair to split between them. Like i said, scraps.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/31/2008 11:17:35 AM | message detail
Not only that, but Duke will have his sprite, so Altair will almost certainly beat him and Duke/Altair will lose a little percentage...and Zack will get a classic FF7-polygon look (if that matters at all). Throw in that we know they are each weaker than Marth, and Zack without another FF character should be able to clean house.

I imagine Duke/Altair will have 20% between the two of them, give or take a little, with Duke getting last place.
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edwardsdv | Posted 10/31/2008 11:19:36 AM | message detail
Overlooking Altair and the Duke..... that could be detrimental to your health.

i am calling it now Link>Altair
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/31/2008 11:21:06 AM | message detail
Overlooking Altair and the Duke..... that could be detrimental to your health.

i am calling it now Link>Altair


On SquintendoFAQs? Also, Altair's performance last round was notyhing special.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/31/2008 11:22:17 AM | message detail
Curses...I meant nothing*
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/31/2008 11:31:51 AM | message detail
Well the difference this year is that pics are user submitted so crappy Duke sprites and Solid **** are no longer a given. Heck he's accepted fanart on several occasions so Rpg Maker sprites could turn up next round and some of them are quite nice, I just wouldn't bet on certain characters being crushed by the matchpic anymore.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/31/2008 11:32:08 AM | message detail
I have almost no time to be here... I'm surprised to be on the top 50, though. No way I'm going to end up that way... the way L-Block looked this round I can't see it making it to the final and getting 2nd. It doesn't seem it'll be as static this year, but it actually seems to be more MC-like.

Holy crap at...
-Sora getting so close to Squall this year... what happened? Was Sora's low score in Sonic/Squall/Sora/Subby a fluke? Or did Sora just have a bad year in 2007? In any case, the Sora/Squall proportion was about the same this round as how they were in Round 2 of last contest.

-Midna this year. She's gone up a ton in strength, it seems, putting up a fight with Mewtwo. I never thought she'd have a chance here. I WAS wondering how she did so much better than Ocelot or Marcus against Cloud after getting blown away by Scorpion last year (who doesn't look very impressive this contest).

As for Round 1 shockers (oops, I'm late)...
-Captain Falcon killing Diddy Kong. What the...?! Captain seems to have gained a bit of muscle, but Diddy is just terrible.
-Tifa's showing against Sephiroth... WHOA. If Sephiroth can't SFF someone from his own game, can he have such an advantage over ANYBODY. We'll see what Auron can do. Also, I guess Vincent suffered so badly last only because of that phenomonal threesome he had to deal with.
-Sonic totally blowing it. Only 36% and 1.5x Magus' score is just terrible. It's true that Sandbag could've leeched some extra votes off Sonic, especially since several matches suggest Sonic gets leeched by Nintendo characters... but I'm just not sure.

Out of time...

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LordLockeRA | Posted 10/31/2008 11:40:02 AM | message detail
The easy answer is that Mewtwo is casual bait (everyone's heard of it, and for a Pokemon it's at least a badarse one), so throw it into a poll with two niche icons and an absolute relic of a character Mewtwo looks like a beast.

Then throw Mewtwo in with a vote-eating monster like Cloud and suddenly all those extra votes he's getting evaporate and he starts looking like fodder. Meanwhile, Minda pulls down about the same as she's always does because she's still got the Zelda vote backing her somewhat, even if she's more Tingle then Link in voting trends.

The only reason I'd see Mewtwo advancing next round (assuming he doesn't pull a DK and end up giving this one up to Minda) is if Sora and Squall split their vote evenly again next round with Cloud putting massive hurt on all three of 'em, but somehow I think Sora might walk out of that mess a lot cleaner-looking then expected, with Squall probably getting the bad end of the SFF deal there.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/31/2008 11:41:02 AM | message detail
-Captain Falcon killing Diddy Kong. What the...?! Captain seems to have gained a bit of muscle, but Diddy is just terrible.

Fox seemed to have SFFed Falcon more than we gave credit for.

-Tifa's showing against Sephiroth... WHOA. If Sephiroth can't SFF someone from his own game, can he have such an advantage over ANYBODY. We'll see what Auron can do. Also, I guess Vincent suffered so badly last only because of that phenomonal threesome he had to deal with.
-Sonic totally blowing it. Only 36% and 1.5x Magus' score is just terrible. It's true that Sandbag could've leeched some extra votes off Sonic, especially since several matches suggest Sonic gets leeched by Nintendo characters... but I'm just not sure.


These could probably be attributed to the fact that voters knew that the NN would never be in danger in round one.
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/31/2008 11:53:40 AM | message detail
Is tomorrow's pic up yet?
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/31/2008 11:59:32 AM | message detail
No, it's not.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/31/2008 12:11:30 PM | message detail
-Sonic totally blowing it. Only 36% and 1.5x Magus' score is just terrible. It's true that Sandbag could've leeched some extra votes off Sonic, especially since several matches suggest Sonic gets leeched by Nintendo characters... but I'm just not sure.

These could probably be attributed to the fact that voters knew that the NN would never be in danger in round one.


Still, though, you have to look at it comparatively. The NN have all beaten expectations this round, but it's all been by relatively the same amount. Even if Sonic gets the same boost this round, that puts him in terrible position against Auron.

Not to mention the near-Nobles suffered from the same thing. Auron is primed for a boost as well.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/31/2008 12:12:43 PM | message detail
aww yeah Squall massive underperformance in round 1 let's do this.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 12:16:53 PM | message detail
I think today is definitely Mewtwo being affected by Cloud + Nintendo LFF.

However, being affected by Cloud really hurts his R3 chances. Sora just became the favorite in my eyes.

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/31/2008 12:17:38 PM | message detail
You know, with how we're talking about him (or..uhh...not talking about him), Squall advancing seems like it just fits.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 12:18:35 PM | message detail
Not really. Sora got very close to him last round. Add in Cloud and Squall is done.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/31/2008 12:21:06 PM | message detail
None of the underperformances were particularly "massive", but Squall wasn't an 'obvious favorite' - he faced Yoshi, who was as sexy an upset pick before the contest as you could get. Still, he probably underperformed his "real" numbers a little. Despite being saddled with that goofy... thing, last match, he still managed to keep his proportion to Yoshi equal. All this while Sora nearly broke 48% against him. Give him the point or two he'd probably merit with a standard picture, and it validates the theory.

Meanwhile the strongest competition Auron faced was friggin' Sub-Zero, with Rydia and Fenix scrubbing up the leftovers. I definitely see room for relative improvement this round.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/31/2008 12:21:50 PM | message detail
I know KH. I was joking.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/31/2008 12:23:01 PM | message detail
Bad performance from Mewtwo, but I still think he can make some magic next round. He'll be in a very unique situation, and I can certainly see him benefiting from a unique, one-time boost due to said unique circumstances.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/31/2008 12:23:54 PM | message detail
Mewtwo can still easily advance next round, and I don't think he's any weaker than his R1 performance showed, but apparently being hurt by Cloud doesn't help his chances.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/31/2008 12:24:30 PM | message detail
ur wrong
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 12:39:50 PM | message detail
People are crazy if they think Cloud isn't going to do ANYTHING to Sora. He will...just not as much as he's going to do to Squall. Just because Sora was able to resist SFF to Squall two out of three times (this makes that round 3 performance last year really confusing now) doesn't mean he'll resist it against Cloud.

Mewtwo's got a shot. He's just gotta hope Cloud drills Sora big time.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 12:40:49 PM | message detail
And I think Mewtwo's got this. He's slowly but surely going up with the ASV. He's finally over 500 votes with the lead. Midna might pull the closest wire to wire match without ever taking the lead.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 12:50:06 PM | message detail
I'm kinda thinking people are reaching by saying Cloud's hurting Mewtwo here. It's like they're looking for an excuse to say he's still strong. Just say Midna's LFFing him and be done with it. It's the easiest explanation. He did better in the last round because he SFF'd Ness, and now he's getting LFF'd.

Besides, he couldn't come as close to an LFF'd Bowser as Phoenix Wright could. Maybe he's not all that. Sure, Phoenix was facing a Bowser who was on the receiving end of the LFF rather than the giving end, but still!
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/31/2008 12:51:30 PM | message detail
Looks like Mewtwo has this but no way he's not taking last next round. Who takes second between Squall and Sora I'm undecieded on.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 12:54:50 PM | message detail
If Squall still somehow advances, I'll be glad, but very surprised. I mean, Auron still nearly beat Ryu despite Cloud. Ryu looks to be a good bit stronger than Mewtwo, but Cloud and Squall have more overlap. Hopefully, things have changed some since 2004.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/31/2008 12:55:01 PM | message detail
Squall > Cloud, by the way
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