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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 613

RPGuy96 | Posted 10/29/2008 8:38:20 AM | message detail
Time | Hayabusa | Zero . | Snake . | Vivi
01:00 | 13.29% | 23.61% | 42.84% | 20.26%
02:00 | 13.64% | 22.01% | 44.10% | 20.25%
03:00 | 14.46% | 21.81% | 43.09% | 20.64%
04:00 | 13.60% | 21.19% | 44.96% | 20.25%
05:00 | 13.88% | 19.44% | 44.68% | 22.00%
06:00 | 13.45% | 19.72% | 44.54% | 22.30%
07:00 | 12.77% | 19.82% | 46.26% | 21.14%
08:00 | 13.38% | 19.94% | 44.74% | 21.94%
09:00 | 13.62% | 20.51% | 43.74% | 22.13%
10:00 | 14.11% | 19.62% | 43.25% | 23.02%
11:00 | 14.16% | 20.81% | 42.54% | 22.49%

Zero was immune from the 3 hour dropoff that plagued Mega Man and CT characters last year, but it looks like he fell into that trap this year while CT escaped it. Vivi held up very well in the morning, which augers well for him during the ASV.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/29/2008 8:38:53 AM | message detail
For those of us who actually use the ignore feature around annoying users, why is BT supposed to close his account?
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 10/29/2008 8:39:31 AM | message detail
He said he would close his account if Snake got 43-45%.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/29/2008 8:42:06 AM | message detail
07:00 | 12.77% | 19.82% | 46.26% | 21.14%
08:00 | 13.38% | 19.94% | 44.74% | 21.94%


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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/29/2008 8:42:09 AM | message detail

__Smurf__ (#097)
Check the match again, Zero did not match Link's ASV he had less than that and most of his ASV gain was at the expense from the collapse of Crono who has the worst ASV in the whole contest. As well as that he was on freaking 11% so any slight upturn would result in huge percentage leaps. If you know anything about MM voting trends you'll know that they're incredibly frontloaded like Chrono Trigger and do not do well with the ASV.



Despite the fact that none of that actually means anything in the face of the statisical fact that Zero went up in % as much as Link did with the ASV vote, I also submit that Zero IMPROVED against Ryu going from the During School Vote to the After School Vote last round. If you think Ryu is going to win the day vote, then if round 1 trends hold over, Zero will improve even more in relation
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hailEC | Posted 10/29/2008 8:45:43 AM | message detail
Except it's far easier to increase your % when you're only pulling in 10% compared to 50%. I don't know the actual numbers, but the point stands. His ASV is not better than or on par with Link's, and if you think it is, you should be committed.

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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/29/2008 8:45:57 AM | message detail
Well then. I did not expect this after I went to sleep last night.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 8:46:24 AM | message detail
Zero got killed with the morning vote, why is the winner of the ASV still being debated?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/29/2008 8:47:38 AM | message detail
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hailEC | Posted 10/29/2008 8:48:18 AM | message detail
Because MM characters have notoriously awful morning votes. It's not like Zero was getting absolutely crushed. The match is still plenty debatable, though I'll side with Vivi for now. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if Zero won though. The lead is going to be small enough that the ASV slightly favoring Zero could be enough to put him on top.

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Master Moltar | Posted 10/29/2008 8:48:42 AM | message detail
well at least brawl did one good thing

solid snake with a day vote confirmed

he's unstoppable
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hailEC | Posted 10/29/2008 8:49:15 AM | message detail
no that's eli

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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 8:50:18 AM | message detail
MM has notoriously awful ASV's as well, luckily enough.
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hailEC | Posted 10/29/2008 8:51:26 AM | message detail
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hailEC | Posted 10/29/2008 8:52:24 AM | message detail
not half as bad as their mornings. It's not like Zero was getting crushed in the morning. All he needs to do is be a fraction better with the ASV than he is with the morning vote, and he can win. You're dumb.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/29/2008 8:52:51 AM | message detail
Zero's meh ASV won't matter since he and Mega Man are second only to Chrono Trigger characters in terms of evening votes.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/29/2008 8:54:21 AM | message detail
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/29/2008 8:55:03 AM | message detail
And for the record, with the Snake getting 43% comment, I was implying that if he did that well, I might as well close my account now.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/29/2008 9:01:41 AM | message detail
To everyone: What lead do you think Vivi needs by the time the ASV starts to win?

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/29/2008 9:03:11 AM | message detail
By 6pm, Vivi needs at least 600. Zero can probably swing that much just from 6-midnight. I still think he wins the ASV over Vivi.
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hailEC | Posted 10/29/2008 9:03:38 AM | message detail
He doesn't even "need" a lead. He can arguably win the ASV straight-up. There's no magical number that he needs to attain for victory, though if he got a 1,000 vote lead (which is never gonna happen), would of course make him a lock.

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TRE Public Account | Posted 10/29/2008 9:05:52 AM | message detail
And for the record, with the Snake getting 43% comment, I was implying that if he did that well, I might as well close my account now.

"If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now."

That doesn't look implict to me. <_<
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hailEC | Posted 10/29/2008 9:06:30 AM | message detail
By "right now" he obviously meant after the Snake/MM match. Obviously.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/29/2008 9:07:33 AM | message detail
Your FACE doesn't look implicit to me
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ddr_dancer | Posted 10/29/2008 9:13:52 AM | message detail
Jesus tapdancing Christ is Snake impressing here. I'm rapidly losing faith in Mega > Snake...

Snake > Mega Man was pretty much a lock even before the contest, I'll bet my account on it
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/29/2008 9:14:31 AM | message detail
I think it's safe to say that we'll ALL bet our accounts on Snake > MM
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edwardsdv | Posted 10/29/2008 9:19:03 AM | message detail
Jesus H Christ, if not for screwing up Mudkip and Sho so badly I might actually have stood a chance the way this is going.

And yes what Frog did to Axel is called cheating but it was hilarious.

As for this matchup, im thinking ( as I predicted) That Vivi will pull it out and shock the world.( And show bad horse for that matter)

Snake FTW!!!
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/29/2008 9:22:25 AM | message detail
man this match is gonna be beautiful

Snake above 43% AND Vivi wins. bye bye bt
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 9:25:40 AM | message detail
Why Mega Man will lose to Companion Cube next round without needing Zero to SFF him

Constant joke character values is a relatively proven theory that we've seen from the verious item characters. Generally all falling in there and around the high 20%'s. There's some degree of variation but 26-33 is about as wild as it's got thus far with L-Block, Cube and Sandbag combined. This is why L-Block prospered when faced in matches with more than 1 noble niner. The notion of L-Block getting stronger as the contest went in on is false, he stayed where he was and moved up the ranks as the competition got stronger and were able to muster lower and lower %'s. Even look yesterday, Cube turning a 500 vote lead to 8000+ over Tidus for no good reason. If you didn't notice it already, the items stay the same while everyone else drops in the face of tougher competition.

My theory which I've based my whole bracket on is that the joke characters will churn in a consistent rate, I say 28%. It's a fair value as like I've said block, Cube and Sandbag have all got between that 26-33 range regardless of opposition. It's the protest voter block or whatever you want to call it.

That assumed there's 72% for the other 3 characters to share, regardless of who they are. This is fine for MM when Nero and Tidus are the other two. When Snake and Vivi are the other two he's left with a lot less %, not nearly enough in fact.

Taking the values from last year which if anything are very optimistic for MM shows the following result.

Snake 30.88%
Cube 28.49%
Mega Man 25.85%
Vivi 15.56%


I reckon Snake will soar higher which if anything gives MM even less of a chance. Zero getting in would have provided a nice excuse for his blunder but with Vivi there's no such cover up.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/29/2008 9:27:10 AM | message detail
I still think MM advances if Vivi is there. Vivi shouldn't get more then 10%, which should serve as a nice cushin for MM and Snake to beat WCC
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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/29/2008 9:27:59 AM | message detail
thanks smurf
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Shast One | Posted 10/29/2008 9:28:20 AM | message detail
you don't need relativities and theories to know Vivi shall advance
__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 9:32:26 AM | message detail
uh ok kleenex. if you don't want to discuss things don't come here. >_>

I still think MM advances if Vivi is there. Vivi shouldn't get more then 10%, which should serve as a nice cushin for MM and Snake to beat WCC

As the only Square character there I doubt it. Snake might not even double Vivi today, there's no reason for that head to head value to change dramatically, so if Snake gets 30% I doubt Vivi would be far from 15%. No logical reason why Snake would go from nearly doubling to more than tripling him which would be required should Vivi drop to 10%. If anything Vivi has always proved to have a solid voter base, like when he pulled 30% while being SFF'd by Sephiroth.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/29/2008 9:33:48 AM | message detail
No logical reason why Snake would go from nearly doubling to more than tripling him which would be required should Vivi drop to 10%

Because adding in another noble niner can have more SFF and make Vivi look worse
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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/29/2008 9:35:43 AM | message detail
There's really nothing to discuss here. WCC certainly has a shot at upending Mega Man next round, but it's pretty clear that you're just spouting your regular anti-Mega Man crap and everyone here knows it.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 9:35:48 AM | message detail
But what has Vivi's fanbase got to do with Mega Man? There's clearly no fanbase overlap or him and Zero wouldn't have nearly 43% combined in a poll with Snake there.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/29/2008 9:36:50 AM | message detail
and theres obviously no fanbase overlap with ryu and snake cuz they're from different systems and diferent genre of action games, yet they SFF
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Majin Lou | Posted 10/29/2008 9:37:59 AM | message detail
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 9:39:10 AM | message detail
There's really nothing to discuss here. WCC certainly has a shot at upending Mega Man next round, but it's pretty clear that you're just spouting your regular anti-Mega Man crap and everyone here knows it.

mageman sux = anti-mega man crap.

Giving a post with a rationale and stat quotations is hardly "crap". If you think there's something false in it by all means point it out. And everyone doesn't accept that Cube has a real and maybe even likely shot at 2nd next round so it's hardly redundant gloating bringing it up.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/29/2008 9:41:39 AM | message detail
smurf the only Noble niner going out early is gonna be sonic. auron > sandbag
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 9:41:39 AM | message detail
and theres obviously no fanbase overlap with ryu and snake cuz they're from different systems and diferent genre of action games, yet they SFF

Casual bait. Unless you're implying that Vivi is going to be randomly SFFed by MM when a character in the exact same series wouldn't. Do you really believe that?

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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 9:43:16 AM | message detail
smurf the only Noble niner going out early is gonna be sonic. auron > sandbag

From a guy who bases his predictions on random SFF this prediction doesn't surprise me. I suppose Pac-Man is a shoe in for the final too.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/29/2008 9:44:40 AM | message detail
You said the reason yourself, smurf. static joke percentage. with Subby there, he shouldn't get less then 15%, then auron should get quite a bit, and with Sandbag LFFing Sonic, he should beat him out by just a little bit.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/29/2008 9:45:47 AM | message detail
Ryu H is just unfortunately a tier of badassery lower than Snake

I mean they're side by side right there and it's like asking you "hay you wanna vote for the ninja OR THIS OLD GUY" clearly there's no contest
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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/29/2008 9:48:42 AM | message detail
Your "rationale" completely wrong. Saying that joke character are guaranteed a static percentage isn't a new theory and it hasn't been proven. Not to mention that saying L-Block didn't get stronger over the course of last year is a flat out lie. Stop looking at the percentages and look at the votes.

Round 1 - 40116
Round 2 - 37825
Round 3 - 40774
Round 4 - 44753
Round 5 - 56925
Round 6 - 65462

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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 9:49:58 AM | message detail
For one Sonic's value is higher than Auron's. And for another Sandbag has showed more "normal" trends than Cube and L-Block which might not give him as static a value. In other words I expect him to drop to the low twenties at best, not nearly enough. Though I'd be pleased if you're right and Sonic was removed from this. There's no credibility from success in an SB run contest.

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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 9:55:28 AM | message detail
votals increase in later rounds, or is that news to you? For example Snake got roughly the same amount of votes with Kratos and Riku as he did with Sonic and Squall. Do you think that Snake boosted between that round as well? There was a degree of L-Block improvement, but it was minor. Even looking at votals his Round 1 performance was almost 40% of his final performance. Which is at worst Samus strength.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 10/29/2008 9:57:22 AM | message detail
A fine set of stats Smurf, but keep in mind that this matchup will be taking place in the sprite round, a round where as we saw last year, Mega Man is able to perform nearly at the Samus' level. And where, incidentally, Snake is going to look like an awful blob, Vivi will be pixelated instead of having the full on "cute black mage" factor like today, and Cube... well, no idea what Cube's going to look like, but I doubt its as appealing or stands out as well as what it had yesterday.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/29/2008 9:58:56 AM | message detail
Oh yeah, sprite round. If vivi is there, no question MM advances
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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/29/2008 9:59:28 AM | message detail
What the hell are you talking about? Getting "roughly the same amount of votes" between two rounds isn't even close to jumping 10000 votes from one day to the next.
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