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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/28/2008 9:22:33 PM | message detail
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~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Ulti and MMX's Contest Site (some offensive language)*~
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html

~*aprosenf's poll script*~
http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/28/2008 9:25:44 PM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/28/2008 9:26:14 PM | message detail
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Iamthekuzalol | Posted 10/28/2008 9:48:01 PM | message detail
Snake > Cloud > Sephiroth

BELIEVE!!!!!!!!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/28/2008 11:09:45 PM | message detail
he makes his own
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/28/2008 11:43:18 PM | message detail
top tier stats topic open
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Ryu/Zero/Snake/Vivi - Bracket: Snake > Zero - Vote: Snake (141/200)
vash_131 | Posted 10/28/2008 11:44:07 PM | message detail
I have a feeling WCC's gonna beat out MM in the next round ._.
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transience | Posted 10/29/2008 12:39:54 AM | message detail
well, Riku/Ryu finally makes sense at least
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CP724 | Posted 10/29/2008 2:01:24 AM | message detail
Vivi trying to mount a comeback?
HaRRicH | Posted 10/29/2008 2:04:22 AM | message detail
Yeah, Hayabusa should have gone on to fight Kratos last year...and Hayabusa/Kratos would have been good. Seeing Hayabusa abused by Solid again brings up some fun though. Solid doesn't need help impressing when he's got 43.5% of the vote, but it's worth noting Solid currently gets 23.9% on Hayabusa... as opposed to 28.38% last year pre-NG2 and with Nightmare (if that mattered). That's a 4.48% difference even though Hayabusa got a new game and got away from a character who may have taken his fighting fans. This is a big testament of how Solid is doing this year, even if Hayabusa regains a lot of ground with the ASV.

It doesn't hurt he's currently beating Vivi worse than the last round, too.
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voltch | Posted 10/29/2008 2:05:52 AM | message detail
So Vivi is roughly zero's level,pretty impressive.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/29/2008 2:13:33 AM | message detail
Vivi trying to mount a comeback?

A very slow comeback, but I have hope in Zero to hold him off. Vivi should rot away during the morning vote and the ASV.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/29/2008 2:31:35 AM | message detail
BT closes his account if Zero loses here (and Snake wins next round over Mega Man) right? So why aren't you guys rallying for Vivi?

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/29/2008 2:32:15 AM | message detail
Less than 500 votes until Vivi takes the lead.

Snake doesn't look like he'll be hitting 44% before the morning.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 10/29/2008 2:41:12 AM | message detail
O_O

I have an account on the leaderboard. I profess myself shocked and awesome. Iwannaalt is the universal name, isn't it awesome and clearly not intended for anything but to be a space account?
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/29/2008 2:44:43 AM | message detail
BT is acctually supposed to close that account of his if Snake broke 43.

his own words <_<
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Zenithian Legend | Posted 10/29/2008 2:46:40 AM | message detail
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 10/29/2008 2:48:35 AM | message detail
By the end of the match Shoe, and he's now chickened out of it because he said he meant if Snake got 43% AND Zero finished 3rd. So yeah, BT is epic fail.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/29/2008 3:18:49 AM | message detail
Zero's lead is down to 434. That's the lowest i've seen it in several hours, though i haven't been checking every update. Really close battle we got goin on here.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 3:20:14 AM | message detail
Vivi's got this, no way Zero wins the day vote.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/29/2008 3:24:52 AM | message detail
I'm really impressed with Snake here. This 4-pack is arguably stronger than Samus Aran's and he's way above 40% and no signs of dropping off significantly.

Snake is finally over the hump.


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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/29/2008 3:25:09 AM | message detail
Do you have evidence of Vivi having a stronger day vote than Zero, or are you just saying that because of your hatred of everything Mega Man related?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/29/2008 3:28:22 AM | message detail
Vivi's got this, no way Zero wins the day vote.

Vivi sucks in the day time, so it comes down to who is better in the day.
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shadow8021 | Posted 10/29/2008 3:33:43 AM | message detail
Pssh, as bad as both Vivi and Zero are with the day vote, Hayabusa could mount a huge comeback with it! Seriously, I think Zero will do better than Vivi though.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/29/2008 3:37:15 AM | message detail
22 vote cut by Vivi... i can't decide who to root for. Normally i'd want Zero to win, but i don't want Mega Man to lose to the cube next round...
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Iamthekuzalol | Posted 10/29/2008 3:48:19 AM | message detail
Snake definitely has a slightly stronger pack than Samus.

Ganondorf > Zero
Ganondorf is clearly 1 level above that of Zero, no explanation needed.

Vivi > Frog
Vivi is quite possibly stronger than Riku especially if we talk about their respective performance against Leon and Ryu.H. Frog struggled against freaking Axel (Riku >>>>>> Axel). Need i say more.

Ryu.H > Nightmare
Ryu.H beat Nightmare comfortably last year.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 3:49:20 AM | message detail
In their last matches from this point to the end Zero lost over 1.50% while Vivi lost 0.06%.

This is long over, Vivi to win by 1000+
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 3:50:37 AM | message detail

Vivi sucks in the day time, so it comes down to who is better in the day.


He doesn't majorly suck at all during the day, I'd say he's average in the day more than anything. Zero is the one who's awful during the day.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 3:56:06 AM | message detail
I'm really impressed with Snake here. This 4-pack is arguably stronger than Samus Aran's and he's way above 40% and no signs of dropping off significantly.

I'm not all that much, we're talking about 3 midcarders here and I wouldn't even toy with the idea of calling any of these upper midcarders. Samus had Ganon and Frog who'd both probably clean house in this group.
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consolefreak | Posted 10/29/2008 3:56:18 AM | message detail
Wow Snake, great stuff here. Definitely feeling good about Snake > Cloud with Sephiroth there.

BT is acctually supposed to close that account of his if Snake broke 43.

his own words <_<


By the end of the match Shoe, and he's now chickened out of it because he said he meant if Snake got 43% AND Zero finished 3rd. So yeah, BT is epic fail.

Could still happen.
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consolefreak | Posted 10/29/2008 3:57:26 AM | message detail
I'm not all that much, we're talking about 3 midcarders here and I wouldn't even toy with the idea of calling any of these upper midcarders. Samus had Ganon and Frog who'd both probably clean house in this group.

Frog would clean house in this group? Frog?
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 3:58:07 AM | message detail
Do you have evidence of Vivi having a stronger day vote than Zero, or are you just saying that because of your hatred of everything Mega Man related?

MM characters like CT characters follow the typical obsolete character trends in that they have a strong initial vote then steadily die as the day goes on.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 3:59:53 AM | message detail
Frog would clean house in this group? Frog?

In a 3 pack where Ryu Hayabusha is legitimately the strongest? Yeah I'd go with that.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/29/2008 4:04:19 AM | message detail
Well Zero's lead was down to 388, but just went up a bit to 392. Vivi's definitely gaining on him, but will it be enough to pass Zero and hold him off during the SNV?
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 4:06:21 AM | message detail
Well he chipped a grand total of 5 votes off Hayabusha during the SNV so I'm sure Vivi isn't too worried.
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Zenithian Legend | Posted 10/29/2008 4:08:02 AM | message detail
I hope not... for my bracket's sake at least. Go Zero! Then ruin Mega Man's vote next round so that goofy Cube can take 2nd.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/29/2008 4:09:45 AM | message detail
Yeah, but at the rate Vivi's going he might only have a 5 vote lead by the time the SNV starts. Barely made a 14 cut right now.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/29/2008 4:10:37 AM | message detail
Well Zero's lead was down to 388, but just went up a bit to 392. Vivi's definitely gaining on him, but will it be enough to pass Zero and hold him off during the SNV?

Zero actually does pretty good in the SNV. A comparison and Vivi's and Zero's trends for their round 1 matches:

Time | Zero | Vivi
PHV | 36.36% | 26.08%
FNV | 37.56% | 25.92%
BSV | 34.09% | 26.98%
DSV | 34.82% | 26.64%
ASV | 34.68% | 25.35%
SNV | 37.22% | 25.16%
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Iamthekuzalol | Posted 10/29/2008 4:11:05 AM | message detail
Samus had Ganon and Frog who'd both probably clean house in this group.

You mean the same Frog that went almost even with Axel. Axel scored only 30% on MM, oh wait, MM is actually stronger than Link and that is why Axel/Frog can clean house in this group. MM will double Sonic if they actually meet up again.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/29/2008 4:12:03 AM | message detail
Yeah, but at the rate Vivi's going he might only have a 5 vote lead by the time the SNV starts.

You can't mean SNV (Second Night Vote) here, because that's from 10:00 PM to 12:00 AM EST. You probably mean either DSV or ASV.
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Zenithian Legend | Posted 10/29/2008 4:12:11 AM | message detail
Honestly Smurf if you'd use your damn brain you'd want Zero to win so Zero can put Mega Man (who you hate so much) out of the tournament by stealing his votes in the next round. I know it's tricky, but try to focus your disdain for Mega Man instead of just spouting off nonsense.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/29/2008 4:13:24 AM | message detail
Followed by a 19 cut. Eh, i suppose he'll have a bigger lead than 5 by SNV. Ah well, at least if he beats Zero then MM should beat Cube next round.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 4:13:36 AM | message detail
When did I say I wanted Vivi to win?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/29/2008 4:17:05 AM | message detail
Followed by a 19 cut. Eh, i suppose he'll have a bigger lead than 5 by SNV.

Correction: DSV

PHV = 12:00 AM to 1:00 AM
FNV = 1:00 AM to 6:00 AM
BSV = 6:00 AM to 9:00 AM
DSV = 9:00 AM to 2:30 PM
ASV = 2:30 PM to 10:00 PM
SNV = 10:00 PM to 12:00 AM

All times are in EST. We are in the BSV right now. About 1 hour, 45 minutes until the DSV starts.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/29/2008 4:23:46 AM | message detail
Wow, okay looking at those R1 comparisons Vivi drops with the ASV quite a bit more than Zero does. Vivi should continue to make small gains with the DSV but once ASV hits i bet Zero starts gaining again, then widens the gap even more with the SNV.

And yeah i had the times way wrong, thanks for the correction luster.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 4:41:07 AM | message detail
Relative to their final score Vivi's ASV is quite a bit stronger than Zero's actually. The notion of Zero winning an ASV would be insane.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2008 4:44:28 AM | message detail
Prediction

8:00 Zero leads by 250
10:00 Level
12:00 Vivi leads by 300
3:00 Vivi leads by 600
6:00 Vivi leads by 1000
8:00 Vivi leads by 1200
10:00 Vivi leads by 1100
12:00 Vivi leads by 900

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EternalxCourage | Posted 10/29/2008 4:59:52 AM | message detail
Lol. Smurf has no idea. Zero wins.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/29/2008 5:01:54 AM | message detail
Hah, it's 8:00 and Zero leads by more than 250. Smurf's prediction = BROKEN. Woohoo Zero wins!
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CP724 | Posted 10/29/2008 5:05:17 AM | message detail
Anyone high on the leaderboard have Snake>Vivi?
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