GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 612
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/28/2008 5:04:18 PM | message detail |
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There is a HUGE difference between "independent" and "hardcore." The
characters that we thought were hardcore before the contest last year
more or less universally failed to take advantage of the format.
Independent characters- many of which we did not identify before the
contest- did extremely well. CT is the epitomy of a "hardcore" game
here, and it did poorly last year (Frog barely beat Axel, Magus got
destroyed by Big Boss, Crono lost to Vincent). But CT is the complete
opposite of an independent game- how many CT fans aren't fans of many,
many, other games? As for FFVII, that falls under independent more than hardcore, I think, although it's fanbase is also very loyal in addition to being rather independent. Of the 24% of the site with FFVII as their favorite game, for how many was it their first RPG? Do you think that group or the other 76% has played more games on average? It was argued last year that Crono was supposed to beat Vincent because of having more hardcore fans (and it's pretty safe to say that his fans are indeed more hardcore as Vincent has a much larger fanbase from which to draw). The supposed boost for hardcore characters just never materialized. --- Crono's quest to kick L-Block out of this contest: Round 3: Crono vs. L-Block vs. Pikachu vs. Alucard |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/28/2008 5:04:33 PM | message detail |
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Alrighty, lemme know what you guys think. Feel free to give me
suggestions or call me crazy (if the former is too time consuming). I
tried to include both games that deserved to make it and ones that
would function as good pieces of fodder and niche fanbase-appeasers.
Also, the 64 games span 42 series, so I think there's some good variety
to be found: FINAL FANTASY (5;5) Final Fantasy III/VI Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy VIII Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy Tactics THE LEGEND OF ZELDA (5;10) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess SUPER MARIO (4;14) Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World Super Mario 64 Super Mario Galaxy SUPER SMASH BROS. (2;16) Super Smash Bros. Melee Super Smash Bros. Brawl SONIC THE HEDGEHOG (2;18) Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Sonic Adventure 2 METAL GEAR (3;21) Metal Gear Solid Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots MEGA MAN (1;22) Mega Man 2 RESIDENT EVIL (2;24) Resident Evil 2 Resident Evil 4 STREET FIGHTER (1;25) Street Fighter II KINGDOM HEARTS (2:27) Kingdom Hearts Kingdom Hearts II CASTLEVANIA (1;28) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night MARIO KART (1;29) Super Mario Kart MEGA MAN X (1;30) Mega Man X HALO (2;32) Halo: Combat Evolved Halo 2 WARCRAFT (1;33) World of Warcraft DEVIL MAY CRY (1;34) Devil May Cry GRAND THEFT AUTO (2:36) Grand Theft Auto III Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas THE ELDER SCROLLS (1;37) The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion SOUL CALIBUR (1;38) Soul Calibur II SILENT HILL (1;39) Silent Hill 2 METROID (2;41) Super Metroid Metroid Prime POKEMON (2;43) Pokemon Red/Blue Pokemon Gold/Silver DIABLO (1;44) Diablo II KIRBY (1;45) Kirby Super Star PAC-MAN (1;46) Pac-Man DONKEY KONG (1;47) Donkey Kong Country TETRIS (1;48) Tetris CHRONO (1;49) Chrono Trigger SUPER MARIO RPG (1;50) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars EARTHBOUND (1;51) Earthbound BOND 007 (1;52) Goldeneye 007 STARCRAFT (1;53) Starcraft HALF-LIFE (2;55) Half-Life Half-Life 2 STAR WARS (1:56) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic TALES OF (1:57) Tales of Symphonia XENOGEARS (1;58) Xenogears FIRE EMBLEM (1;59) Fire Emblem GOD OF WAR (1;60) God of War GUITAR HERO (1;61) Guitar Hero CALL OF DUTY (1;62) Call of Duty 4 BIOSHOCK (1;63) Bioshock PORTAL (1;64) Portal --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Xuxon | Posted 10/28/2008 5:05:01 PM | message detail |
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Mario vs. MMX is quite easily explained by Nintendo LFF. Pyramid
Head is more of a niche fanbase doing well than a casual one doing
poorly. DK is lol. Why does Jill have a more hardcore fanbase than
Ocelot? Jill doesn't have more of a hardcore base than Ocelot. She's just more popular 1v1. That's why she lost when Cloud was in the match. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/22, Gemon defeated (16 attempts) Brawl FC: 0344-9611-6716 |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/28/2008 5:06:45 PM | message detail |
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ctrl + f "Gears of war" no results found --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/28/2008 5:07:29 PM | message detail |
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And the jury's still out on how Sonic is being affected by the format-
wait until we see him in 1v1s again. Characters do not need discernable
reasons to drop. Year-over-year variation and site demographic change
are enough. --- Crono's quest to kick L-Block out of this contest: Round 3: Crono vs. L-Block vs. Pikachu vs. Alucard |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/28/2008 5:08:02 PM | message detail |
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ctrl + f "Tales of Vesperia" no results found --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness Now we must duel, like two gleaming banjos on a moonlit stoop! -Dimentio, SPM |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/28/2008 5:08:30 PM | message detail |
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Seems Yo is hatin' on 2006 gaming... the top 2 games of 2006
universally on review sites and top game lists were Gears of War and
Okami, and this list has neither --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/28/2008 5:09:23 PM | message detail |
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yet he has kingdom hearts 2 which is a joke game. I guess we do need some joke games in the field though --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/28/2008 5:10:06 PM | message detail |
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I considered Gears, but I figured Bioshock (maybe slight bias in this
case), Portal, and Call of Duty 4 deserved it more. I completely forgot
about Okami, though, and should probably make some space for it. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/28/2008 5:10:09 PM | message detail |
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And the jury's still out on how Sonic is being affected by the
format- wait until we see him in 1v1s again. Characters do not need
discernable reasons to drop. Year-over-year variation and site
demographic change are enough. True - and the deboost alone is argument enough for Sonic dropping. But a Noble Niner dropping enough to having to struggle against Sub-Zero at night is completely without precedent, except for a few particular characters that proved to be massively overrated rather than having suffered any notably precipitous drops. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| BDawg | Posted 10/28/2008 5:11:00 PM | message detail |
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You know, today's numbers aren't a whole lot different than Sonic's match. Just more % for joke and less for 3rd. --- Should I start running now? |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/28/2008 5:11:16 PM | message detail |
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PartOfYourWorld (#209) You found enough space for 5 Zelda/FF games, but not enough for one of the top games of this gen? --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/28/2008 5:12:41 PM | message detail |
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Omitting Okami was a brain fart on my end. And yeah, I think a fifth
FF/Zelda game takes precedence over either Okami or Gears of War. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/28/2008 5:13:29 PM | message detail |
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You know, today's numbers aren't a whole lot different than Sonic's match. Just more % for joke and less for 3rd. Which goes to show that Sonic v Mega Man would probably be a decent match in this format - with Sonic sucking up with the format and Mega Man just plain sucking, I'd find it hard to call. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Tohoya | Posted 10/28/2008 5:13:42 PM | message detail |
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I only let one misidentification of jokefodder slide before I move
to putting people on permaignore, but I'll let you try again - lost to
Meta-Knight. You're so awesome for getting pissed at people not knowing your idiosyncratic jargon. You must be a pretty cool guy! And the jury's still out on how Sonic is being affected by the format- wait until we see him in 1v1s again. Characters do not need discernable reasons to drop. Year-over-year variation and site demographic change are enough. Can we at least agree to this? I can buy Sonic dropping a bit due to the format, but I have a hard time believing that his overall strength hasn't dropped as well. --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/28/2008 5:14:24 PM | message detail |
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You're so awesome for getting pissed at people not knowing your idiosyncratic jargon. You must be a pretty cool guy! ignored --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Tohoya | Posted 10/28/2008 5:15:40 PM | message detail |
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boo hoo --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/28/2008 5:17:49 PM | message detail |
| You know, now that I've thought about it, perhaps
there is a use for the term LFF after all. It makes my theory about
Chrono Trigger much easier to express: Chrono Trigger SFFs everything,
and is LFF'd by everything. The CT fanbase is more loyal than any other
fanbase of significant size, and it is less independent than any other
fanbase of significant size. --- Crono's quest to kick L-Block out of this contest: Round 3: Crono vs. L-Block vs. Pikachu vs. Alucard |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/28/2008 5:20:28 PM | message detail |
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Taking your format, I'm gonna replace some things and add some things to how I think would be a better list FINAL FANTASY Final Fantasy III/VI Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy Tactics THE LEGEND OF ZELDA The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess SUPER MARIO Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World Super Mario 64 Super Mario Galaxy SUPER SMASH BROS. Super Smash Bros. Melee Super Smash Bros. Brawl SONIC THE HEDGEHOG Sonic the Hedgehog 2 METAL GEAR Metal Gear Solid Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots MEGA MAN Mega Man 2 RESIDENT EVIL Resident Evil 4 STREET FIGHTER Street Fighter II KINGDOM HEARTS Kingdom Hearts CASTLEVANIA Castlevania: Symphony of the Night MARIO KART Super Mario Kart MEGA MAN X Mega Man X HALO Halo: Combat Evolved Halo 3 WARCRAFT World of Warcraft Warcraft III DEVIL MAY CRY Devil May Cry GRAND THEFT AUTO Grand Theft Auto III Grand Theft Auto IV THE ELDER SCROLLS The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind SOUL CALIBUR Soul Calibur II SILENT HILL Silent Hill 2 METROID (2;41) Super Metroid Metroid Prime POKEMON Pokemon Red/Blue Pokemon Gold/Silver DIABLO Diablo II SHINING FORCE Shining Force II PAC-MAN Pac-Man DONKEY KONG Donkey Kong Country 2 TETRIS Tetris CHRONO Chrono Trigger SUPER MARIO RPG Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars EARTHBOUND Earthbound BOND 007 Goldeneye 007 STARCRAFT Starcraft HALF-LIFE Half-Life Half-Life 2 STAR WARS Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic TALES OF Tales of Symphonia XENOGEARS Xenogears GEARS OF WAR Gears of War GOD OF WAR God of War GUITAR HERO Guitar Hero 2 CALL OF DUTY Call of Duty 4 BIOSHOCK Bioshock PORTAL Portal DISGAEA Disgaea LITTLEBIGPLANET Littlebigplanet DOOM Doom MADDEN Madden 2010 --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/28/2008 5:20:37 PM | message detail |
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And since CT SFFs everything, the effect
in 1v1s is almost invisible- it's a part of CT's inherent strength. But
the overlap, which favors CT disproportionately to the size of the
fanbases, is there, and you might expect to see it in votals, and....CT
has always had low votals! --- Crono's quest to kick L-Block out of this contest: Round 3: Crono vs. L-Block vs. Pikachu vs. Alucard |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/28/2008 5:24:13 PM | message detail |
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BTW for the redo of your list, I put one game per system from series,
because that would likely be the official rule anyway. So for instance
for FF, One SNES game, one PS1 game, and 1 PS2 game. FFT I kept cuz it
migth be excluded into a different series --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 5:35:34 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, Tidus is currently doing ~3.3% better on Mega Man
this year than in 2k4 (~38.5% to 35.22%). It could be a number of
factors, but still...if Mega Man wants to upset in the next round,
Solid will have to be a let-down or Solid **** be even more
damaging than before (if he doesn't get a codec-shot). Since we saw
Vivi beat Tidus last year, he may be a fun gauge to go by this round... ...though, unlike Tidus/Mega, we got to see Solid/Vivi last round as a nice sneak peak. Last round suggested Vivi barely avoids being doubled by Solid (33.47%). In this regard with Vivi/Tidus, it looks like Solid > Mega in a 57-43'ish situation. Assuming this is accurate and hold until the next round, the only time Solid **** has cost Solid enough percentage to cover that gap was against Frog -- which was in Solid's worst year as well, so perhaps that made his sprite all the more costly. Tomorrow will tell us more, but Mega Man can't like what Tidus is doing to him right now in relation to what Vivi did to Solid last round. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 5:36:33 PM | message detail |
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ff8 oh no --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/28/2008 5:37:54 PM | message detail |
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HaRRicH (#223) ? --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 5:45:07 PM | message detail |
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So for instance for FF, One SNES game, one PS1 game, and 1 PS2 game. FFT I kept cuz it migth be excluded into a different series That would practically guaranteed FF6, FF7, and FFX. FF8 can't compete with the returning champ for nominations, strength, or reason to be in the bracket. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/28/2008 6:00:42 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, your point? I can't see why the rules would allow more then one
game per system from a series.. without that rule, there would be
overkill of certain series. --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 6:01:33 PM | message detail |
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Another fun argument about Mega/Solid along those same lines: Vivi did
a little better against Solid than Nero did against Mega Man last
round. Nero is currently getting ~34.6% against Tidus. If Vivi >
Tidus, Mega Man's only hope of not being 65-35'd or worse by Solid
Snake would be the sprites. That's obviously not the case because of how extreme it is, but that's another pretty simple comparison that has a reasonable process and in favor for Solid. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 6:03:36 PM | message detail |
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The point is that a LOT of people have wanted to see how FF8 would do
in a contest since 2004 since it was arguably the biggest snub of the
contest, and to see it screwed by the same rule five years later would
really suck...especially since SB took the literal top 128-nominated
characters this year. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/28/2008 6:04:05 PM | message detail |
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Is anyone other than Turtle giving Mega Man a realistic shot? --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/28/2008 6:06:08 PM | message detail |
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HaRRicH (#228)especially since SB took the literal top 128-nominated characters this year. Yeah, I'm really sure Aeris was nominated less then Axel Steel or Tim Anyways, its overkill to have so many games from one series. --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 6:06:41 PM | message detail |
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I don't think so, but I do still find the comparisons interesting
outside of our bet. It's still a NN-VS-NN match and it's between two of
my favorite characters. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/28/2008 6:08:32 PM | message detail |
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I'm giving MM a shot too because YOU DO NOT TEMPT THE FATES hail nanomachines --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 10/28/2008 6:08:52 PM | message detail |
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Awesome Comments from Game Contest Expert Ngamer FINAL FANTASY (5;5) Final Fantasy III/VI Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy VIII Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy Tactics Perfect. THE LEGEND OF ZELDA (5;10) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Perfect, except, I don't really see a need for LA. 4 Zelda games is fine IMO when they span the eras as well as Lttp/OoT/MM/TP. SUPER MARIO (4;14) Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World Super Mario 64 Super Mario Galaxy Perfect, ALTHOUGH, you could almost make a case for Mario 1 due to the huge range it should potentially have. Personally though I'd rather just stick with these 4. SUPER SMASH BROS. (2;16) Super Smash Bros. Melee Super Smash Bros. Brawl Perfect, no need for 64. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG (2;18) Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Sonic Adventure 2 Eh, I'd rather see Sonic 3 & Knuckles, or if that wouldn't be allowed (probably not), Sonic 3. Just because S2 has already had its chance and failed. METAL GEAR (3;21) Metal Gear Solid Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Hmm... I know its weird to want to see as many MGS games as Mario/Zelda games, but honestly I would miss MGS2, just because there's so much debate for where all 4 of these fall out against one another. If one had to be cut though I'd rather see it be 3 instead of 2, as I'm still of the opinion that 3 is the weakest of the four (though not by much). MEGA MAN (1;22) Mega Man 2 Bah, we need to see both MM2 and MMX! (This is what I said before scrolling down to see MMX listed later on.) RESIDENT EVIL (2;24) Resident Evil 2 Resident Evil 4 Good, but really I wouldn't be upset even if RE2 was dropped. STREET FIGHTER (1;25) Street Fighter II Yup. KINGDOM HEARTS (2:27) Kingdom Hearts Kingdom Hearts II Yup. But I see one performing almost exactly like the other, so if only one of these made it in I wouldn't shed a tear. CASTLEVANIA (1;28) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Yes sir. MARIO KART (1;29) Super Mario Kart No, no, one thousand times no! For the 100th time, MK64 is going to be the best of the series- it had huge sales and will pull a very strong nostalgia factor for being THE multiplayer game of the N64 era for many gamers. Just with that the Kart series should be pretty well represented- don't see much of a need for DS or Wii or SMK. |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 10/28/2008 6:09:18 PM | message detail |
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MEGA MAN X (1;30) Mega Man X Already commented. HALO (2;32) Halo: Combat Evolved Halo 2 Ehhh, I guess I'd lean to H2 over H3, but meh, I'd be fine with letting the first game just stand in for the whole series, which I think it's going to do in any case. WARCRAFT (1;33) World of Warcraft Heck yes. DEVIL MAY CRY (1;34) Devil May Cry Good choice, just like it represent the whole DMC series. No need for anything else. GRAND THEFT AUTO (2:36) Grand Theft Auto III Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Got to disagree here. I think the more interesting question regarding this series is, what the heck happened to GTA4? All those glowing 10/10 reviews, and yet 6 weeks later no one was playing it. I'd rather see 4 in the Contest to try to get some answers there, and then one of the PS2 games to counter... 3 or VC or SA, you could make good cases for any of them. THE ELDER SCROLLS (1;37) The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Good, though even if this missed I wouldn't get broken up about it. SOUL CALIBUR (1;38) Soul Calibur II Agreed. SC2's got the best sales, covers the most platforms, has The Link Factor- should be a clear choice to represent the series. SILENT HILL (1;39) Silent Hill 2 That's fine, but would be okay with this missing if need be. METROID (2;41) Super Metroid Metroid Prime Perfect, and IMO these are both must-haves. POKEMON (2;43) Pokemon Red/Blue Pokemon Gold/Silver Eh, disagree here. R/B/Y is a must have (remember it was the overall winner of the rally tournament), but G/S/C feels like an identical copy of R to me, except probably 20% weaker. I'd rather just have the originals represent the whole series, or if a second entry WAS needed, I'd rather see Diamond/Pearl just to contrast old school with new school. DIABLO (1;44) Diablo II Ohhhh yes. KIRBY (1;45) Kirby Super Star Good stuff. PAC-MAN (1;46) Pac-Man Not many 8-bitters need to return, but Pac's one of the few worth seeing. DONKEY KONG (1;47) Donkey Kong Country No no noooooo! While I agree that in general the first game in the series should be selected to best represent them all, DKC2 is the game that came second in the Nomination Rally and is going to be supported by this board, and shouldn't have trouble getting in over 1. TETRIS (1;48) Tetris After L-Block's heroics Tetris has become pretty much a must have IMO. CHRONO (1;49) Chrono Trigger No surprises. SUPER MARIO RPG (1;50) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Figures to do very well on the Virtual Console and is worth seeing once again. EARTHBOUND (1;51) Earthbound Ehhh, I'd be okay with dropping it, but would be nice to have it back, sure. BOND 007 (1;52) Goldeneye 007 Yes with the force of 1000 suns exploding at once! STARCRAFT (1;53) Starcraft A no brainer (even though, as I've stated, I don't see any way it performs close to '04 standards). |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 10/28/2008 6:10:23 PM | message detail |
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HALF-LIFE (2;55) Half-Life Half-Life 2 Good heavens yes. If one had to be cut though, I'd choose to knock out HL1. STAR WARS (1:56) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Would be good to have back, but won't make or break anything. TALES OF (1:57) Tales of Symphonia Bah. I... guess. Much as I hate this series cluttering up brackets, at least here it could only take up one position instead of 3. XENOGEARS (1;58) Xenogears Not sure that beating Pokemon back when anti-votes were at their peak is worth a free return ticket. Not a bad choice, but I could do without it. FIRE EMBLEM (1;59) Fire Emblem It did decently enough in the BSE to be worth being represented by something. GOD OF WAR (1;60) God of War I think GoW2 ended up outselling it? But that's okay, just use the first and let it compete as a series, good idea. GUITAR HERO (1;61) Guitar Hero Again, there's going to be people who love GH2 and hate GH3, or dislike all of them and like Rock Band... even though the original was the worst of the series, there are enough negatives for the other options where I'd rather just see it compete as a series entry. CALL OF DUTY (1;62) Call of Duty 4 A must have after its very impressive run through the last GotY. BIOSHOCK (1;63) Bioshock I'd be fine with both this and Gears making it into the bracket. PORTAL (1;64) Portal Yeah, would be some of the better fodder we've ever seen. Needed additions: * Star Fox 64 (one of the three Rally Contest winners, a huge seller both originally and on the VC) * Gears of War (probably) * Okami Also perhaps Doom. All in all these are very good choices. --- Check out the '08 Guru Site! http://thengamer.com/guru/ Other Hot Content: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 10/28/2008 6:15:09 PM | message detail |
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Albion, people would be upset because CJay has already confirmed that
FF8 was snubbed for that same reason back in '04. It was the third most
nominated game from the 64/32 bit era, yet missed the Contest because
it was never going to outdo FF7. If you want to limit by series, fine, but then just take the top 4 from each (so that most likely it would be FFT getting knocked out by FF8). --- Check out the '08 Guru Site! http://thengamer.com/guru/ Other Hot Content: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/28/2008 6:17:42 PM | message detail |
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I can't see why the rules would allow more then one game per system
from a series.. without that rule, there would be overkill of certain
series. When it means one of your favorite games is guaranteed to get snubbed every time, I think you'd see differently. Nice pic for tomorrow for everyone except Vivi. Oh well. Snake's is a bit too dark, but still, I like the pic. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 2: Sora, Fox McCloud, Yoshi |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/28/2008 6:18:56 PM | message detail |
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Albion, people would be upset because CJay has already confirmed that FF8 was snubbed for that same reason back in '04. And Bacon cares.. why? --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 6:19:56 PM | message detail |
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By that argument, why would SB care enough to add limits/caps? --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/28/2008 6:21:18 PM | message detail |
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Though top 4 is prolly a better way to do it. But you have to have some
kind of guidelines so the entire bracket isn't overrun with like 3
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| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/28/2008 6:21:32 PM | message detail |
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See how Vivi does tomorrow. I think we'll be seeing a very sharp
dropoff from his round 1 performance, and he won't even be in
contention to advance. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/28/2008 6:21:51 PM | message detail |
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HaRRicH (#239) Because he'd likely just keep the same rules. He's too lazy to even make match pics, you think he's proactive enough to write up a whole new rulesheet? --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 6:24:47 PM | message detail |
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He was proactive enough to make an entirely new format for the contest. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/28/2008 6:25:31 PM | message detail |
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True, I guess. I just don't see him caring enough thats he might do something thats unpopular like limiting games per system. --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/28/2008 6:25:56 PM | message detail |
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But oh, about that format 4ways for game contest ftw! --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 6:28:03 PM | message detail |
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I'm okay if Vivi takes a sharp drop -- he's still stronger than Tidus
and Solid still beat him worse last round than Mega Man's beating Tidus
this round. He's bound to take a drop anyway since Wesker and Sackboy
are practically nothing here, though not as weak as Banjo and Olimar. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/28/2008 6:28:43 PM | message detail |
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I think we'll see in a couple hours that Vivi will be another Nero looked good against crap competition --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/28/2008 6:30:12 PM | message detail |
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I would love to see a four-way Game Contest...but not until we get at
least one more one-on-one bracket first. Otherwise, it feels too random
too quickly. Then again, I'm a contest guy. Most people aren't, I imagine. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/28/2008 6:31:11 PM | message detail |
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MARIO KART (1;29) Super Mario Kart No, no, one thousand times no! For the 100th time, MK64 is going to be the best of the series- it had huge sales and will pull a very strong nostalgia factor for being THE multiplayer game of the N64 era for many gamers. Just with that the Kart series should be pretty well represented- don't see much of a need for DS or Wii or SMK. This was one of my tougher decisions. I knew we'd only need one MK game in the bracket, and I figured it would come down to Super or 64. I went with the original for the "series-spanning" argument that you mentioned a few times, but yeah, I can see 64 taking its place. I think it has the edge in sales and was the #1 N64 game for a good six months until Goldeneye came along. GRAND THEFT AUTO (2:36) Grand Theft Auto III Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Got to disagree here. I think the more interesting question regarding this series is, what the heck happened to GTA4? All those glowing 10/10 reviews, and yet 6 weeks later no one was playing it. I'd rather see 4 in the Contest to try to get some answers there, and then one of the PS2 games to counter... 3 or VC or SA, you could make good cases for any of them. Good point. Seeing IV in there would answer some questions, although then we've gotta ask whether a letdown like that deserves to get in at all. If we had to go with one PS2 title, I say it's gotta be III. It put the series (and the PS2) on the map and practically ushered in a new era of gaming. Sure, it didn't sell as much, but that's hardly a big deal when it still sold a boatload. POKEMON (2;43) Pokemon Red/Blue Pokemon Gold/Silver Eh, disagree here. R/B/Y is a must have (remember it was the overall winner of the rally tournament), but G/S/C feels like an identical copy of R to me, except probably 20% weaker. I'd rather just have the originals represent the whole series, or if a second entry WAS needed, I'd rather see Diamond/Pearl just to contrast old school with new school. Makes sense. Keep the original and bring in the new incarnation. DONKEY KONG (1;47) Donkey Kong Country No no noooooo! While I agree that in general the first game in the series should be selected to best represent them all, DKC2 is the game that came second in the Nomination Rally and is going to be supported by this board, and shouldn't have trouble getting in over 1. Eh, I dunno. I realize that 2 is favored on here, but 1 has the clear edge in sales and hype. That thing was HUGE when it came out. Needed additions: * Star Fox 64 (one of the three Rally Contest winners, a huge seller both originally and on the VC) Wow, this is easily my biggest mistake. Can't believe I forgot this, and the fact that it's among my top 20-30 games makes it look even more pathetic. Yeah, SF64 definitely goes in. Along with Mario Kart and Goldeneye, it was one of three big N64 games to bridge the gap between Mario 64 and OoT. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/28/2008 6:31:23 PM | message detail |
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HaRRicH (#248) 4ways after 5 years of no game contests would be the most unpredictable thing ever c'mon bacon do it --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
