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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/26/2008 3:07:32 PM | message detail
Regardless, Knuckles would beat Pikachu easily. Their strengths are pretty similiar in 4way:

Knuckles (2007c) VS Pikachu (2007c)

Knuckles has a strength of 27.41.
Pikachu has a strength of 24.59.

Knuckles wins with 55.14% of the vote!
A win of 13,557 with 131,769 total votes cast.


Then throw in anti votes in 1v1, and it should be an easy 60-40 win for knux
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/26/2008 3:10:52 PM | message detail
Just as 5 year old matches don't help your argument, neither do 2007 stats.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/26/2008 3:11:39 PM | message detail
For what it's worth, Pikachu was against Luigi the round he was eliminated last year. Also, Knuckles was against Yoshi in both of his rounds...assuming you're into that mattering or not.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/26/2008 3:12:40 PM | message detail

HaRRicH (#353)
For what it's worth, Pikachu was against Luigi the round he was eliminated last year. Also, Knuckles was against Yoshi in both of his rounds...assuming you're into that mattering or not.



And pikachu made round 4, yet has a low xstat value, showing that it wasnt really that impressive given his competition
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/26/2008 3:13:24 PM | message detail
How strong do you think Pikachu is there Bio?

Fox already crushed him 1-on-1, and I don't think anyone would think about taking Fox over Knuckles. So really, why overrate the rat?

Is it because it will make Ike look stronger?
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linkhatesganon | Posted 10/26/2008 3:14:01 PM | message detail
Pffff Albion is the only one that believes that using 2007 stats gives him any credit about his argument
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/26/2008 3:14:19 PM | message detail
And iirc, biolizard is one of the same people who say Chief would be weak in 1v1, yet argue for a character he likes saying he won't be weak in 1v1. Some bias there.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2008 3:14:31 PM | message detail
This isn't about 2k7 stats. It's about common sense. Pikachu barely edged out a Vivi being held back by Tidus, WITH the advantage of the format. Now throw in that Pikachu's main advantage is being a universally known Pokemon representative, and Knuckles is just as well known and far more liked...

If anything, Pika would get SFFed.
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hailEC | Posted 10/26/2008 3:15:00 PM | message detail
I think I might take Pikachu > Fox 1v1. It'd be a hard decision either way. I'd also take DK > Fox, and I think that's a pretty unpopular decision here.

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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/26/2008 3:15:24 PM | message detail
Fox already crushed him 1-on-1, and I don't think anyone would think about taking Fox over Knuckles. So really, why overrate the rat?

Fox crushed him five years ago ;>_>

And I'd totally think about taking Fox over Knuckles at this point.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/26/2008 3:15:47 PM | message detail
Knuckles>Fox>Pikachu>Ike>DK

there people GAWD

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/26/2008 3:15:51 PM | message detail
Knux would beat Pikachu straight up 1v1 taking out all other factors like anti votes and sff. But adding those in, and its rip for the rat
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hailEC | Posted 10/26/2008 3:15:56 PM | message detail
Also Knuckles would beat every single one of the characters I mentioned.

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red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 3:16:46 PM | message detail
I would take Fox over Knuckles, and Knuckles over Pikachu in 1v1 matches. I don't think Knux/Pikachu would be close.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/26/2008 3:17:12 PM | message detail
I don't get why people are so down on Knuckles. He got double SFF'd by a NN and a high midcarder. What more do you want from him?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/26/2008 3:19:50 PM | message detail
Knux is like the anti-Kefka. People always underrate him, so he has to prove himself every year.

Actually, present-day Gordon Freeman and Duke Nukem are in the same boat.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/26/2008 3:21:01 PM | message detail
Just because he is no longer at his 2005 level doesn't mean he won't beat a 1v1 Pikachu.
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hailEC | Posted 10/26/2008 3:22:21 PM | message detail
For everyone who's so down on Knux, would you take Vincents, Squalls, and even Ganon's of the world over Sonic? Because he's been just as pathetic in this format... he just hasn't been ravaged by overlapping fanbases.

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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/26/2008 3:30:49 PM | message detail
I'd probably take Squall over Sonic.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/26/2008 3:45:16 PM | message detail
Squall or Vincent > Sonic I'd jump on that like a witty analogy.
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hailEC | Posted 10/26/2008 3:46:05 PM | message detail
Well I already jumped on it like your mother, so it's a good thing you didn't use that one.

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/26/2008 5:32:50 PM | message detail
Adding to the fodder line discussion, what about KOS-MOS? Everyone was saying she's fallen a bit, and she was a low midcard before.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 5:55:42 PM | message detail
Crono's making an effort to get his lead on L-Block back over L-Block's lead on Ryu here. He's currently 238 behind; he was 554 behind 3 hours ago.
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BDawg | Posted 10/26/2008 5:57:24 PM | message detail
Maybe I'm pessimistic but I still don't think Crono beating block means diddly in the greater scheme of things.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/26/2008 6:12:47 PM | message detail
As much as we want a one on one bracket a 64 character bracket is getting harder to make without there being some major snubs. I mean I just glanced through the character list and picking just 64 is already hard and I haven't even looked at new characters or fodder for the heavy weights.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/26/2008 6:17:02 PM | message detail
I think the best idea would be to remove...

Clinkeroth
Noble Nine
Vincent
L-Block
anyone else who beats a NNer this year

From the bracket. Have a 64-way bracket. Then stick the winner against a Gauntlet of these characters, where the winner of one match goes on to face the next character. Link or L-Block at the top, Crono, MM, or Sonic at the bottom.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/26/2008 6:18:58 PM | message detail
That's an awful lot of people we'd have to remove, though. Heck, it might mean we have to remove Zack!
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/26/2008 6:20:15 PM | message detail
Squall would win a contest like that!

Especially after Dissidia!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/26/2008 6:20:43 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#376)
I think the best idea would be to remove...

Clinkeroth
Noble Nine
Vincent
L-Block
anyone else who beats a NNer this year

From the bracket. Have a 64-way bracket. Then stick the winner against a Gauntlet of these characters, where the winner of one match goes on to face the next character. Link or L-Block at the top, Crono, MM, or Sonic at the bottom.



...This is actually a good idea, except I think it should be noble nine and L Block... don't exclude Vincent since even if he wins, we're not sure if he'd win in 1v1 or not.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/26/2008 6:20:54 PM | message detail
To make up for the past two years of non-1 on 1 and non-summerness, we should totally have a 1 on 1 tournament with 128 characters and two matches a day for the first round so it'll take like three months and it'll be awesome and everyone will laugh and sing.
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vcharon | Posted 10/26/2008 6:22:19 PM | message detail
WoW players will all be zombies tomorrow with the disease likely becoming incurable, so they may be around to carry Arthas on.

Then again, with all the anti-Blizzard sentiments on my server at least, that may actually hurt him.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 6:22:44 PM | message detail
Thats actually a great idea too Kupo Darling. Too bad Bacon is against good ideas.
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hailEC | Posted 10/26/2008 6:26:19 PM | message detail
If we're going to be removing people it should be Samus/Snake/Mario + Clinkeroth. Sure it'd only add three spots, but take out anybody else and you're ruining great match-ups. A ToC would work best over a battle royal as well, Link/Cloud auto advance, and Samus/Seph first round match-up, and Snake/Mario goes down.

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charmander6000 | Posted 10/26/2008 6:28:53 PM | message detail
I mean here's 64 characters that have already been to one contest.

1. Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII)
2. Altair (Assassin’s Creed)
3. Arthas Menethil (Warcraft)
4. Auron (Final Fantasy X)
5. Big Boss (Metal Gear)
6. Bowser (Mario)
7. Chris Redfield (Resident Evil)
8. Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy VII)
9. Crono (Chrono Trigger)
10. Dante (Devil May Cry)
11. Donkey Kong (Donkey Kong)
12. Duke Nukem (Duke Nukem)
13. Fox McCloud (Star Fox)
14. Frog (Chrono Trigger)
15. Ganondorf (The Legend of Zelda)
16. Gordon Freeman (Half-Life)
17. Ike (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance)
18. Janus “Magus” Zeal (Chrono Trigger)
19. Jill Valentine (Resident Evil)
20. Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV)
21. Kefka (Final Fantasy VI)
22. Ken Masters (Street Fighter)
23. Kirby (Kirby)
24. Knuckles the Echidna (Sonic)
25. KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)
26. Kratos (God of War)
27. L-Block (Tetris)
28. Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil)
29. Link (The Legend of Zelda)
30. Liquid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
31. Luigi (Mario)
32. Marcus Fenix (Gears of War)
33. Mario (Mario)
34. Marth (Fire Emblem)
35. Master Chief (Halo)
36. Mega Man (Mega Man)
37. Mega Man X (Mega Man X)
38. Meta Knight (Kirby)
39. Mewtwo (Pokemon)
40. Nero (Devil May Cry 4)
41. Pac-Man (Pac-Man)
42. Pikachu (Pokemon)
43. Protoman (Mega Man)
44. Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2)
45. Riku (Kingdom Hearts)
46. Ryu (Street Fighter)
47. Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
48. Samus Aran (Metroid)
49. Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
50. Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)
51. Solid Snake (Metal Gear)
52. Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic)
53. Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
54. Squall Leonhart (Final Fantasy VIII)
55. Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
56. Tidus (Final Fantasy X)
57. Tifa Lockhart (Final Fantasy VII)
58. Vincent Valentine (Final Fantasy VI)
59. Vivi (Final Fantasy IX)
60. Yoshi (Mario)
61. Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
62. Zack Fair (Final Fantasy VII)
63. Zelda (The Legend of Zelda)
64. Zero (Mega Man X)

There's a few characters that I forced to be there (Protoman, Ken, Marth). Some notable snubs are already Alucard, Diablo, Zidane, Amaterasu, Falcon, Chun-Li, Shadow, Rikku, CATS and Ocelot. I haven't even added any fresh meat to the contest.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 6:32:45 PM | message detail
Thats part of the reason I don't want 1v1 again... cuz 1v1 means most likely we'd get 64 characters, and now with 128 characters being the norm, we'd be missing too many important characters
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/26/2008 6:36:28 PM | message detail
Maybe Cecil and Rydia should be given another shot. Depends on how strong you think their fourpack is and if they were affected any by Zack / Auron.

A match between either of them and Kefka could be interesting. >_>
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 6:37:51 PM | message detail
Eh rydia only did well cuz of b00bz
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ZFS | Posted 10/26/2008 6:39:19 PM | message detail
Clinkeroth
Noble Nine
Vincent
L-Block
anyone else who beats a NNer this year


You know the character battle has run its course when we're doing this

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charmander6000 | Posted 10/26/2008 6:43:06 PM | message detail
I just think that doing a 64 character bracket now will be impossible without missing a bunch of good characters. A four month 128 character bracket will be too long though I like the idea of the first round having two polls, just make them switch places at each refresh.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/26/2008 6:45:59 PM | message detail
Looks like this match will fall just a few hundred votes short of beating Altair/Lucario/Issac/Guybrush in vote totals.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/26/2008 6:48:15 PM | message detail
You know the character battle has run its course when we're doing this

Oh yeah
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 6:49:48 PM | message detail
So L is a big vote draw as always
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Link The Hylian | Posted 10/26/2008 6:57:07 PM | message detail
I just think that doing a 64 character bracket now will be impossible without missing a bunch of useless fodder."

Fixed. And we could always do 1 vs 1 with more matches.

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/26/2008 6:57:14 PM | message detail
It's funny that Altair/Lucario/Issac/Guybrush has the highest votals in the first place. Who / what was the vote draw here?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 6:58:05 PM | message detail

Gaddswell (#394)
It's funny that Altair/Lucario/Issac/Guybrush has the highest votals in the first place. Who / what was the vote draw here?



Altair had a good turn out for round 2 as well
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 7:07:05 PM | message detail
Crono has now surpassed Solid Snake's final victory margin on L-Block in round 3 next year. The gap between him and L is only 71 less than the gap between L and Ryu now.
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thok | Posted 10/26/2008 7:25:43 PM | message detail
We could have a 96 character match, with 32 characters getting a free pass to the second round. That version would only add a month to the character battle and give the fodder a chance to actually win a match.
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/26/2008 7:27:05 PM | message detail
How about 96 characters, and the final 3 battle each other 1 on 1 in 3 separate matches? First to two wins, wins?

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red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 7:41:23 PM | message detail
We've talked about this before I think, but it's an interesting topic: suppose we had a poll with every VG character in existence. Could Clinkeroth break 50%? I think L-Block's run last year proved pretty conclusively that the answer there is no, although I'd probably say no even if joke characters were excluded from the poll. But could the Noble Nine break 50%? Between them they can SFF virtually anything, and as some of the most well known characters, they are sure to have lots of people who consider one of them their favorite character. I think Link might pull close to 20% by himself.....FFVII had 24% say it was their favorite game, after all.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/26/2008 7:42:31 PM | message detail
I think Aga had a poll with all 128 characters last year and L-Block swept it.

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