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Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/26/2008 12:08:32 PM | message detail
Cammy's calves look like tumors.
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_Harmonica_ | Posted 10/26/2008 12:08:47 PM | message detail
voltch (#237)
why is Amano art so ugly?
it's well drawn but it ain't exactly easy on the eye.


It's not ugly, I like it. It's just not contest pic material.
voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 12:12:26 PM | message detail
well it's ugly for match pics,I don't mind the larger pics which look like paintings,but individual character models can be an eyesore.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/26/2008 12:14:41 PM | message detail
Good to see some support for my fave FF6 characters. I saw Sabin's name pop up in a couple nom-rally discussion topics this year pre-contest, so that's why i had some hope B8 would get behind nom'ing him or Shadow (or better yet both!). Waiting for a FF6 remake probably would be best though. Man i wish Square had put Sabin in Dissidia instead of f'ing Terra, he's such a better fit for a fighting game.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/26/2008 12:18:31 PM | message detail
Well of course Mog would do well, he's a freaking moogle... and he has at least a cameo in many FF games. Which is why i wouldn't nom him to represent FFVI, he's more representative of the series as a whole. I will definitely nom him if there's a rally for him though.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 12:18:59 PM | message detail
We don't need more FFVI characters, at least until we've had a few more FFVII characters who would actually be fairly strong: Cid, Red XIII, and Yuffie at least. I think Rufus Shinra would be a decent midcarder too.
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Round 2: Crono > L-Block > Ryu > Amaterasu
voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 12:19:20 PM | message detail
Chocobo would probably do even better than mog imo.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 12:19:21 PM | message detail
Chocobo would be better rep for the series then Mog.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 12:19:59 PM | message detail
I think Rufus Shinra would be a decent midcarder too.

Reno would prolly be a midcarder too, especially after how he was such a big part of the comic relief of ADvent Children
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voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 12:20:09 PM | message detail
hmm near same time post?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/26/2008 12:22:09 PM | message detail
After what I've seen of Zack, I'm rock-solid positive that characters like Rufus and Reno would blow away half the field in any given contest.

darn you ff7
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 12:23:04 PM | message detail
I wonder if Don Corneo would be a midcarder
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voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 12:23:25 PM | message detail
Barret needs to represent the black community,well he doesn't but he'd be the strongest black character.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 12:23:53 PM | message detail
Well, he'd almost certainly beat Vyse, if we're still using him as the fodder line.
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Round 2: Crono > L-Block > Ryu > Amaterasu
red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 12:24:52 PM | message detail
That was referring to Don Corneo. Barret would get a blowout win against Vyse.
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voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 12:26:03 PM | message detail
we need a new fodder line,vyse is just fodder now.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 12:26:43 PM | message detail
Hmm I should nom Reno next year. He's awesome
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voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 12:28:04 PM | message detail
we need to nominate Heidegger,Martin Heidegger was a great philosopher so his namesake should represent the great thinkers.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/26/2008 12:29:21 PM | message detail
Just people FF7 characters are guaranteed to be strong doesn't mean we need to nominate them, people!

Oh who am I kidding, Choco Billy for SC2k9.
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voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 12:35:34 PM | message detail
round 1 Tifa Vs Scarlet!
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/26/2008 12:36:01 PM | message detail
I'm having a hard time deciding who I want to rally for next year...

...Splash Woman or Fake Man.


One of them HAS to make it!
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Tohoya | Posted 10/26/2008 12:36:21 PM | message detail
Hmmm.

Is the Ammy day vote failing us? She's been hovering around that 16.50% for the past 4 hours without any gains. She gained about 1.5% from the freeze till the night vote ended, though, for some reason
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 12:37:14 PM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 12:38:54 PM | message detail
Whoever wins the guru contest should nom this character: http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0000/50/50/5050AD0EF426DC504C969C.jpg
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/26/2008 12:38:59 PM | message detail
we need a new fodder line,vyse is just fodder now.

Vyse was about 19% BL so... Kefka? Or maybe we should make it 20% BL for example, you're fodder if you can't break 20% on Sephiroth?
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 12:39:47 PM | message detail
It's a weekend, so the day vote is weaker than usual, and Ammy isn't a day character anyway- she's rather balanced. Crono, however, is as bad or worse at the early morning as he is during the day.
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Tohoya | Posted 10/26/2008 12:42:22 PM | message detail
man, I just realized.

Ammy boost due to Wii cover replacements finally coming in confirmed
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voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 12:45:04 PM | message detail
I was thinking CATS for the fodder line since he's just about the strongest fodder character out there right?
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/26/2008 12:54:25 PM | message detail
I think whichever character "decides" the fodder-line should be somebody who doesn't really suffer SFF from people much/ever but still looks to be a regular based on trends. They should also have enough respect to be able to deem people as above or below fodder strictly off of how they compare to the character. So...Kefka would be a good choice if he hasn't been laughed at the past few years -- the fodder line should have some remaining respect so we don't just say "Oh, he only beat Kefka, nobody cares" or "He actually LOST to Kefka?! What a terrible character!" We've also seen him SFF'd by Crono and he could probably be SFF'd by other characters (Cloud didn't last year, but I suspect because he was already driven to his most hardcore fans).

I would like to make a motion for Duke Nukem to be the new fodder line, at least for this format. He barely beat Altair, fairly beat Niko, and more soundly beat Kefka yet is still in his realm. This would put Marth just a little bit above the fodder line. He also beat Gordon last year pre-OB, so -- while we know Gordon would win now (as R2 showed us last year) -- Duke's not going to be easily SFF'd (if you would say that match had SFF; I personally would). He's made several one-on-one brackets, and based on his returns in this format and surprise victories, he is probably here to stay awhile.


Any disagreements?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/26/2008 12:54:29 PM | message detail
Man, I'm glad the last couple of days had boring matches. Easy for me to catch up on the stats topic! Impressed by Crono's showing here and glad the Block isn't doing so well. It almost seems like a normal character now. I can only hope so anyway!

...This is just an excuse to give me false hope about Tidus beating the Cube later on anyway! Whoo, Tidus for round 3!
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 12:57:09 PM | message detail
I think Duke is a little too strong for the fodder line. Who would win: Duke or Frog?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 12:58:44 PM | message detail
Yeah, duke ain't fodder. he's a low midcarder

I think Guybrush may be a good fodder line
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/26/2008 1:00:39 PM | message detail
Guybrush might be a good line to separate regular fodder from bantha fodder why are we talking about this?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/26/2008 1:00:43 PM | message detail
Chart from two days ago:

Time | Samus | Nightmare | Ganondorf | Frog
EBV | 37.71% | 12.79% | 26.26% | 23.23% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 39.93% | 12.46% | 25.10% | 22.51% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 39.81% | 15.07% | 23.24% | 21.88% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 41.09% | 15.61% | 24.71% | 18.59% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 39.97% | 14.90% | 24.78% | 20.35% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 40.35% | 16.02% | 25.20% | 18.43% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 40.39% | 16.51% | 24.08% | 19.02% | (22:00-24:00)

Man, Nightmare's first hour was so bad that it neutralized Frog's powerful night vote. And for some reason, Samus didn't really drop with the night vote at all either. Ganondorf took a bit of a dip there though. Frog dropped a good bit with the day vote. Nightmare's actually got a pretty good day vote, seems like. Man, that early vote was horrible though.

The stats:

Samus Aran – 50.00%
Ganondorf – 37.98%
Frog – 33.14%
Nightmare – 27.49%

Division 3, Top Half

Samus Aran – 50.00%
Ganondorf – 37.98%
Frog – 33.14%
KOS-MOS – 28.66%
Nightmare – 27.49%
Crash Bandicoot – 24.45%
Neku Sakuraba – 16.75%
Raz – 13.63%

Didn't both to adjust for Samus/Ganondorf/Frog messiness here. For one, it's hard to say exactly how much LFF was involved. If I left Ganon alone and made Frog proportional to him, he dips slightly below Nightmare, so that didn't work either. I didn't want to make an arbitrary adjustment, so I just left it as is. I adjusted Crash and Raz based on Nightmare's new value though.
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voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 1:00:57 PM | message detail
guybrush is full fodder,what of Phoenix Wright?
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/26/2008 1:01:37 PM | message detail
...you realize Duke demolished Lucario who -- while LFF'd by Isaac -- still beat down Guybrush, right? If Guybrush is the fodder line, about 90% of the contest is above the fodder line.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 1:02:44 PM | message detail
Ok Guybrush might not be good example. Um, what about Laharl?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/26/2008 1:03:48 PM | message detail
How about Cloud
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/26/2008 1:05:03 PM | message detail
Yeah, Guybrush is too weak to be the fodder line. That said, our midcard range is pretty large, so it makes sense that there should be more midcarders than fodder characters. I actually like Kefka as fodder line- yes, he was SFF'd by Crono, but seeing as he didn't appear to be harmed by Cloud, Crono is possibly the only character who can SFF him- maybe Magus and Frog too. Either way, that's not too bad.
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voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 1:05:21 PM | message detail
laharl is fodder that got hammered by the fodder line.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/26/2008 1:07:05 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Vincent | Falco | Scorpion | Freeman
EBV | 36.09% | 18.96% | 20.50% | 24.45% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 37.55% | 17.17% | 19.98% | 25.30% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 40.60% | 14.01% | 19.13% | 26.27% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 41.84% | 15.86% | 17.57% | 24.73% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 39.37% | 18.09% | 18.70% | 23.83% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 40.17% | 16.77% | 19.11% | 23.95% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 42.03% | 15.79% | 19.29% | 22.89% | (22:00-24:00)

Falco with the good board vote and Vincent with the bad one, and they just decide to trade percentages at the end of the hour. Seriously, Falco's night vote there was just pathetic. Managed to recover a good bit during the day though. Gordon went down progressively through each demographic for the most part, and Scorpion went back and forth. Had a bad early morning vote, for some reason. Scorpion's usually fairly consistent.

By the way, I'm almost starting to think Gordon loses in round 1 on purpose. He's done it twice to Duke and now to Scorpion: Lose by a small margin in round 1 and win by a large margin in round two, all the while still failing to get first place. If it hadn't been for Phoenix Wright!

And what pic is he going to get anyway? Is someone going to submit a pic of Gordon holding an awesome weapon from first person view?

Stats for yesterday's match:

Vincent Valentine – 50.00%
Gordon Freeman – 37.94%
Scorpion – 32.11%
Falco Lombardi – 29.21%

Division 3, Bottom Half

Vincent Valentine – 50.00%
Gordon Freeman – 37.94%
Scorpion – 32.11%
Falco Lombardi – 29.21%
Balthier Bunansa – 27.43%
Big Daddy – 24.82%
GlaDOS – 24.05%
Wander – 11.15%

I adjusted Scorpion/Gordon's fourpack off of Scorpion because adjusting it off of Gordon puts Balthier over Scorpion, so that doesn't work. Adjusted the rest of Vinny's fourpack off of this round's Falco, which makes a lot more sense, obviously. Big Daddy and GlaDOS for a barnburner, eh?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/26/2008 1:08:07 PM | message detail
Phoenix Wright would be a good fodder line if we could figure out where he stands. Probably no one worth their salt would lose to him though.
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voltch | Posted 10/26/2008 1:09:27 PM | message detail
after seeing gordon impress Phoenix Wright's result wasn't so bad and he did well vs an LFF'd Bowser.
I'm championing him for the new fodder line.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/26/2008 1:11:00 PM | message detail
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woo Gordon to R4

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 1:11:43 PM | message detail
Phoenix is a low midcarder. A fodder character wouldnt be a consistant round 2 character
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/26/2008 1:13:39 PM | message detail
In a one-on-one format, I'd say Phoenix isn't quite a low midcarder.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 1:14:34 PM | message detail
Phoenix put up 45% on Gordon who was on the heels of Half Life 2, and we're now seeing that Gordon is at least above a low midcarder.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 1:15:05 PM | message detail
or 42%, but still >_>
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/26/2008 1:18:27 PM | message detail
Phoenix Wright (2006c) VS Tidus (2006c)

Phoenix Wright has a strength of 21.19.
Tidus has a strength of 20.41.

Phoenix Wright wins with 51.84% of the vote!
A win of 4,130 with 112,192 total votes cast.


Also, unless you think that Tidus is fodder line in 1v1, I would say Phoenix isn't fodder in 1v1 using his 2006 Xstat value
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/26/2008 1:20:31 PM | message detail
Tidus faced Squall in 2k6, not to mention any potential fishiness in Samus/Solid.
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