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Majin Lou | Posted 10/22/2008 9:25:32 PM | message detail
There we go, X.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/22/2008 9:25:33 PM | message detail
come on Mudkip let's cut Mario
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 9:25:40 PM | message detail
aww yea there we go X
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 9:25:41 PM | message detail
*FIRE*


Which Power Hour is better, Nintendo or MM?

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/22/2008 9:25:46 PM | message detail
yeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2008 9:25:51 PM | message detail
but mario galaxy

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Lopen | Posted 10/22/2008 9:25:57 PM | message detail
MARIO is not NINTENDO. Mario is a series, Nintendo is a company. Luigi/Bowser is way more direct than three totally independent nintendo series.
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creativename | Posted 10/22/2008 9:26:06 PM | message detail
Man, looks like Mario and Zelda are LFFing each other pretty badly here. And Zelda once again holding up better than expected.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 9:26:09 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#204)
*FIRE*


Which Power Hour is better, Nintendo or MM?



Nintendo
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/22/2008 9:26:15 PM | message detail
Which Power Hour is better, Nintendo or MM?

Mudkip, apparently!
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/22/2008 9:27:31 PM | message detail
Finally got the updater up.

Mario sure is lucky only Luigi made it through now!

Then again, X probably does slow down in a few hours.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/22/2008 9:27:49 PM | message detail
but mario galaxy

the de-boost claims all
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 9:28:03 PM | message detail
Seems 4chan has come alive. So Mario and X stuffers + 4chan... we may get a 150k vote match
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Xcarvenger | Posted 10/22/2008 9:28:03 PM | message detail
no Zelda fans could resist not voting for that beautiful Zelda logo tbqh
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/22/2008 9:28:06 PM | message detail
Awww yeah so glad I took X > Mario next round.

That match is going to SLAUGHTER the casuals
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 9:28:17 PM | message detail
Mario and Zelda are not LFFing each other 'badly' here. Zelda and Mario have overlap, but it is not that significant.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/22/2008 9:28:23 PM | message detail
saying there's little overlap between Mario and Zelda is so, so wrong. we've seen it time and time again. Mega Man is pseudo-Nintendo, sure, but compared to Mario and Zelda it's not even questionable where the heavier overlap lies.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 10/22/2008 9:28:24 PM | message detail
This is truly a nice surprise. Even though this is an all Nintendo character round i didnt think X would actually get a lead over Mario even if it is a slim one.

As for Mudkip do you think the 4channers have gone to bed early, or have they given up on him?

Also while a tad off topic, if youre listening to mega man x music during this contest which game and which track?

For me its "Fight X!" from Megaman X Command Mission.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 9:30:22 PM | message detail
No one's doubting that Mario is getting the short end of the LFF stick, and would be beating X without Zelda and Mudkip here. But it would still be reasonably close.

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Yesmar | Posted 10/22/2008 9:30:33 PM | message detail
Mario/Zelda/Mudkip have to be leeching each other *severely*. X only matched Zero's performance on Lloyd, and 2005 Zero is a far far way from Mega Man. However, if that's the case Knuckles must have been leeched fairly badly as well if he didn't advance.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/22/2008 9:30:43 PM | message detail
holy damn Brawl pissed off many a Nintendo loyal
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Lopen | Posted 10/22/2008 9:30:59 PM | message detail
saying there's little overlap between Mario and Zelda is so, so wrong. we've seen it time and time again. Mega Man is pseudo-Nintendo, sure, but compared to Mario and Zelda it's not even questionable where the heavier overlap lies.

Where? When have we seen lopsided overlap with Mario vs Zelda?

Last round they didn't seem to hurt each other.
Mega Man got owned harder than Mario ever did 1v1 against Link.

They're two massive Nintendo series... I'm sure over 90% of the site is a fan of one or the other in some context. Massive LFF between the two is a kinda silly idea.
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/22/2008 9:31:17 PM | message detail
ZELDA CUT

Come on Mudkip in last place...!
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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2008 9:31:18 PM | message detail
MARIO is not NINTENDO. Mario is a series, Nintendo is a company. Luigi/Bowser is way more direct than three totally independent nintendo series.

Luigi/Bowser is definitely more direct SFF, but denying that Nintendo SFF exists, especially when we've seen it happen within these "independent Nintendo series" before. X is connected to Nintendo, but he isn't as connected to them as Mario/Zelda, though I'm hesitant to throw Mudkip in there for how wacky it is. There's not much doubt SFF (or LFF, whatever) is holding Mario back here, and letting X steal first.

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ShinyWalrein | Posted 10/22/2008 9:31:37 PM | message detail
uh oh 4chan

Mudkip > X confirmed?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/22/2008 9:31:37 PM | message detail
X you are not allowed to get 32% updates

So am I to assume X makes the finals if put in Mario's side of the bracket in 2k2 augh
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 9:31:50 PM | message detail

Yesmar (#220)
Mario/Zelda/Mudkip have to be leeching each other *severely*. X only matched Zero's performance on Lloyd, and 2005 Zero is a far far way from Mega Man. However, if that's the case Knuckles must have been leeched fairly badly as well if he didn't advance.



First round performances for obvious favorites have shown to be diminished. Can't really bank on that, since everyone knew Mega Man X would win due to name recognition, so why not vote for others?
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Lopen | Posted 10/22/2008 9:33:54 PM | message detail
Luigi/Bowser is definitely more direct SFF, but denying that Nintendo SFF exists, especially when we've seen it happen within these "independent Nintendo series" before

I'm not saying Nintendo doesn't SFF itself.

What I am saying is that Nintendo doesn't LFF itself. LFF happens because there isn't enough of a fanpool to draw from. Two popular Nintendo series duking it out should have no problems with a sufficient fanpool.
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creativename | Posted 10/22/2008 9:34:56 PM | message detail
This has probably already been mentioned, but I think it's quite possible Zelda hurts Mario against X more than Luigi does.

Zelda holds up well against Mario, whereas Luigi...well, he'll likely be humiliated, and thus more SFFed than LFFing Mario.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/22/2008 9:35:22 PM | message detail
Mario/Zelda overlap? how about Link/Yoshi?

if you're talking strictly in this format, how about Luigi/Ganon last year? I guess you'll argue that Chief was a god-killer last year, so I shouldn't bring this up, but most others would agree.

still not sure why people were thinking Zelda's picture kills her, by the way. Zelda always gets doubted by people and she always holds up. the only thing that'll kill Zelda is something else from Zelda.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/22/2008 9:35:30 PM | message detail
So am I to assume X makes the finals if put in Mario's side of the bracket in 2k2 augh

Nope, Super Mega Man X Sunshine is still in production.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 9:35:55 PM | message detail
This has probably already been mentioned, but I think it's quite possible Zelda hurts Mario against X more than Luigi does.

Zelda holds up well against Mario, whereas Luigi...well, he'll likely be humiliated, and thus more SFFed than LFFing Mario.


No. That is a very stupid statement.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/22/2008 9:35:56 PM | message detail
Luigi...well, he'll likely be humiliated

Doubt it. I actually think he'll hold up well.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/22/2008 9:36:04 PM | message detail
Post Chrono Trigger DS and in a 1v1? Eh, I'd still go with Mario.

No, I meant right now, 1v1! After CTDS gives Crono a HUGE boost (think Kingdom Hearts, FFIV DS) Mario won't be in his league anymore! (Actually, I think Mario would probably win now....but Crono would at least make it closer than last time, and CTDS has potential to be enormous for him, because he has by far the last exposure of any of the NN characters, and any of the near-elites for that matter.
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Yesmar | Posted 10/22/2008 9:36:07 PM | message detail

First round performances for obvious favorites have shown to be diminished. Can't really bank on that, since everyone knew Mega Man X would win due to name recognition, so why not vote for others?


Is there any evidence that anybody has underperformed to THAT drastic of an extent?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 9:36:32 PM | message detail
Mega Man is a night character moreso, right?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/22/2008 9:36:57 PM | message detail
Doubt it. I actually think he'll hold up well.

I remember hearing this prior to Sonic/Luigi (even I bought into it to a degree). Luigi's going to get smoked.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/22/2008 9:36:58 PM | message detail
I really wouldn't speak so bluntly and condescendingly to the guy who invented X-Stats and currently sits atop the Oracle standings just sayin
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/22/2008 9:37:01 PM | message detail
the only thing that'll kill Zelda is something else from Zelda.

or vincent
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/22/2008 9:37:17 PM | message detail
X making the finals in 2k2 would've been amazing
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/22/2008 9:37:28 PM | message detail
I'm voting for McCain.
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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2008 9:37:49 PM | message detail
I'm more inclined to agree with creative as far as Zelda and Luigi go. Can't see Luigi holding up against Mario, not that things are looking all that well for him next hey Mario cut

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 9:37:53 PM | message detail
Wouldn't have said it if it wasn't true. >_>

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Lopen | Posted 10/22/2008 9:37:58 PM | message detail
if you're talking strictly in this format, how about Luigi/Ganon last year? I guess you'll argue that Chief was a god-killer last year, so I shouldn't bring this up, but most others would agree.

Because he was a god-killer last year. If Luigi and Ganon were hurting each other a lot, Yuna would've looked better. Guess what, she wasn't even close.

As I said, no doubt Nintendo SFF exists, Yoshi got owned harder than he should've. But if you put Link and Yoshi in the same match in a four way, I don't think Link gets significantly LFFed, despite Yoshi being mulched.
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/22/2008 9:38:17 PM | message detail
It's pretty amazing, how Zelda and Ganon hold up against other Nintendo, and how badly they fold against Link compared to other Nintendo.
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Tohoya | Posted 10/22/2008 9:38:27 PM | message detail
MARIO is not NINTENDO. Mario is a series, Nintendo is a company. Luigi/Bowser is way more direct than three totally independent nintendo series.

And people thought I was crazy for denying pokemon/nintendo SFF.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but Nintendo characters at the very least have very heavy system SFF- the same reason why MGS/FF SFF exists: most people who owned that particular console have played both. Vastly magnified, of course, owing to at least somewhat similar appeal and the simple fact that almost everyone who grew up with an NES and SNES all grew up with Link and Mario (and Mega Man, which I think explains his pseudo nintendo status)
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trannyscience | Posted 10/22/2008 9:38:39 PM | message detail
Luigi.. probably won't do as well as Zelda. but the overlap is less, too.

overall I think you'd have to call MMX the favourite to beat Mario, with Liquid Snake being a complete oddball that's difficult to predict.

Mario still probably wins this match, by the way.
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paraboxx | Posted 10/22/2008 9:38:55 PM | message detail
I really wouldn't speak so bluntly and condescendingly to the guy who invented X-Stats and currently sits atop the Oracle standings just sayin

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/22/2008 9:39:52 PM | message detail
Who thought seeing a majority of matches being SFF matches would make for a better contest overall? It's 2004 all over again. I want to return to 1-on-1s.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/22/2008 9:39:53 PM | message detail
Zelda did better against Link than Ganondorf.

Then again, Ganondorf did worse than CATS, so that doesn't really say much.
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