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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 606

hailEC | Posted 10/22/2008 5:50:01 PM | message detail
Ganon > Luigi
Liquid > Frog
Luigi/Bowser split >> Samus/Ganon split

stop looking for upsets where there aren't any

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/22/2008 5:53:58 PM | message detail
Ganon > Luigi
Liquid > Frog
Luigi/Bowser split >> Samus/Ganon split

stop looking for upsets where there aren't any


Agree, agree, and agree. G-dorf lost to Luigi because of the PIG GANON sprite. And red sox 777, once again, name at least three instances where Samus was able to NOT get the ass end of SFF.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 6:06:12 PM | message detail
So is this one of the biggest unexpected boosts in contest history? Cause the 2k7 stats, unreliable as they may be, have Liquid getting doubled. Taking Liquid's R1 performance and considering that Luigi seems to be one of the few Nintendo characters who hasn't slipped...

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 6:06:31 PM | message detail
*doubled by Luigi.

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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2008 6:09:25 PM | message detail
After Liquid held up well against Luigi and Roxas last round (dropped 1% from an hour in, about 2% from his peak percentage), I figured he'd do well today...but not as well as he did. Doesn't seem like he budged from last night.

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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2008 6:12:09 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/cb7/cb7-36.jpg

Hey awesome pic for Mario

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six bullets. more than enough to kill anything that moves.
trannyscience | Posted 10/22/2008 6:19:22 PM | message detail
Zelda looks like Toon Link, get ready for an overperformance
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/22/2008 6:21:10 PM | message detail
Zelda looks like Toon Link, get ready for an overperformance

If anything, Zelda will get killed with that pic.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 6:22:01 PM | message detail
-_-

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/22/2008 6:28:19 PM | message detail
...What? It's true! Link lost to Cloud because he had a Wind Waker pic. Granted, Kingdom Hearts Factor was also a cause, but still...
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 6:30:21 PM | message detail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

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CP724 | Posted 10/22/2008 7:23:41 PM | message detail
Tommorows match is gonna be crazy, wouldn't be surprised if it's a three way race for first.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/22/2008 7:27:17 PM | message detail
Mudkip is going to get killed. Phoenix manages to almost beat Bowser with Luigi SFFing the Koopa there, that really makes Mudkip look like crap in his match last year.

As for talk of Frog upsetting Ganondorf, not gonna happen. Will you people stop expecting every Frog match to be a barnburner? Remember last time Ganondorf and Samus saw eachother? He did pretty good for himself, so why would this be any different?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 7:45:35 PM | message detail
So...Mudkips chances at advancing. What do you think?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 7:47:04 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#464)
So...Mudkips chances at advancing. What do you think?



TBH I think if Mudkip advances, it'll be at the expense of mario, not mega man x
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trannyscience | Posted 10/22/2008 7:47:10 PM | message detail
I'm looking forward to watching people rage at Mudkip being in first in an hour and some
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 7:47:53 PM | message detail
Well, yeah, Mudkip will probably be scaring the crap out of everyone initially. But what about actually advancing?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/22/2008 7:48:35 PM | message detail
Does anyone here check 4chan? How hyped are they?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/22/2008 7:48:52 PM | message detail
30%. All it takes is Mario overperforming over Zelda being decent to allow Kipz to advance.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/22/2008 7:49:13 PM | message detail
*Or Zelda, not over
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/22/2008 7:49:58 PM | message detail
4chan doesn't need hype. They'll show up within the first 30 minutes. Remember, it only takes one thread to rally /b/.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/22/2008 7:50:28 PM | message detail
nah, it depends on how MMX does. Mario and Zelda aren't really mattering too much.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 7:50:37 PM | message detail

PartOfYourWorld (#468)
Does anyone here check 4chan? How hyped are they?



This could be another Bidoof situation for the first 2 hours
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/22/2008 7:50:59 PM | message detail
tran, I'm saying that if Mario or Zelda are taking % from anyone, it'll be X.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 7:51:28 PM | message detail
Mudkip isn't getting 30%. 25% at the most.

Which may very well be enough.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/22/2008 7:51:38 PM | message detail
Or Mudkip's Pokemon support. He is a Pokemon.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/22/2008 7:52:13 PM | message detail
What's with all the confidence in MMX getting close to Mario? He's not independent of the Nintendo fanbase.
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Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 108/148 --- T-297 (81 way)
Bracket: Luigi > Bowser --- Vote: Bowser
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/22/2008 7:52:53 PM | message detail
Because Mega Man X is a badass. Therefore, he gets the Solid Snake vote.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 7:53:27 PM | message detail

red sox 777 (#477)
What's with all the confidence in MMX getting close to Mario? He's not independent of the Nintendo fanbase.



Megaman could easily capitalize on this, and I don't see Mega Man X any weaker.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/22/2008 7:55:08 PM | message detail
Mario will be at least 5-7% higher than X. Maybe next round with Luigi there, but I doubt it.
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creativename | Posted 10/22/2008 7:56:49 PM | message detail
Man, I'm so disappointed in Bowser's performance today.

I love Luigi, and love Bowser even more, and was rooting for him today. Thought it would at least be close between them. For him to be closer to Phoenix is just not right.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/22/2008 7:57:58 PM | message detail
No, Megaman wouldn't capitalize on this: he still lost to Samus last year despite it being the sprite round and Yoshi being in the poll. Sure, he got fairly close, but Mario is way better than Samus at Nintendo SFF. X's performance in round 1 was hardly impressive, also: he didn't beat Mudkip by nearly as much as Luigi did last year despite Luigi having Pit and Tingle weighing him down.
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Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 108/148 --- T-297 (81 way)
Bracket: Luigi > Bowser --- Vote: Bowser
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 7:58:35 PM | message detail
Gurus with Mario in second:
Mega Mana
HaRRicH
Albion
swirIdude


aww yea
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/22/2008 7:58:52 PM | message detail
TBH, I'm not surprised by Bowser's showing. After all, he disappointed last year (and a majority of brackets had him going along to round 4 with ease. What was that all about?).
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/22/2008 8:08:25 PM | message detail
Division 2: Round 2 - Match 36 – Mario vs. Zelda vs. Mega Man X vs. Mudkip

Moltar’s Analysis

Mario
Round 1 - 40.47% vs. Zelda, Knuckles and Fei

Mario struggles a bit with Zelda and Knux

Zelda
Round 1 - 24.58% vs. Mario, Knuckles and Fei

Zelda avoids major SFF to take second

MMX
Round 1 - 44.50% vs. Mudkip, Lloyd and Tom

MMX looks to be strong, but not quite Mega Man strong

Mudkip
Round 1 - 30.26% vs. MMX, Lloyd and Tom

well then

With JokeFAQs in full force, I’m almost tempted to just go “kip wins gg everyone else”. Still, this is the first time a “joke” character has to take on two very strong opponents in Mario and MMX. And yes, I realize Mudkip is actually semi-legit since it’s a Pokemon but dammit it’s some random starter pokemon that’s only popular because of a fad so it’s a joke in my eyes.

By the way, the only thing certain here is that Zelda takes last. Shame she ends up losing to a joke fad Pokemon yet again.

Anyway, Mario looked pretty darn bad in his match. He failed to get any big SFF against Zelda (may just be that Mario series can’t SFF Zelda series well), and now he’s got the very strong MMX and the strongly-backed Mudkip.

Mudkip is going to hold up very well, as much as I hate to admit it. Still, Mudkip failed to beat Ganondorf and Luigi last year, so Mario and MMX should be a hurdle too big for it to jump. mudkip down now the rest shall fall soon.

So it’s going to be Mario or MMX in a game of “Who collapses due to SFF”. We’ve seen SFF between Mario characters and MM characters before (though Yoshi held up well last year, but I think that was more because of his fan-favorite status). Since Mario > MM, and it’s likely that MM > MMX, I’m going to guess X falls here.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Mario > MMX

Moltar’s Prediction is: Mario: 35% - MMX: 27% - Mudkip: 25% - Zelda: 13%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

Interesting match today. I've seen some people down on the Mario crew after Luigi and Bowser's loss to Liquid, and Mario's less than stellar showing last round -- to be fair, none of the Noble Nine impressed in round 1. Today should be a good opportunity for Mario to make up for his 'mere' 40% against Zelda and Knuckles.

This match is pretty much nothing but SFF -- it's essentially four Nintendo characters. X is the most independent (though maybe Mudkip has some claim to that...), but he's still firmly rooted within the Nintendo base. He'll be just as susceptible to SFF as you would expect Mega Man to be against Mario (hint: it wouldn't end well for the Blue Bomber). I've seen all sorts of combinations for this match ranging from X over Mario to Mudkip in first -- both that have about a zero chance of happening, by my count. Mario's gonna do better than people expect, I think, and Mudkip's not going to do as well as some are anticipating.

If there's anyone who needs to worry about advancing today, though, it'd be X. With Mario around, he's not going to fare too well. And when your percentage falls around the mid-20s, you're in dangerous territory against someone like 'kip. Still, it's hard for me to see X, who might as well be Mega Man, losing to a Mudkip kinda character. Yeah, Mudkip's legit, and had a rather impressive showing last round, but I can't see it advancing in this group. It's so Nintendo-centric that it's bound to be affected in some capacity. Even if Pokemon fans and joke voters hold those characters in 'top tier' regard, it's dealing with stiff competition.
Master Moltar | Posted 10/22/2008 8:08:42 PM | message detail
As far as Zelda's concerned, I don't expect much from her, but she continues to surprise me with how well she holds up. I expected Mario to brutalize her last round -- who votes for Zelda with Mario in the poll (damn you gamefaqs)? -- but it didn't happen. I'm aiming low for her again in an all-Nintendo set, but if she holds up well again it wouldn't shock me. If she can get high-teens to low-twenties, I'll have some new respect for her.

Should be a relatively normal match -- Mario takes an easy first, X in second. After seeing the pic I'm more confident in that than before, too, because damn Mario looks awesome and hey he's awesome in Brawl

suck it de-boost and tierz

Prediction: Mario - 38% ; X - 27% ; Mudkip - 23% ; Zelda - 12%
Vote: Mario



Yoblazer’s Analysis

Hoooooooo boy, don't even get me started on this one. There's enough information, speculation, and SFF between these four for a wordy hack like me to fill up two posts. Well, I've got some Fable II to get to, so let's make it two paragraphs instead!! *resounding cheers from the crowd*

Mario, Zelda, Mega Man X, and Mudkip. This contest is now looking more unpredictable than ever, but Mario should still win this match easily. Even if Mudkip stays horrifyingly static, I don't think he'll approach the plumber. Mario is just too strong and had an alright showing in Round 1 (better than all the other Nintendo characters who bombed, but maybe that's cuz he was also up against Nintendo characters lolol that company is so dead). Zelda also did a good job last round, but she still let Mario hit 62% on her, so it's not as though she lit the world on fire. She's now up against significantly tougher competition and she'll be heading into battle with a junk picture, so I expect the regal Hylian princess to be today's big loser.

Oh great, I've started a third paragraph. Sigh... such a loser. Anyway, the big question mark is undoubtedly Mudkip, and the big question is whether he'll be strong/static enough to upend Mega Man X, who defeated him easily in the first round. I'm here to tell you NO. Yes, I understand that joke characters are looking even crazier this year and that Mudkip put up 30% a few weeks ago... but he still lost by a huge 15%. He's going to have to pull an L-Block (thereby making X his Kirby) if he wants to make some noise here, and he certainly didn't show L-Block magic last year. If Mudkip couldn't crack Ganondorf and Luigi, it'll take something big to land between a Noble 9 monster and a guy who might have Noble 9 potential. I just don't see it happening. As for X himself, I expect him to look pretty good in relation to Mario. Sure, the guy is probably also seen as a Nintendo entity, but I bet he'll have a smaller overlap with Zelda and the Pokemon than Mario will, and his picture looks really, really awesome. I still can't imagine him losing a direct match to OG Mega Man, not with a picture like that, but that's another story. Fable time!

Mario - 34%
Zelda - 16%
Mega Man X - 28%
Mudkip - 22%



Lopen’s Analysis

Hey, Mega Man and Mario face off at long last... sort of, anyway. But before I get that, I have some Mudkipz upsets to step on:

Now, I think that my R1 write-up for Mudkip should be basically a supplement to this. Basically what I said is I don't think Mudkip is primarily a joke entrant. To me, at least, he seems to have a lot of real fans... I've met many tykes that love the Mudkipz. To me, he seems the most popular post GSC Pokemon, by far. Now, I don't doubt that he's got a joke backing too, but to me the guy seems mostly legit. He's even got legit trends after the first hour or two when 4chan stops votestuffing him. Not a joke character.
Master Moltar | Posted 10/22/2008 8:09:33 PM | message detail
So when people have him being humored to place here, I can't help but disagree. He might get some "static backing," but it isn't nearly as strong as he needs to deal damage. I'd like to think he's probably about as strong as Bidoof from his joke votes, at best... because while the Bidoof joke is less widespread, Bidoof has some legit votes to make up for that, too. Basically what I'm saying is, though I think he's got a joke floor, it's going to be somewhere around 17-18% or so... much too low for his normal strength to make up.

Now back to Mario vs Mega Man X. This'll be something to watch. How well Mega Man X does here will play a big part in how next round's match is looking. Mega Man X needs to keep it close to have a chance to upset Mario next round... if he falls too far behind, Liquid might sneak in. And if Zelda/Mudkip get really close to Mario/MMX, you might want to call for something crazy like Liquid > MMX next round since that implies bad interactions between Mario and MMX (of course Mario will get the butt-end of Luigi regardless). Haha, that'd be wicked.

I'm thinking MMX keeps it at least kinda close, here. Within 6%, meaning MMX basically pulls a Liquid next round. Much more and Mario's probably out of his range. Don't be fooled though, MMX does not necessarily NEED Luigi and Bowser to be there to overcome Mario... and in fact if they were both there, I'd consider MMX > Luigi next round (hell I'm vaguely considering it right now.. if Luigi can swing the amount he did vs Bowser against Mario, it might get interesting) Anyway, he just has to not be buried this round.

Lopen's prediction:
Mario - 33.01%
Mega Man X - 27.70%
Mudkip - 21.23%
Zelda - 18.06%



Transience’s Analysis

the day the bracket was released, I was hyping Mudkip. "if Mario beats MMX down, Mudkip advances. no doubt about it. and after that, we've got Luigi/Bowser/Mario/Mudkip -- oh god."

Bowser didn't stand up to his side of the deal, but it showed me something else that scares me -- Mario characters sucking this year.

Mario barely managed 40% in a poll with a second-tier Nintendo character he should have been able to beat to oblivion. Luigi looked bad this year, and that's to say nothing of Bowser's final fall from grace today. (seriously, he lost the lead to Phoenix Wright.) Yoshi got hammered by Squall. Wario's tough to judge, but getting rocked like that by Zack can't be too encouraging.

is Mario in trouble? most likely not, but I'd expect Zelda to hurt him more than MMX will. Mudkip is also Nintendo to those weird Pokemon fans who genuinely prefer him/it. if that's the case, there's a chance MMX takes first -- he's Nintendo too, but not nearly as much as the others.

then there's Mudkip, who seems like a good 25-30%. if Zelda doesn't collapse here - and who knows with that picture, but I wouldn't count on it - Mudkip could even place first. pretty crazy talk, but possible. I feel like there's a very small chance that Mario doesn't even qualify. THAT would be something to see. I'd throw my Mario-in-the-finals bracket out to see that.

I guess the main question here is how does Mudkip hold up. last year, in a Nintendo-heavy pack, Mudkip got 28%, and in the Ganon/Luigi match he got 25%. this year, in a pack with MMX - arguably as strong as last year's pack - he moved up to 30%. this pack he's about to face is the strongest one yet, but that's also the scariest for the "real" characters because Mudkip's not gonna be affected by stronger characters in the poll too much. I think the 'kip's good for 26%. is that enough? it depends on how high Mario and MMX can go. this thing is a tossup and I won't claim to know what happens. if it's close, though? 4chan's got this one in the bag.

Mudkip, the worst joke
will still get one fourth the votes
sucks for MMX
Master Moltar | Posted 10/22/2008 8:09:53 PM | message detail
transience's prediction:

Mario with 32%
Mudkip with 27%
Mega Man X with 26%
Zelda with 15%



Ngamer’s Analysis

Ugh, dang it all Phoenix. You fold to 11% against Mario and Big Boss, yet pull down 19% against Liquid and Luigi/Bowser? Worse yet he ruins both my Oracle and my bracket; I really think Mr. L could have competed for the win here if this triple Nintendo LFF had only been a double. Oh well, at least we won't have to sit through another embarrassing performance from Nintendo tonight... though that's only the case because there are no non-Nintendo options in the bunch!

Originally I had this one chalked up as an easy advancement for Mario and MMX, but in the end I decided to move Zelda into this grouping instead of Knuckles, at which point I realized... uh oh, the Kipper just might joke himself into contention! Let's try to figure out how realistic that would be.

R1 Performance X-Stats
Mario - 40.25% (based on '07 Knuckles)
Zelda - 30.41% (based on '07 Knuckles)
Mega Man X - 36.78% (based on '07 Lloyd)
Mudkip - 29.77% (based on '07 Lloyd)

Just looking at those first two you're thinking whoa, not only will this be Mario's in a cakewalk, but Zelda might have a chance to slide by as well! And then you see how impressive MMX was also... and then heck, even Mudkip looked like a champ! In reality it seems pretty clear that all these numbers are too high- Knuckles was surely hit with some platforming LFF by Mario to weaken him from 2007, while it was rather obvious that Lloyd (like Kratos A) got stung pretty bad by having to deal with Nintendo competition here in '08. Regardless though, the gaps are large enough where the Nintendo food chain of Mario > MMX > Zelda with decent sized gaps in between shouldn't really be in question. The troubling thing is... where does Mudkip fall?

Well last season he had to compete with triple Nintendo in R1 and pulled down 28%. This year he had triple Nintendo in R1 and got... uh oh, 30%. But not to worry! Because in R2 last year he faced tougher Nintendo opponents and fell to... 25%. Crap! Considering Mudkip is apparently stronger this year, and considering that joke characters as a whole are certainly stronger this year, it doesn't seem impossible for Muddy to maintain that 24-25% he seems to like snatching up. And if THAT'S the case and Mario/Zelda keep the same ratio while X bombs and can only hang around with Zelda, then Mudkip is going to pull through easily! This is some serious trouble we're in folks... so why aren't I backing the upset? Two reasons:

1. Anti-favoriteFAQs. It shouldn't be as big a deal as it was in R1, but even so I think 95% of voters are going to consider Mario an easy choice for the win tonight and some will instead throw their vote to someone who might need it more- and I think that secondary choice will be X more often than not.

2. The pictures. Hey hey, thanks SB! Not only does Mudkip look sad and way too zoomed and not nearly as jokey-hilarious as last year, but MMX looks awesome and is sure to draw plenty of attention away from such a normal-looking Mario. But best of all, Zelda got Celda'd! I see this as strongly limiting her appeal, and the less appeal she's got the more legit votes there will be for X to eat up.

Come on fighting robot, you can do this yet! (Though I still think it could be too close for comfort!) I've stirred this pot and am bringing out...

Mario - 32.23%
Mega Man X - 25.65%
Mudkip - 24.25%
Zelda - 17.88%

Looks... dangerous! But that's my middle name.

Ngamer Says: Mario > MMX
Master Moltar | Posted 10/22/2008 8:10:37 PM | message detail
Guest’s Analysis - Ed Bellis

Match 36: hello my name is MUD

What a match we’ve got here. Mario easily gets first, of course, but who takes the silver? We’ve got two solid competitors here, one the namesake of the most popular series on the site, the other potentially equal to a Noble Nine character.

Neither of them are getting second. Mudkip will do it.

Let’s take a look at some data. Mario is, apart from Link, the king of Nintendo SFF. I’ll debunk Mega Man X having a chance here, since his is the easiest. There’s been two solid instances that indicate a fanbase overlap between Nintendo and the Mega Man X series: Mario/Zero 2005 and Legend of Zelda/Mega Man X in the Series Contest. Mega Man Classic has also clearly been shown to be a Nintendo character in trends (see Mega Man/Yoshi 2005). I don’t care how strong X is; Mario is going to make him look like crap.

Zelda is a tougher story. She held up better against Mario last round than I would have given her credit for, but I don’t think the same will be said for her this time – with three other Nintendo-related characters in the poll, she’ll be losing a good bit of support, and with stiffer competition it’ll be hard to find fans who actively care about her. That said, I think she’ll still do pretty well.

Mudkip, on the other hand, is a whole different story. Mudkip almost won when there was a huge SFF split last year between Luigi and Ganondorf. This time the SFF should be just as, if not more, pronounced – and with the way joke characters (even CATS) have been overperforming this year, it’s an upset I’d bank on.

Then Mudkip rides the SFF Train to the semifinals. You heard it here first, folks!

Hail to the ‘kip, baby.

Prediction: SO LONG, GAY BOWSIE
Mario – 35%
Zelda – 22%
Mega Man X – 18%
Mudkip – 25%



Crew Consensus: Mario > X: 5, Mario > Mukdip: ted crunkensteinsience and the AUGHs II: curse of the black pearl
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 8:13:20 PM | message detail
too many people underestimating mmx
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/22/2008 8:17:46 PM | message detail
Looking at the guest's prediction for Zelda...22%??? No way she gets that much. Especially with a crappy pic.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 8:18:07 PM | message detail
Zelda will be lucky to get 13% imo
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/22/2008 8:22:16 PM | message detail
Zelda will be lucky to get 13% imo

That's what I'm thinking. An all-Nintendo poll...with a WW pic for Zelda? Buh-bye.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2008 8:25:55 PM | message detail
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 10/22/2008 8:26:36 PM | message detail
Yeah the real question is will Mudkips fad and joke factor be enough to overtake X for 2nd? Given how Hogger bested Magus and the Companion Cube passed in their matches it could very well be a possibility.

As good as X is as well as drawing a good picture for this round, i don't think he can withstand the 4chan support that mudkip is gonna get.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 8:28:30 PM | message detail
Man woulda been awesome if Hogger actually did beat Magus, but alas he only beat Mr. No Nose

And I'm saying guys, Mario has a better chance to be ousted if Mudkipz advances then MMX. Cuz of all the Nintendo SFF, and Mega Man would take advantage of this, don't think X is any weaker
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 8:32:32 PM | message detail
Hell if anything, X would be stronger... X games sold better, reviewed better AND he looks cooler
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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2008 8:35:07 PM | message detail
Mario has a better chance to be ousted if Mudkipz advances then MMX.

If anything in this match is a lock, it's Mario advancing.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/22/2008 8:36:34 PM | message detail

ZFS (#498)
Mario has a better chance to be ousted if Mudkipz advances then MMX.

If anything in this match is a lock, it's Mario advancing.



I think mario and x both advancing is a lock, I'd be absolutely shocked if kips does anything close to advancing here. If he couldn't beat 2 SFFing mid card nintendo characters, he can't beat MMX and Mario.
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 10/22/2008 8:36:58 PM | message detail
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