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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 605

CP724 | Posted 10/21/2008 4:29:21 AM | message detail
Marth doesn't look like he would even beat Duke if Lucario wasn't there at this point.
ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/21/2008 4:41:24 AM | message detail
So if we seeded this division according to performance (1-16)... Duke would be like a 3 seed.

Whoa.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/21/2008 5:12:35 AM | message detail
Unless he beats Zack in Round 3, then he becomes the 2 seed.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/21/2008 5:13:37 AM | message detail
Which doesn't make sense because Marth beat him in Round 1.

Gotta love the fourway wackiness sometimes.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/21/2008 5:16:47 AM | message detail
Lucario is getting about the same as he did last round against Altair, though the ASV hasn't started.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 101/136 Today's Match: Lucario > Niko
Smurf FAQs | Posted 10/21/2008 5:19:02 AM | message detail
I suppose it's quite possible Niko was eating up some of Duke's votes. Perhaps uninfluenced Duke would take down Marth. It'd certainly be a close one either way.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/21/2008 5:20:51 AM | message detail
So if we seeded this division according to performance (1-16)... Duke would be like a 3 seed.

In terms of strength, but the invisible seeds probably looked something like this.


5. Wario
12. Zack Fair

4. Cecil
13. Jade Curtiss

1. Link
16. Luke

8. Shadow
9. Zidane

6. Kefka
11. Marth

3. Niko
14. Duke Nukem

7. Lucario
10. Isaac

2. Altair
15. Guybrush

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Character Battle 2008: Points 101/136 Today's Match: Lucario > Niko
MnMZero | Posted 10/21/2008 5:37:16 AM | message detail
Whoa, I went to bed immediately after the poll last night. Didn't realize Altair was already on his way to catching Marth after the 15 min mark.

As for Duke? As I said, XBLA boost confirmed! And now to spew even more ridiculousness, how about Duke will suffer next round due to DN64 - OoT SFF????!!! Zack all the way!!! (For my bracket's sake ;_;)

And jeeze, does Lucario suck or what? Next Mewtwo my ass. Imagine what he'd look like if he didn't have Brawl. This confirms a lot of things. Gen 1 Pokemon >> the rest, and Mudkip is much more fad power than Pokemon power. We need to get Charizard in this contest pronto.
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smitelf | Posted 10/21/2008 5:48:10 AM | message detail
*wakes up*

Woah Marth, quite the nasty fall you took overnight. And Altair looks better. And Duke looks O_o
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/21/2008 5:55:10 AM | message detail
You can chalk some of this up to the wackiness format, but you can't discount how damn much Duke just owns this picture. Even if you replaced Altair and Lucario with Niko and Kefka again, give Marth and Duke the same pictures and I think Duke has a good shot.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/21/2008 7:09:19 AM | message detail
Daaaaaamn Duke. Looks like he locked up the win overnight. Marth also fell a lot harder than I expected, and couldn't even go up with the morning vote thanks to Lucario.

Wow Duke...just wow
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Marth/Duke/Altair/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Niko - Vote: Lucario (103/136)
GrapefruitKing | Posted 10/21/2008 7:10:53 AM | message detail
Duke > Link next round IMO
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/21/2008 7:55:03 AM | message detail
Duke > Link next round IMO

Are you kidding me?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/21/2008 7:55:53 AM | message detail
Of course, he meant Duke > Zack
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/21/2008 7:57:46 AM | message detail
Of course, he meant Duke > Zack

Now you've done it! *blasts the n00b Avenger with Thoron and flees*
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/21/2008 8:12:27 AM | message detail
Damn, Lucario....You suck. I don't know what the nominators were thinking when they nominated you for this contest, but now that you're a flop and proven fodder, you don't deserve to make another contest.
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 10/21/2008 8:14:32 AM | message detail
Zack > Duke next round; Fairy Boy stands no chance.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/21/2008 8:16:04 AM | message detail
Zack > Duke next round; Fairy Boy stands no chance.

How delusional can we be? *Thoron*
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 8:22:19 AM | message detail
I guess how Altair and Marth are doing now should show people to never to trust the first update xD
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/21/2008 8:27:48 AM | message detail
I think I've learned never to trust the first 180 updates when a CT character is involved. But as for next round, Link and Zack may both exceed their percentages from yesterday, as neither will be LFF'd next round, and Duke and Altair look to be weaker than (or at least about the same level as) Wario and Zidane, given that Marth would probably win this one if Lucario weren't here.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/21/2008 8:28:27 AM | message detail
I guess how Altair and Marth are doing now should show people to never to trust the first update xD

True. Also, people need to stop judging character strength based on only one performance. After all, dismissing Marth based on the fact that he lost to DK last year wasn't that smart, now was it?
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2008 8:35:38 AM | message detail
I think Marth was given much more credit than Duke, and Marth got third in his match as opposed to Duke winning a match (not to mention one of his opponents last year was another FE swordsman).
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 10/21/2008 8:39:52 AM | message detail
Link 55%
Zack 18%
Duke 15%
Altair 12%

That's my prediction for the next round. 3 characters who really won't enjoy the sprite round.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 8:40:22 AM | message detail
Most people predicted Marth to be first last round... if anything nobody gave Duke a chance.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 8:41:14 AM | message detail

Smurf FAQs (#273)
Link 55%
Zack 18%
Duke 15%
Altair 12%

That's my prediction for the next round. 3 characters who really won't enjoy the sprite round.



Altair gets his first appearance, and Duke gets this: http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/the-original-duke-nukem-side-scrolling-platformer-by-apogee.jpg

I think Altair > Duke next round
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2008 9:02:19 AM | message detail
The match is half-way over and the percentages could still change quite a bit...but if we assume Marth should be winning today like last last round by as little as one vote if Lucario was replaced with somebody else weak, today insinuates Marth would be taking over 11% of Lucario's current 14.67%. Marth would probably be taking more than 12% of Lucario's if he wanted to beat Duke like he did last round, too.

I don't know if that means much, but it's interesting.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 9:03:25 AM | message detail
I think its obvious that Duke and Niko were LFFing... cuz Duke IS stronger then marth, cuz Marth isn't losing by 11% just cuz of lucario having 14% here.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 10/21/2008 9:07:22 AM | message detail
Oh wow, I knew Marth's overnight fall was going to be bad, but I never thought it would be THAT bad.

Well I guess we can close the book on that Marth vs Ike debate now, eh?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 9:09:51 AM | message detail
Marth would be better if you could see her boobs in the pic.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/21/2008 9:26:28 AM | message detail
Man, it looks like Lucario is slaughtering Prince Marth here, considering we had Marth > Duke by a nontrivial margin last round. Live by Smash, die by Smash, I guess. Probably a good thing that he's not going to face Link.
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BDawg | Posted 10/21/2008 9:42:33 AM | message detail
Well, the Duke/Gordon/Ike combo have represented themselves fairly well this year. Who knows Gordon might even manage the switcheroo with Scorpion this round and sneak past Falco.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2008 9:51:38 AM | message detail
I would have enjoyed seeing Link/Marth, myself!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 9:51:41 AM | message detail
Looks like Altair will hit 30% once the asv comes.
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hailEC | Posted 10/21/2008 9:51:55 AM | message detail
So ready for some Link > Duke next round aww yeah.

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Shast One | Posted 10/21/2008 10:13:21 AM | message detail
LOOKS LIKE DUKE IS ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM

ALWAYS BET ON DUKE
MnMZero | Posted 10/21/2008 10:27:00 AM | message detail
I think its obvious that Duke and Niko were LFFing... cuz Duke IS stronger then marth, cuz Marth isn't losing by 11% just cuz of lucario having 14% here.

No seriously, XBLA boost!!! Besides, if Niko and Duke are LFFing, Altair would be doing the same thing to Duke...
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2008 10:31:09 AM | message detail
So...just to double-check on the topic-consensus:

Niko VS Altair, who you got?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 10:32:04 AM | message detail

HaRRicH (#287)
So...just to double-check on the topic-consensus:

Niko VS Altair, who you got?



Altair fo sho
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/21/2008 10:33:20 AM | message detail
HaRRicH (#287)
So...just to double-check on the topic-consensus:

Niko VS Altair, who you got?



Altair fo sho


Gotta go with Altair.

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MnMZero | Posted 10/21/2008 10:35:32 AM | message detail
Altair easily. His character design is just that much more likable, regardless of how good a character you think Niko is.
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voltch | Posted 10/21/2008 10:40:31 AM | message detail
Altair in a flash.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 10:41:25 AM | message detail
Seeing as how Niko struggled with Kefka doesn't give me alot of faith in the guy. Altair might not be a juggernaut, but seeing these 2 performances makes me think he doesn't struggle with Kefka.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2008 10:48:20 AM | message detail
Right, right. I had to ask though, because Duke's beating Altair by 3.39% right now...whereas Duke beat Niko by 3.7% last round. The percentages are different as are the opponents and pics, not to mention the ASV hasn't come yet...but don't let Niko be forgotten so easily.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 10:49:37 AM | message detail
Altair is also beating a guy handidly who beat Niko by like 7%...
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Tohoya | Posted 10/21/2008 10:49:55 AM | message detail
Haven't read over this topic, but it seems like Brawl is mattering more than a lot of us have given us credit for. Marth shouldn't be so far down from Lucario LFF if he gets the overwhelming majority of his strength from Melee.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2008 10:50:22 AM | message detail
...while he's sandbagged.

Not Sandbag'd, per say, but is sandbagged.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/21/2008 11:12:03 AM | message detail
Haven't read over this topic, but it seems like Brawl is mattering more than a lot of us have given us credit for. Marth shouldn't be so far down from Lucario LFF if he gets the overwhelming majority of his strength from Melee.

Flawed logic. Nintendo is Nintendo - and it doesn't hurt that it's always been the most severe form of SFF out there.
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vcharon | Posted 10/21/2008 11:15:55 AM | message detail
Lucario is a pokemon... I don't think you're giving it the credit it deserves. It's one of the most popular Nintendo series; it's sold more copies than that other series, you know, SSB.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/21/2008 11:25:09 AM | message detail
asv starts, and altair cuts duke 21

lets do this
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Shast One | Posted 10/21/2008 11:30:38 AM | message detail
Lucario is correlated much more to Smash Bros than Pokemon. Same with Marth, Ike.. when hearing such names, people think "Smash Bros" first.

I knew Marth and Lucario were going to suffer this round due to split Smash Bros votes, but wow, I thought at least one of them would advance. I like it this way though, good to see old school characters like Duke chugging along. ALWAYS BET ON DUKE
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